swalifebtw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
This is only for fun. I know WN will most likely never change it's livery anytime soon, but could anyone come up with some hybrid or combined livery for the new improved WN/FL. Maybe a whole new livery for WN. Like what UA/CO has done...Any thoughts?
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3028 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4991 times:
Fun thought, but WN is not having a merger of equals with much smaller AirTran, rather a buyout. Any livery cahnge would require repainting or tat least touch ups on 550 active WN aircraft. That's vs. 52 AirTran 73Gs and 86 717s that may not be long for the combined fleet.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4608 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4923 times:
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 1): That's vs. 52 AirTran 73Gs and 86 717s that may not be long for the combined fleet.
Southwest indicated in the Q & A in the press release (google it at Washington Business Journal) that they are planning to keep the 717's, which they think will be useful for serving smaller markets than they typically serve (read many of the AirTran spoke stations).
Unless someone has information from the company, I see no reason why WN would change their paint scheme. As noted above, this is a buyout. WN's brand also has stronger market power.
But on the 717's: as some have argued in the other threads, the 717's would look best in WN's livery if the "Southwest" title is placed on the fuselage above the windows forward, like was done on the 727's. The shorter 717 tail doesn't have enough vertical space for the nine-letter word in nice big letters like on the 737 tail.
elbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4235 times:
I would expect the 717s will allow for an expedited retirement of the 500s so I doubt they'll put much into referbs on them, and that includes winglets. As for for the 717s themselves, they've never been developed because they would offer very little benefit for the added cost and weight. The 717 wing (virtually identical to the DC9) is very efficient on its own and doesn't really need them. Same goes for the MD80/90
SXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2745 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4139 times:
Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 3): Does anyone think that WN might put winglets on their -500
The -500s wont get winglets. For the flights WN operates them on it negates the benifits of having them installed. IMHO the 717s will help accelerate the retirement of the oldest 737-300s and the 737-500's.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1167 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3979 times:
Hey: I just installed a disco ball yesterday............The 500's are younger then the early fleet. The early 300's will go first. Period. Not an opinion, just truth. The 717 will stay for a while I think. There are alot of Douglas mechs. here believe it or not. I have been with WN for 10+ yrs. but most of my 30 years of experience is with DC8's and DC9's and FA18's. I, as well as many others understand the brand!!!!!!!!
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3565 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3917 times:
Quoting 737tdi (Reply 7): The 500's are younger then the early fleet. The early 300's will go first. Period. Not an opinion, just truth
right, but the 500 isn't on any upgrade list as far as I know. They will certainly last longer than some 300's, but go before all the 300s are gone. Guessing by the winglet upgrade plans, it sounds like they were going to be going before the 300 fleet is 1/2 gone. With the merger who knows as they certainly have a huge pile of work ahead on the route map and equipment upgrades/sales/purchace/etc.
BooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3898 times:
You have to remember, winglets only benefit an aircraft at full speed and altitude; their weight can be penalizing on flights under 300-400 miles. That's why they keep the -500's on routes with short flights. For example, DAL-LBB-ABQ-LAS-LAX.