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Would You Like To Fly On An Ilyushin 86?  
User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8086 posts, RR: 54
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

Just got back from an epic trip to Moscow to score a round trip to Antalya (Turkey) on the last remaining Ilyushin Il-86s, operated this summer by Donavia and Atlant-Soyuz from various Moscow airports, carrying Russian package tourists. We basically bought a one-night package holiday from Tez Tours, gigantic (and very helpful) Russian tour operator. Return flights (we got them to book us different airlines, D9 out, 7B back) and one night hotel cost about $350 if memory serves.

These were my first rides on the Il-86, and turned out to be two of the best flights I've ever taken. Flies like she's on rails, or like a big fish in the deep ocean, with 350 seats in a really old fashioned cabin with wood trim, no centre overhead lockers, old galleys (with lifts to downstairs galleys, which we were allowed to visit in flight) etc. I would recommend the experience to anyone, especially since the type will be withdrawn forever on Oct 1.

I was thinking, Tez Tours should operate a one hour sightseeing flight from Antalya on Oct 1 for enthusiasts. Turkey is easy to get to and there are no visa requirements for most nationals (unlike Russia). My buddies at Airevents, who used to organise a lot of these kind of trips (and are doing the MD90 retirement flight in Jan with Hello) think it would attract 20 people. I was wondering if you guys could give me some idea if it is something you'd like to do, for, say $200 plus the cost of getting to AYT? Or are Airevents right, and it's not that interesting? Once she's gone, she's gone, and if a retirement joyride would put the type in lots of log books and see her off in style, it would be worth me making the case to Tez Tours.

Also, if anyone wants to book a trip on an A-to-B flight, IM me and I'll send you the email for Tez Tours.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12130 times:

Hey C... if the thing is withdrawn 1 oct 2010 it's pretty late... It should take about 4 months to have people consider, plan, save, take time off etc.
You can count me in.... but basically it would attract partially the same crowd which went to the Il-18 flights, about 40 people.
My educated guess is renting it for an hour flight will cost about 30.000 euro.
Then count in price elasticity; maybe 100 people would come if it's 200 euro and after a lot of publicity. So I am more optimistic then Airevents but not enough to make it work. Many people 'had' the Il-86 already because it was so far possible to get it in Russia.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinegpbcroppers63 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
if the thing is withdrawn 1 oct 2010 it's pretty late...

Ummmmm.........if it's 1st October 2010, that was last Friday. Or am I missing something?  



According to one of my colleagues, my problem is that I'm addicted to travel!
User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11978 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
I would recommend the experience to anyone, especially since the type will be withdrawn forever on Oct 1.

Could you give me a source please. I've seen these kind of statements many times before and turned out to be false rumours.

It's the same every year, and Turkey most likely will grant next year again the ILW landing permission.



Всяк глядит, да не всяк видит.
User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11912 times:

O, I undersstand you, CedarJet. I am a life time fan of IL-86.
It's quite an airplane! After more than 150 flights on it since 1981 I still love it.
And though I carried on my love to IL-96 - the beast is still in my heart.

Noisy and rattling in the aft - I agree.
But I would say that 747-200 and 300 have as much noise in the back of the aircraft.

Could talk about IL-86 without end. Will not take your time, guys.
I just hope that it will take a good stand at one of MOW airports.
Like TU-104 in Vnukovo, TU-114 at DME and IL-18 at SVO.
This airplane saved the Russian aviation in the 90ies - and until recently.


User currently offlineMD11Bob From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11823 times:

I am a bit confused about the dates

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
Posted Mon Oct 4 2010 15:39:15 your local time
Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
since the type will be withdrawn forever on Oct 1.

but I (and at least one more friend of mine) would for sure be on this flight if it would take place with the conditions you named:

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
I was wondering if you guys could give me some idea if it is something you'd like to do, for, say $200 plus the cost of getting to AYT?

I am sure there will be more then just 20 people who would be interested in that, considering the bookings on similar trips in the past. And Turkey would really be way more convenient to most people then going to Russia or Ukraine or whatsoever.

Robert


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11786 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 3):
It's the same every year, and Turkey most likely will grant next year again the ILW landing permission.

I am afraid there will be no need next season.
By the time Atlant-Soyuz will get more 737-800.
I don't know about DON.
But I see no reason for RUS authorities to push here next year.

We should be strong and stand it - ILW is leaving....      


User currently offlineteahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11770 times:

Schedule the flight on a weekend and I would definitely be on it. I know at least two other people who would too.


Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8086 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11483 times:

Sorry, Oct 31. Last day of Oct, not first. D'oh.

I know every summer is the last but most of the crew seemed to think this is really it. I will probably make a proposal to Tez Tours who charter the planes.

Any more Il-86 ideas or memories?



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 690 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11294 times:

wow.... sounds like you had a fantastic time...

could you PM me the details, I'd love a chance to fly on the IL86 before she's finally retired...?

As for an "airevents" style trip,...think that may be pushing it a bit, ...such a lot of organisation required..i'm sure..?

And as pylon101 says, 7B are hell bent on B737 acquisition, so really can't see the 86 in service next year.

Best of luck tho.

You lucky lucky sod.

rgds


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11253 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 6):
I am afraid there will be no need next season.
By the time Atlant-Soyuz will get more 737-800.
I don't know about DON.
But I see no reason for RUS authorities to push here next year.

We should be strong and stand it - ILW is leaving....      

Yes, indeed, I did some research and Atlant Soyuz has on its website standing an announcement standing their 5 ILW are for sale. http://www.atlant-soyuz.ru/announcement/

A sad moment.



Всяк глядит, да не всяк видит.
User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11154 times:

OMG!
86139 has just 17,158 hours/5,300 cicles.
Yes, I said we should stand - but it is hard.

Stories....ooof .....I had a lot of stories related to ILW.
I told about most dramatic one here 2-3 years ago.
I will find it.


User currently offlineMD11Bob From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10961 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
Sorry, Oct 31. Last day of Oct, not first. D'oh.

I know every summer is the last but most of the crew seemed to think this is really it. I will probably make a proposal to Tez Tours who charter the planes.

Ouch, now that really is short term. I don´t think that this is gonna work but anyhow I hope it does. Maybe there could be some support from the airline or their employees as well? I am sure some of them will also miss their old planes once they are gone...


User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10675 times:

Just so I understand, is this a mandatory retirement by the Russian government for ALL operators, or is it voluntary?

User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1008 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10639 times:

sadly, too short notice! If it was next year April/May, I would be in!

Cheers
micha


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting crownvic (Reply 13):
is this a mandatory retirement by the Russian government for ALL operators, or is it voluntary?

No. There are no Russian authorities restrictions related to IL-86. There were Turkish restrictions with exceptions.
I guess it's all economics.
If domestic companies can make IL-96 flying - why would they keep IL-86?

I still didn't get a understanding of options for "The Last Crusade".
But I would sign up.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

Make it on a Saturday and I'm in.
Soren   



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8438 times:

Depending on time and location I may be in


Всяк глядит, да не всяк видит.
User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Had CedarJet raised this a few months ago we could think of a kind of A.Net conference in Antalya in October.
Actually Russian visas are no big issue.
So we all could fly on IL-86 from Vnukovo to Antalya, spend 3 days there and come back.
It would be fun.
Why not?
If flightsimmers (well, I am one of them, I should confess) arrange AVSIM conferences every year - maybe the time has come to organize A.Net conference?
We could use any interesting occasion.
I would love to meet as many a.netters as possible.


User currently offlineDxer1974 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6721 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 15):
There were Turkish restrictions with exceptions.

That makes sense why the Russian carrier Nordwind is taking deliveries of B757-200's and B767-300's. I guess the B757/767's are a good replacement for the IL-86. Would have loved to fly on one once.



"That's the thing about the 707, it can do everything but read it" Joe Patroni
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6646 times:
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Have flown on the IL-86, and would love to again, though I doubt I'll get the chance.


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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

on't know much about the IL 86, but I sure would love to fly on an IL-96. Saw one at Tashkent and its a damn fine looking plane.

User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Thank God we have time for IL-96. Aeroflot has enough IL-96s.

Anyway I would support any idea of A.Net get-together.
It should be financially bearable for as many of our friends as possible.
Unlike flightsim industry we don't have products to sell or buy.
We are just a community of enthusiasts and professionals.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8086 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

I will contact Tez Tours tomorrow and see about (a) a one hour flight for enthusiasts from and returning to Antalya, and / or (b) tailor-made trips like the one I did last week, Moscow to Antalya by Il-86, airport hotel (where you will see lots of Tu-154s and even Yak-42s, as well as every 737 and A320 flying for airlines you've never heard of), then back to Moscow by Il-86. That involves a Russian transit visa, which I found reasonably easy to arrange, £130-odd for 24 hour turnaround. Option (a) would be the most inclusive, but (b) doesn't depend on a certain number of seats sold - those flights will operate anyway.

And I'll let you know how I get on. Meanwhile, more Il-86 memories please, either way, she'll be gone forever just a few weeks from now - let's celebrate this great machine.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

130 GBP for 24 hours? Quite a lot. This visa reciprocity policy sucks!
And a week long visa?
I would still recommend to spend a couple of days there.

But I would support any option arranged by CedarJet.


25 Severnaya : For EU nationals (except UK) it's 35 euros, tourist one (transit, single or double entry), length doesn't matter but is of course up to max 90 days.
26 MEA-707 : I think trying to get people to Russia is the only thing which might work within 4 weeks, you will probably find 10-20 people at the max. If the visa
27 petertenthije : Quite easy. But it takes about 2 or 3 weeks. Also, you will need a written and signed/stamped letter from your medical insurance (preferably include
28 Loran : I flew on 86125 about 4 weeks ago and I was very impressed by its condition, it was also in excellent shape. Much better than 86109, which I flew twi
29 pylon101 : But IL-62M we lost some time ago. And it was used on Far East routes. So it wouldn't be that easy.
30 aviasian : I would certainly love to experience a flight on an Ilyushin IL-86 ... somehow Russian airliners offer a cabin-scape that no Western airliners today c
31 TUGMASTER : Hello all, Cedarjet is doing a remarkable job here of trying to organise an IL86 trip...but it's going to be difficult with only 4 weeks left until th
32 Post contains images Severnaya : 86125 only has 13,434 hours with 4268 cycles Once again, this is only for UK nationals......for EU nationals (except UK & ireland) it's easier an
33 Post contains links UK_Dispatcher : Flew the beast from Ekaterinburg to Antalya last year. Amazing aircraft: Ilyushin IL-86 Ural Airlines SVX-AYT (+pics/vids) (by UK_Dispatcher Jan 28 2
34 Post contains images United_fan : I would love to fly on an IL86 or 96. I remember reading a story a few years back about some Russuin airline that was going fly one of these planes to
35 MEA-707 : OK my Il-86 memories here... In 1996 I bought an Aeroflot Amsterdam-Bangkok roundtrip for 1250 guilders, about 567 euro's. I would travel for about 24
36 Post contains images pylon101 : RIA was confusing for them as RIA abbreviation relates to Russian Information Agency only. These days it's RIA-Novosti, former TASS. I would say ther
37 pylon101 : And here is another story related to my IL-86 experience. I posted it in January - but the story is worth of being re-posted again. __________________
38 Post contains images hal9213 : I would join in, depending on having time, though. Always wanted to fly an old Ruski, never got the chance...
39 pylon101 : To arrange thing like that - for the very first tine! - is quite a task. I think we should be grateful to CedarJet for trying.
40 Severnaya : Thanks for sharing these great stories! Certainly!
41 MD11Bob : I guess there are no news regarding any AYT trips in the meanwhile? What I was wondering as well: as far as I have understood, the Oct31st deadline is
42 Post contains links and images Superfly : Technically I've been 'on' an IL-86. I've also flown on an IL-96 that had old IL-86 interior. Does that count? Thanks to my friend Tu204 for arranging
43 Aerosol : I am definitely interested... Bin on some enthusiasts flights and it was always fun.
44 Post contains images Birdwatching : Can we please get an update on this? The proposed date is like 2 weeks from now. Soren
45 pylon101 : Sure IL-86 will remain airworthy in Russia. The problem might be that it doesn't fly on domestic routes and only very few airlines keep it in their fl
46 Superfly : I got that information 2nd. hand but it made sense. The IL-96 I flew on was only 10 years old at the time but the seats looked to be at least 20 year
47 pylon101 : I actually have no idea about IL-96 Aeroflot interior. Guys, please enlighten us on the matter.
48 TUGMASTER : The plans being looked into..... The "contact" in Russia is looking into the option of a IL86 being chartered at AYT on an extended turnaround. Also,
49 Superfly : There are plenty of photos in the database. The photos I posted above aren't database quality and is the interior prior to their upgrade sometime in
50 pylon101 : I guess, Aeroflot interiors of their IL-96 are about the same. Probably they changed color of seat upholstery. Actually those seats are not bad. In 19
51 Superfly : I do like the fold forward feature of the seats on the Russian aircraft. The Cubana IL-62 seats I flew on were very comfortable. These were the seats
52 Post contains images MD11Bob : Yes, but maybe those few weeks or months will make a difference since I guess the proceeding time is the most limiting factor on the AYT sightseeing
53 pylon101 : I will support any plan. In Antalya we could spend some more time together - hotel rates are low. Weather is wonderful. But there advatages in Moscow:
54 Post contains images Birdwatching : Actually, it happens all the time, almost every weekend. There is a very traditional yearly to twice-yearly Zurich meet, then they meet at Manchester
55 cedarjet : I have had a reply from our lovely friend in Moscow, who says her colleagues do not share her - and our - enthusiasm for the Il-86, so a sightseeing f
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