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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3074 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20224 times:
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Sorry JM079, will do you request in the next thread....

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For this the 33rd edition, we will feature Canadian Low Cost Carrier Westjet, who will connect The Western Coast of Canada to Montego Bay for the winter season..



Founded in 1996 by Clive Beddoe, Mark Hill, Tim Morgan, and Donald Bell, WestJet tried to follow the same path as Southwest Airlines and Morris Air, as a low-cost carrier. Originally meant to be a western Canada operation, WestJet soon became one of the fastest growing airlines in the world. On February 29, 1996 the first WestJet flight (a Boeing 737) departed. At that time, the airline served Calgary (the airline's hub), Edmonton, Kelowna, Vancouver, and Winnipeg with a fleet of three Boeing 737-200 aircraft and two-hunded and twenty employees. By the end of that same year, they had included Regina, Saskatoon, and Victoria.

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WestJet strives to offer guests a friendly, efficient and relaxing experience from time of booking to final destination. Guests now have a variety of innovative options to make their travels as smooth as possible. WestJet’s check-in choices include web check-in; mobile check-in, self serve check-in kiosks at most airports or traditional counter check-in. Some of WestJet’s airports have also adopted the cost-effective and space-saving flow-through check-in. WestJet was the first airline in North America to launch the electronic boarding pass which is accepted at all Canadian destinations.
WestJet’s fleet of Boeing Next-Generation 737 aircraft are equipped with increased legroom, leather seats and live seatback television provided by Bell TV. Guests can also enjoy all the comforts of WestJet lounges. These third-party
owned and operated lounges are now open at our airports in Toronto, Calgary, Winnipeg and Vancouver. WestJet lounges offer guests a quiet place to work or relax before their flight. westjetlounges.com.

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WestJet operates the most modern fleet in North America, of any large commercial airline, comprised of 88 Boeing Next-Generation 737 aircraft equipped with more legroom, leather seats and live seatback television. WestJet's fleet includes the Boeing Next-Generation 737-600, 737-700 and 737-800.

Both the 737-700 and 737-800 series aircraft are all equipped with blended winglets. Blended Winglet Technology by Aviation Partners Boeing improves the aerodynamic performance and handling characteristics of the 737 while boosting range and reducing fuel burn by up to four per cent.
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Destinations.



Caribbean
Bahamas
Freeport - Grand Bahama International Airport seasonal
Nassau - Lynden Pindling International Airport
Barbados
Bridgetown - Grantley Adams International Airport
Cayman Islands
Georgetown - Owen Roberts International Airport seasonal [begins November 4]

Cuba
Cayo Coco - Jardines del Rey Airport
Holguín - Frank País Airport seasonal
Santa Clara - Abel Santamaría Airport seasonal [begins November 5]
Varadero - Juan Gualberto Gómez Airport

Dominican Republic
La Romana - La Romana International Airport seasonal
Puerto Plata - Gregorio Luperón International Airport
Punta Cana - Punta Cana International Airport
Samaná - Samaná El Catey International Airport

Jamaica
Montego Bay - Sir Donald Sangster International Airport
Netherlands Antilles
Saint Martin - Princess Juliana International Airport
Saint Lucia
Vieux-Fort - Hewanorra International Airport
Turks and Caicos Islands
Providenciales - Providenciales International Airport

North America
Bermuda
Hamilton - L.F. Wade International Airport

Canada
Alberta
Calgary - Calgary International Airport Hub
Edmonton - Edmonton International Airport Focus City
Fort McMurray - Fort McMurray Airport
Grande Prairie - Grande Prairie Airport
British Columbia
Abbotsford - Abbotsford International Airport
Comox - Comox Airport
Kamloops - Kamloops Airport
Kelowna - Kelowna International Airport
Prince George - Prince George Airport
Vancouver - Vancouver International Airport Focus City
Victoria - Victoria International Airport
Manitoba
Winnipeg - Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport Focus City
New Brunswick
Moncton - Greater Moncton International Airport
Saint John - Saint John Airport seasonal
Newfoundland and Labrador
Deer Lake - Deer Lake Airport seasonal
St. John's - St. John's International Airport
Northwest Territories
Yellowknife - Yellowknife Airport
Nova Scotia
Halifax - Halifax International Airport Focus City
Sydney - J. A. Douglas McCurdy Sydney Airport seasonal
Ontario
Hamilton - Hamilton/John C. Munro International Airport
Kitchener-Waterloo - Region of Waterloo International Airport
London - London International Airport
Ottawa - Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport
Thunder Bay - Thunder Bay International Airport
Toronto - Toronto Pearson International Airport Hub
Windsor - Windsor Airport seasonal
Prince Edward Island
Charlottetown - Charlottetown Airport
Quebec
Montreal - Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport Focus City
Quebec City - Québec/Jean Lesage International Airport
Saskatchewan
Regina - Regina International Airport
Saskatoon - Saskatoon/John G. Diefenbaker International Airport

Mexico
Cancún - Cancún International Airport
Cozumel - Cozumel International Airport seasonal
Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo - Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo International Airport seasonal
Mazatlán - General Rafael Buelna International Airport
Puerto Vallarta - Lic. Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport
San José del Cabo - Los Cabos International Airport

United States
Fort Lauderdale - Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport
Fort Myers - Southwest Florida International Airport
Honolulu - Honolulu International Airport
Kahului - Kahului Airport
Kona - Kona International Airport seasonal
Kauai - Lihue Airport seasonal
Las Vegas - McCarran International Airport
Los Angeles - Los Angeles International Airport
Miami - Miami International Airport
Newark - Newark Liberty International Airport seasonal
New Orleans - Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport seasonal [begins November 1]
Orlando - Orlando International Airport
Palm Springs - Palm Springs International Airport
Phoenix - Sky Harbor International Airport
San Diego - San Diego International Airport
San Francisco - San Francisco International Airport seasonal
Tampa - Tampa International Airport



WS started MBJ services in Dec 2007 from YYZ with a thrice weekly service..The following year, seasonal service from YUL was added..In 2009, seasonal service from YOW was added...In 2010, they announced their largest expansion to MBJ connecting YVR,YYC,YEG,YWG,YQR and YXE...
Toronto is now year round with increased services for the winter...YUL and YOW continues to operate during the winter season..

Further updates on local avaition can be found in the old thread....

Ark-Vliegen..Jamaican Thread 32... (by hummingbird Aug 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20275 times:

Good effort in getting another thread up and running.   

On the matter of WS 's increased service to MBJ for the upcoming season, what are the frequencies for the new routes? Presumably YYZ will be daily, with extra flights on weekends. What about the other destinations?



Cleared for takeoff!
User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20241 times:

Great photos there of WS for the theme of the 33rd thread.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
WS started MBJ services in Dec 2007 from YYZ with a thrice weekly service..The following year, seasonal service from YUL was added..In 2009, seasonal service from YOW was added...In 2010, they announced their largest expansion to MBJ connecting YVR,YYC,YEG,YWG,YQR and YXE...
Toronto is now year round with increased services for the winter...YUL and YOW continues to operate during the winter season..

All this time I thought they started services to Jamaica earlier than 2007. I clearly remember reading an article shortly after they started flying here where their CEO stated that they were keenly observing the performance of their new MBJ route and would go year round if it did well. Obviously it did. Good to see how their operations to MBJ have grown over the years.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Destinations.

That route map seem to be very out dated though as many of their current destinations are missing from it.



greenheart
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20168 times:

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 1):
Good effort in getting another thread up and running.

Yes, good effort again hummingbird. One thing I noticed but am not sure about, AUA is not listed in your WS list but do they still operate to AUA? Even so, excellent work.

Getting back to the previous thread, thanks for all the clarifications on the Caribbean Airlines and government involved explanations. This is also what I said, the governments of these countries just need to sit together and work out their respective air service agreements. Interesting point indeed is whether some of these countries (thereby I mean the islands of course) will grant Caribbean Airlines national carrier status seeing that they seem to prefer to subsidize the major airlines from the U.S. in this case. And as said, this is a job for the governments to tackle, not Caribbean Airlines or any other airline for that matter.

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 20143 times:

Ahhh....Westjet.....what a conundrum of a successful carrier.

You know, in Calgary, it is rumored that WS only fly to cities in the Caribbean where the chairman's yacht can dock? 



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20085 times:
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Quoting LimaMike (Reply 1):
Good effort in getting another thread up and running.

Thanks..

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 1):
On the matter of WS 's increased service to MBJ for the upcoming season, what are the frequencies for the new routes? Presumably YYZ will be daily, with extra flights on weekends. What about the other destinations?

This will be their winter schedule..

YYZ
10:25 14:34 WS2702 Daily
15:00 19:09 WS2660 Tues and Sat

YOW
08:50 13:22 WS2810 Sat, Mon and Fri.

YWG
07:30 13:40 WS2436 Sat
08:00 14:10 WS2432 Wed

YQR
23:50 06:15 WS2420 Wed

YXE
23:30 06:15 WS2422 Sun

YVR
07:00 16:44 WS2120 Tues

YUL
08:00 12:38 WS2832 Mon and Fri

YEG
10:30 18:40 WS2220 Fri

YYC
07:00 15:06 WS2230 Sat


Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
Great photos there of WS for the theme of the 33rd thread.

Thanks.....You know I will be heading south of KIN for the next thread.....lol

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
All this time I thought they started services to Jamaica earlier than 2007. I clearly remember reading an article shortly after they started flying here where their CEO stated that they were keenly observing the performance of their new MBJ route and would go year round if it did well. Obviously it did. Good to see how their operations to MBJ have grown over the years

I realise most carriers are now focusing on leisure market for their expansion..With the expected new B737 deliveries, I expect they will serve MBJ from more Canadian cities...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
That route map seem to be very out dated though as many of their current destinations are missing from it

My bad, I was not able to download their current route map...

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
Yes, good effort again hummingbird. One thing I noticed but am not sure about, AUA is not listed in your WS list but do they still operate to AUA? Even so, excellent work.

Thanks..They no longer operate services to Aruba..

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
Getting back to the previous thread, thanks for all the clarifications on the Caribbean Airlines and government involved explanations. This is also what I said, the governments of these countries just need to sit together and work out their respective air service agreements. Interesting point indeed is whether some of these countries (thereby I mean the islands of course) will grant Caribbean Airlines national carrier status seeing that they seem to prefer to subsidize the major airlines from the U.S. in this case. And as said, this is a job for the governments to tackle, not Caribbean Airlines or any other airline for that matter.

From what I am seeing, the Govts of most Caribbean islands have put more faith in using US based carriers to expand their tourism market..It may seemed like a biased statment, but our regional carrier lack the network and alliances to grow any market..For, e.g. JM was the number carrier of tourists to Jamaica, where is JM now?...When JM pulled their GND services, their Governement was proactive in getting DL to start their service earlier than planned..They have openly stated their commitment to DL on the route...Govts in the region are looking at long term commitments...If CAL were to have an alliance/ codesahre with a US carrier, they would be in a better position to maintainin arrivals to several regional destinations..

http://www.spicegrenada.com/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=2397
:delta-is-here-to-stay&catid=537:july-
10th-2010&Itemid=143

http://www.spicegrenada.com/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=2285
:welcomed-airlift-news-for-
grenada&catid=515:jun-2010&Itemid=60



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20076 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 233):
But as Guyanam, rightly points out point, do you see BGI, UVF and even GND going over board to engage JM/CAL?
So far all these islands have been throwing so many incentives at the American carriers. ANU, to my annoyance proudly state that CAL new service is not being subsides or even given a revenue guarantee.
Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
Interesting point indeed is whether some of these countries (thereby I mean the islands of course) will grant Caribbean Airlines national carrier status seeing that they seem to prefer to subsidize the major airlines from the U.S. in this case.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
From what I am seeing, the Govts of most Caribbean islands have put more faith in using US based carriers to expand their tourism market..It may seemed like a biased statment, but our regional carrier lack the network and alliances to grow any market..For, e.g. JM was the number carrier of tourists to Jamaica, where is JM now?...When JM pulled their GND services, their Governement was proactive in getting DL to start their service earlier than planned..They have openly stated their commitment to DL on the route...Govts in the region are looking at long term commitments...If CAL were to have an alliance/ codesahre with a US carrier, they would be in a better position to maintainin arrivals to several regional destinations..

It will be quite interesting to see the final outcome of all this after the '' dust has been settled '' so to speak , where this subject is concerned. Naturally one of the reasons these islands are quick to engage the larger network carriers is their sheer size and connectivity through their large hubs. This was ( is ) also quite a topical issue where subsidized carriers to Jamaica is concerned, especially with regards to JM operations when it was fully GOJ owned. Where BGI is concerned, as mentioned previously it will be Airone's home base, and they too have applied to the US DOT. Will they get more favorable consideration out of that island where national carrier status is concerned and also with the US DOT at this time as well ? Only time will tell, but in any case I fully agree that the Governments of these respective islands will have to iron out those issues and not the airline ( s ).

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
One thing I noticed but am not sure about, AUA is not listed in your WS list but do they still operate to AUA?
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
They no longer operate services to Aruba..

This I found very surprising. Is it that AUA is not as popular with Canadian leisure travelers as is the case with the Americans ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
This will be their winter schedule..
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
I realise most carriers are now focusing on leisure market for their expansion..With the expected new B737 deliveries, I expect they will serve MBJ from more Canadian cities...

Impressive WS schedule to MBJ. I wonder if they will eventually start services to VFR cities such as KIN etc as well in the future ? B6 seem to enjoy success in both their leisure and VFR/business markets in the Caribbean.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
You know I will be heading south of KIN for the next thread.

Looking forward to that thread already.



greenheart
User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20014 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):

YYZ
10:25 14:34 WS2702 Daily
15:00 19:09 WS2660 Tues and Sat

YOW
08:50 13:22 WS2810 Sat, Mon and Fri.

YWG
07:30 13:40 WS2436 Sat
08:00 14:10 WS2432 Wed

YQR
23:50 06:15 WS2420 Wed

YXE
23:30 06:15 WS2422 Sun

YVR
07:00 16:44 WS2120 Tues

YUL
08:00 12:38 WS2832 Mon and Fri

YEG
10:30 18:40 WS2220 Fri

YYC
07:00 15:06 WS2230 Sat

Thnx for the info.
That is quite an extensive network of service planned by WS to MBJ. I notice they have covered the usual network of service operated by AC with their winter schedule, but also YXE and YQR (although AC also operated YHZ in their winter service).



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19977 times:

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 6):
This I found very surprising. Is it that AUA is not as popular with Canadian leisure travelers as is the case with the Americans ?

The U.S. market is the most important market for AUA, looking at the Canadian charters to AUA I can only guess that it isn't as important, at least not to Canadians. I remember CanJet also flew to AUA, don't know if they still do. Jazz Air will also start flying to AUA soon. As we all know they will replace most (if not all) of the former Skyservice routes to the Caribbean.

A388


User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 19939 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):

Thanks HB for highlighting Westjet this time around however I am looking forward to the next thread where we will showcase a carrier that is closer to Jamaica.

But may I remind you that Westjet does get a revenue guarantee from the GOJ.

In the last thread we posted that info in which US Airways as well as Westjet was awarded these incentives for the coming winter season.

Let us not forget that Air Canada does offer a similar schedule in which they offer flights from all the major gateways to MBJ.

This will also be the case for Air Transat Airlines as well.

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
Getting back to the previous thread,

You and I are on board with respect to that suggestion that talks should commence with these other government about harmonizing there regional service agreements.

What is obvious from all of this is - All these Islands have put in place air service agreements to service there national interest.

I highly doubt that much will come of that: None of these Island can agree on single regulatory body to regulate the aviation sector in the Caribbean and it is not for lack of trying.


BTW: Airone Venture is looking to launch service in and out of Guyana.

These Guyanese are giving support to such a move as they want to get the benefit of cheap fares as well.

Judging from this report it looks like Airone intent to compete with CAL on the POS - GEO route.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean.../20101006/business/business94.html

[Edited 2010-10-06 08:17:35]

User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19866 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 9):
You and I are on board with respect to that suggestion that talks should commence with these other government about harmonizing there regional service agreements.

What is obvious from all of this is - All these Islands have put in place air service agreements to service there national interest.

I highly doubt that much will come of that: None of these Island can agree on single regulatory body to regulate the aviation sector in the Caribbean and it is not for lack of trying.

I think it is about time someone steps to the plate and lasso them and do it. With so many good minds here one of us should do it. And it could be done.

[Edited 2010-10-06 15:51:48]

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19851 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):

Note bim jim's rant against CAL. http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/aviation/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=6404


This just about summarizes what most of these islands think of a Trini owned airline whtehr they call it BWIA or CAL. Note according to some ANU, which hands out seat guarantees, will apparently not be offering one to CAL. I can see them sniffing "why they should hand out $$$ to CAL when its only Antiguans who are going to use them and they will come home any way?" They will ignore their greater negotiating clout over CAL than they have over US carriers. And the fact that CAL is apparently willing to fly possibly riskly routes "free", at most asking for some promotional dollars, while the others all demand guarantees

Dont see any Cbn govt backing CAL for now for the reasons outlined above (US carriers' better ability to build the leisure market). Oh they arent going to turn down CAL flying these routes but to nominate them as "national carrier" I dont think this is any longer a priority with so much US capacity interested in these islands. I thought that CAL had inherited BWIA's ability to use these islands as stops enroute to the USA from POS.

StL has had lots of new capacity from the USA Jetblue and more capacity on Delta and AA. BGI has problems with its US market not connected to lack of airlift.

If US carriers lose interest in the smaller Cbn markets (every where except Bahamas, Jamaica, DR, PR, USVI and Aruba) what will these islands do? Surely building regional capacity to tap the leisure market makes sense at a time when there isnt an emergency. So if this day does come regional carriers will already be known and viewed favorably in leisure markets. So will be able to fill the gap without tremendous loss of market share.

[Edited 2010-10-06 16:38:35]

User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19792 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 11):

There is a history of West Indians bad -mouthing each other.
Not sure why but I suppose of the legacy of the divide rule practice over these many years.

Those views are not one sided.

Last December when I went to Port of Spain, the cab driver did not have a rosy view of Bajan. I met this Bajan lady who promptly told me that Jamaicans don't like Bajan.

Again, IMO - legacies of divide and rule,

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 10):
I think it is about time someone steps to the plate and lasso them and do it. With so many good minds here one of us should do it. And it could be done.

The only person in the region who actually wanted to do that was Patrick Manning but he is out of office. Then there is Owen Arthurs of Barbados and PJ Patterson of Jamaica but they are no longer in office. So the present crop of leaders can't even agree to a frame work for the much talked about regional integration.

Look at there summit in MBJ back in the summer. Nothing concrete came out of it.

BTW:

The CO/UA merge is moving into high gear.

Once this is over we will have United on the following:

EWR-MBJ
IAH- MBJ
ORD - MBJ - seasonal
IAD - MBJ - seaonal

These mergers are good for the bottom line of these carriers but will the traveling really benefit as the less options you have the more expensive air fares become.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19770 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 6):
It will be quite interesting to see the final outcome of all this after the '' dust has been settled '' so to speak , where this subject is concerned. Naturally one of the reasons these islands are quick to engage the larger network carriers is their sheer size and connectivity through their large hubs. This was ( is ) also quite a topical issue where subsidized carriers to Jamaica is concerned, especially with regards to JM operations when it was fully GOJ owned. Where BGI is concerned, as mentioned previously it will be Airone's home base, and they too have applied to the US DOT. Will they get more favorable consideration out of that island where national carrier status is concerned and also with the US DOT at this time as well ? Only time will tell, but in any case I fully agree that the Governments of these respective islands will have to iron out those issues and not the airline ( s ).
Quoting guyanam (Reply 11):
Note according to some ANU, which hands out seat guarantees, will apparently not be offering one to CAL. I can see them sniffing "why they should hand out $$$ to CAL when its only Antiguans who are going to use them and they will come home any way?" They will ignore their greater negotiating clout over CAL than they have over US carriers. And the fact that CAL is apparently willing to fly possibly riskly routes "free", at most asking for some promotional dollars, while the others all demand guarantees



In this case, what is the real reason behind CAL starting ANU from JFK...I don't see the fares getting lower when you have two subsidiized carriers on a thin VFR route...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 6):
Impressive WS schedule to MBJ. I wonder if they will eventually start services to VFR cities such as KIN etc as well in the future ? B6 seem to enjoy success in both their leisure and VFR/business markets in the Caribbean.



Possibly..At one point they were looking at POS....

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 7):
Thnx for the info.
That is quite an extensive network of service planned by WS to MBJ. I notice they have covered the usual network of service operated by AC with their winter schedule, but also YXE and YQR (although AC also operated YHZ in their winter service).



You are welcome..I for-see them adding services from unfamiliar cities such as Thunder Bay, Moncton, Windsor, St Johns and Quebec City..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 9):
Thanks HB for highlighting Westjet this time around however I am looking forward to the next thread where we will showcase a carrier that is closer to Jamaica.



You are welcome..
Nice to get the monkey off my back, lol...

Quoting jm079 (Reply 9):
What is obvious from all of this is - All these Islands have put in place air service agreements to service there national interest.

I highly doubt that much will come of that: None of these Island can agree on single regulatory body to regulate the aviation sector in the Caribbean and it is not for lack of trying.



Am pretty sure, at one point they were looking at forming a single regulatory body for the region...I don't see how such a body would enhance aviation in the region...

Quoting jm079 (Reply 9):
BTW: Airone Venture is looking to launch service in and out of Guyana.

These Guyanese are giving support to such a move as they want to get the benefit of cheap fares as well.

Judging from this report it looks like Airone intent to compete with CAL on the POS - GEO route.



Nice too see more activities from Airone Ventures....I hope the travelling public is informed they are a low cost carrier and their services are tailored around this business model...

In the last 6 months, we have seen an increase in aviation activities in the region especially applications to KIN..I hope they all survive as the public needs cheaper fares..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
There is a history of West Indians bad -mouthing each other.
Not sure why but I suppose of the legacy of the divide rule practice over these many years.



These are some interesting comments.....

Quoting guyanam (Reply 11):
StL has had lots of new capacity from the USA Jetblue and more capacity on Delta and AA. BGI has problems with its US market not connected to lack of airlift.



With Chastanet at their helm, it will never happen....They are now pushing more more Candian services..

BTW, I read where B6 is eyeing GEO from JFK....Does the A320 have the range to carry those bags?

In the last thread, we were discussing subsidies...Look at how much San Diego will pay BA for it's daily B777 services..
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...s-try-sd-london-flight-third-time/

[Edited 2010-10-06 22:44:01]


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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19765 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Jazz Air will also start flying to AUA soon. As we all know they will replace most (if not all) of the former Skyservice routes to the Caribbean.

IIRC they should be leasing aircraft from Thomas Cook for these operations.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
The CO/UA merge is moving into high gear.

Once this is over we will have United on the following:

EWR-MBJ
IAH- MBJ
ORD - MBJ - seasonal
IAD - MBJ - seaonal

These mergers are good for the bottom line of these carriers but will the traveling really benefit as the less options you have the more expensive air fares become.

Thats the thing with some of these mega mergers. It is like a two edged sword. Great for the carrier ( s ) involved and may have certain advantages where network connectivity is concerned, but the disadvantage here for the traveler is less options to choose from which ofcourse can lead to uncompetitive fares. Wonder if we will eventually see UA doing LAX-MBJ seasonally in the future ?



greenheart
User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19753 times:

Here is more on the new fleet and where a/c will go

http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,128744.html


User currently offlinewadadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Nov 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19690 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):
In this case, what is the real reason behind CAL starting ANU from JFK...I don't see the fares getting lower when you have two subsidiized carriers on a thin VFR route...
Quoting guyanam (Reply 11):
Note according to some ANU, which hands out seat guarantees, will apparently not be offering one to CAL

The subsidies to DELTA were dropped over a year ago. Both the ATL and JFK route were initially offered subsidies but it was announced from the government in the Antigua media over a year ago that the subsidy requirement was dropped by Delta as the routes were performing well above expectation. Having said that, Delta since then has implemented very adhoc schedules with up to 4X JFK and 3X ATL per week in peak summer and Christmas and reducing to as low as 1X weekly each or in this years case suspending service during the slow fall period.Not very convenient but the adjustments througout the year based on demand is necessary and keeps their load factors high on the route. DL had robust demand on the JFK route in both Summer 09 and Winter often deploying a 757.

It has been well established that most airlines these days will not start a new route without support in some shape or form so I dont know why we are seeing it as something bad. There have been several sucessful partnerships. eg. the Gov of ANU has not paid AA anything since the restart of MIA/ANU as the loads have been very good. The additional JFK and MIA flights to UVF on AA have gaurantees......just like B6 UVF and BGI service....its just the reality of the aviation world currently.....the important thing is to put the necessary marketing etc to make the services successful.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19678 times:

Quoting wadadli (Reply 16):
Delta since then has implemented very adhoc schedules with up to 4X JFK and 3X ATL per week in peak summer and Christmas and reducing to as low as 1X weekly each or in this years case suspending service during the slow fall period.Not very convenient but the adjustments througout the year based on demand is necessary and keeps their load factors high on the route.

Going from 4 x JFK and 3 x ATL weekly to 1 x weekly each in low season and now even suspending service in low season doesn't really sound robust...?

Quoting wadadli (Reply 16):
DL had robust demand on the JFK route in both Summer 09 and Winter often deploying a 757.

How did 2010 perform so far?

A388


User currently offlinewadadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Nov 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19655 times:

Quoting wadadli (Reply 16):
DL had robust demand on the JFK route in both Summer 09 and Winter often deploying a 757.
Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
Going from 4 x JFK and 3 x ATL weekly to 1 x weekly each in low season and now even suspending service in low season doesn't really sound robust...?

You missed the keywords...please re-read - Robust during Summer and Winter.....85%-90% plus load factors at very high fares. As with most of the regioun, demand falls off sep - mid nov and may - mid june. Not uncommon, Delta suspended service to several places including BGI, SKb etc until Dec. Again....not uncommon as they often do this.....makes perfect business sense to me...the laws of supply and demand.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19643 times:

Quoting wadadli (Reply 18):
You missed the keywords...please re-read - Robust during Summer and Winter.....85%-90% plus load factors at very high fares. As with most of the regioun, demand falls off sep - mid nov and may - mid june. Not uncommon, Delta suspended service to several places including BGI, SKb etc until Dec. Again....not uncommon as they often do this.....makes perfect business sense to me...the laws of supply and demand.

I did get that but a robust performer in my view means year round service on a daily basis, that was my point. I understand the laws of supply and demand...

A388


User currently offlinewadadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Nov 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19634 times:

Quoting wadadli (Reply 18):

How did 2010 perform so far?

Delta has overall performed well into ANU for 2010. JFK 3X and ATL 2X for most of the year through to August. JFK in particular has had great loads. JFK returns in Nov, ATL in Dec.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19625 times:

Quoting wadadli (Reply 20):
Delta has overall performed well into ANU for 2010. JFK 3X and ATL 2X for most of the year through to August. JFK in particular has had great loads. JFK returns in Nov, ATL in Dec.

Why don't they start with 4 x JFK and 3 x ATL as they have done before? All in all, thanks for the information.

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19623 times:

Quoting wadadli (Reply 18):
You missed the keywords...please re-read - Robust during Summer and Winter.....85%-90% plus load factors at very high fares. As with most of the regioun, demand falls off sep - mid nov and may - mid june. Not uncommon, Delta suspended service to several places including BGI, SKb etc until Dec. Again....not uncommon as they often do this.....makes perfect business sense to me...the laws of supply and demand.

You know...DL took the same attitude here in BZE...and last year we talked them into keeping it thru the summer and keeping some weekday service Sep-Nov. They were very pleasantly surprised ...especially by the summer....90% LF..they hurt AA bad.

So 2010..they are going to keep it daily year round. Now if I can find them some cargo....they have promised and equipment upgrade.

My point is...if DL makes a committment, the traffic should rise to meet the availability. Humans are a fickle bunch, we like a consistent product.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19609 times:
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Quoting wadadli (Reply 16):
It has been well established that most airlines these days will not start a new route without support in some shape or form so I dont know why we are seeing it as something bad.
Quoting wadadli (Reply 18):
You missed the keywords...please re-read - Robust during Summer and Winter.....85%-90% plus load factors at very high fares. As with most of the regioun, demand falls off sep - mid nov and may - mid june. Not uncommon, Delta suspended service to several places including BGI, SKb etc until Dec. Again....not uncommon as they often do this.....makes perfect business sense to me...the laws of supply and demand.
Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
Quoting wadadli (Reply 18):
Quoting A388 (Reply 19):
Quoting wadadli (Reply 20):

Lets take a look at the DOT stats for summer 09 an winter 10...Pay close attention to the seat allocation for the winter months..

Jun 09 1440-1340 93%
July 09 2080-1999 96%
Aug 09 2080-1776 85%

Nov 09 800-609 76%
Dec 09 2240-1559 69%


Jan 10 960-661 68%
Feb 10 1760-1148 65%
Mar 10 2718-1841 67%


Congrats to Lerone Clarke in winning the men's 100m in a rather empty stadium at the Commonwealth Games..

[Edited 2010-10-07 13:32:38]


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19593 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 23):
Lets take a look at the DOT stats for summer 09 an winter 10...Pay close attention to the seat allocation for the winter months..

Thanks hummingbird, I see that the seat allocation is lower in the months Jan, Feb and Mar of this year but still the load factors have dropped compared to the previous months. Are those lower load factors normal for that time of the year to ANU?

A388


25 Post contains links AirJamaica : One thing is certain is that with Airone coming into the picture shortly, the Caribbean skies will surely get more crowded, which is good for the tra
26 hummingbird : You are welcome....Am not sure about the dynamics of ANU's tourism industry, but CO also flies from EWR and these are their stats for the said period
27 A388 : Thanks hummingbird, CO has performed better compared to DL I see. A388
28 Post contains links jm079 : I suppose this is necessary - the procurement procedures can be very long and tedious and with a dead line coming quite fast for the merging of both
29 beeweel15 : That dude needs to do some better research as ATR aircraft are not made by Boeing.
30 Post contains links jm079 : Why not focus on the message instead of some mere techicalities. What he has to say is in keeping with things that most of you Trinis have been calli
31 guyanam : Before CAL becomes the defacto Regional Carrier they will need to get the govts to appoint them as such. The US govt seems to be fully aware that reg
32 Post contains images AirJamaica : What is also interesting with these stats when you compare both the winter months is that more seats were available in 2010 for that period, but ther
33 hummingbird : Get LI onboard and it will happen!! I can understand this move..The Caribbean skies will be very competitive.....For a short period the consumers wil
34 a340jamaica : Wow!, just catching up after a long period of absence from the forum. So, the Open Skies agreement comes back to bite CAL as was predicted several mon
35 A388 : Very true, I agree with that too but I don't see the Caribbean ever falling out of fashion, it is a region that is just too well known among American
36 Post contains links hummingbird : I agree...With SW acquiring FL, we can look forward to more flights stimulating the market..... True....At the last ICAN conference in Montego Bay, J
37 A388 : I didn't know about this accident. R.I.P. to the victims and my condolences to their families. A388
38 Post contains links hummingbird : A sad week for avaition in Bahamas...This had two accidents this week... White Airways of Portugal will operate a weekly LIS-MBJ charter on Nov 28, u
39 guyanam : I didnt mean that the Caribbean as a whole will go out of fashion with tourists. I mean that the airlines might not consider it profitable if they se
40 A388 : As I said, the Caribbean will remain the most popular leisure region for Americans in the East Coast so it will remain well served. By the way, aren'
41 Post contains links AirJamaica : As expected, Jamaica and the rest of the Caribbean is feeling the impact of the Air Passenger Duty ( APD ) imposed by the U.K. government last year. I
42 Post contains links hummingbird : Lets hope the UK Govt withdraw this tax as it will be a detriment to the industry... I agree... I read in another thread where they are now offering
43 Post contains links jm079 : Why should anyone be surprise from any of this as last year we highlighted the many attempts of the regional tourism interest to get the UK governmen
44 guyanam : I understand that English isnt your first language so you may have misunderstand me. As said IF AA pulls out or reduces services NOT WHEN. If any Car
45 Post contains links and images speedbird2263 : It's now down to licence approval before Airone starts offering travellers fares as low as US$9.99. Lower Fares Key To Intra-Regional Tourism: Caribbe
46 guyanam : [quote=speedbird2263,reply=45][/quote I wonder if AirOne has worked out the fact that the market dynamics and its impact on airline economics might be
47 jm079 : Well, they did threatened to severely reduce flights out of MIA to MBJ/KIN. The revenue guarantee that the GoJ gave to AA was to maintain, increase a
48 Post contains images AirJamaica : I doubt they would be willing to eliminate it all together, but I would hope they at least consider adjusting what they are charging for flights to t
49 hummingbird : Lets hope it does not happen to Jamaica... I have confidence they will be around for around for the long run.....As I previously mentioned, I hope th
50 A388 : Guyanam, my english is well enough. You're talking about something completely different now. What do you make of your own below post: Does that imply
51 guyanam : I think that my claim that Curacao isnt a strong enough destination to assume that AA will always fly there is quite clear. Even you will admit that
52 A388 : I have to agree with Guyanam as well. Comparing AirOne (or any other potential low cost start up in the region) with Ryanair is like comparing apples
53 jm079 : I pointed out earlier on that it is obvious that Airone is going to be using the template of Digicel - another Irish company- that has dramtically ch
54 A388 : What makes you think that telephone prices are comparable to air fares? Are you serious? That is exactly what I also mean... Again look at all the ai
55 jm079 : It is simple A388 no group of people are going to invest in any venture without first doing there maket reseach to determine if the venture will be s
56 A388 : How simple was it for all other new airlines who invested that much in starting up and no longer exist after a few years? Again, setting up a telepho
57 yellowtail : Market research is only as good as the time, research and people behind it. In many many cases, it is not done properly.
58 jm079 : You are taking this conversation and making these wild and irrational statements. Again, it is basic and it is about refutting your position that a g
59 guyanam : I was trying to figure out which intra regional routes would make sense for a BGI based airline with an MD83 with very high density. Not to SLU,or GN
60 A388 : You know jm079, I'll just let you compare an ice cream company's success to an airline's success. Totally comparable businesses..... A388[Edited 2010
61 jm079 : You take some very extreme position and questioned things without first giving some serious thoughts to what you are posting. It is not the first tim
62 A388 : Without going over any "analytical skills" you are right about the above statement. A388
63 Post contains links hummingbird : With all due respect...The $9.99 is the base fare..When you add taxes and other purchasable items, you will see a ticket that will be in the range of
64 yellowtail : I have seen many investors do due diligence only to find out after sinking a pile of money into the venture to have it fail because the market resear
65 guyanam : Right now LIAT is charging US$240 base fare on a BGI GEO (excluding taxes and fees) . In addition to local passengers boarding at BGI they have intra
66 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : If history has taught me anything, it's that its better to look forward with cautious optimism than being overly pessimistic or optimistic. Sometimes
67 Post contains links hummingbird : Judging from the 100 pax a day, I can forsee them combining the route with POS to offer a triangular service The importance of having these low fares
68 AirJamaica : Well said.
69 Post contains links AirJamaica : An interesting article here re the divestment of the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston. Apparently aerodromes are being added to the pac
70 hummingbird : This is a pretty interesting package..IMO, I don't think adding the 5 aerodromes have sweetened the deal.. I agree..But am curious as to why St Lucia
71 Post contains links jm079 : You have highlighted some very important points but the core issue is not about whether a market research is good or bad. I am simple pointing out th
72 A388 : Who said that? We are talking about aviation right? A388
73 guyanam : . LIAT and CAL are govt owned airlines and so there are others who will absorb losses. In fcat I dont see LIAT suffering much as Air One cannot profi
74 beeweel15 : THE TAX PAYERS
75 A388 : Very well said. A388
76 Post contains links hummingbird : The only thing we can do is to wait and see what transpires after their first six months in operation... The JTB and Sandals, have once again joined
77 A388 : I'm not sure what you mean by this. What should I see here? A388[Edited 2010-10-16 07:30:00]
78 a340jamaica : Agreed. Based on the business plan I see proposed, this is a recipe for trouble. They must eventually plan to get props or they can forget about inte
79 AirJamaica : Exactly. Was expecting such a gesture from Butch/Sandals. They have teamed up with the JTB. Butch would not miss such an opportunity to expose his re
80 beeweel15 : I am certain that they will rely on LIAT and several smaller carriers for their feed.
81 hummingbird : DOT Stats April 2010.. JM BWI-MBJ 3488-1998 57%..The effect of FL's entrance....It was the new management's idea to change the flight time to pm dep f
82 hummingbird : * Rumour*...The first B738 destined for JM will be registered 9Y-JAM...CAL colours with JM name and new logo.. The A321 has returned from it's mainten
83 A388 : I don't understand why you quoted my reply for an article about Jamaicans appreciating the efforts made in rescueing the miners in Chile? A388
84 hummingbird : Oh, now I see..Am sorry, it was a genuine mistake....
85 Post contains images A388 : Okay, no problem. Nice to hear about the JM 738, as I've said before, seeing is believing... A388
86 beeweel15 : y-JAM It would be better if it was 6Y-JAM
87 Speedbird2263 : You beat me to it, I was gonna say the same thing.
88 Inbound : It's 9Y because it's just a loaner until AJ gets their own 738s next year. I believe it's 9Y-BGI being removed from POS ops. Surprised they didn't sen
89 Post contains links hummingbird : Should be in KIN, in time for the second training group... Red Jet, previously known as Airone Ventures, launched services in Barbados yesterday....T
90 beeweel15 : Do they even have a website anything advising of their existence besides the information we get on the news articles Caribbean based yes. But the Car
91 A388 : I think they mean the first low cost airline in the Caribbean to offer low cost flights within the Caribbean. Seeing that they will use the MD82 for
92 AA1818 : Is POS getting another aircraft to take the place of BGI. Surely the schedule cannot be run on 7 a/c? AA1818
93 Post contains links AirJamaica : So I was on my way to work at approximately 10:00am this morning when I saw an JM A320 zipped by that had just taken off from 30. Then to my surprise
94 A388 : Most likely a one-off flight as LAN Cargo doesn't fly to Jamaica on a scheduled basis. All flights are shown on arrival and departure tracking, inclu
95 AirJamaica : I should have worded my previous post differently. What I really meant was that it seemed as if it was scheduled just for the day. As you correctly s
96 A388 : Okay thanks AirJamaica. You are right, it sounds like a single flight. I can imagine it is a nice sight to see. I saw it in MIA but didn't get a nice
97 BW424 : Interesting. Question...........Why re-register an aircraft that is already 9Y- registered? Doesn't make sense to me. I can understand 6Y-JAM, but no
98 A388 : Maybe under current T&T (aviation) laws a T&T registered aircraft can only be based or "re-located" outside T&T territory if the registra
99 Inbound : Yes AA1818, 2 more 737s soon come. One will be TJR from last year.
100 Post contains images hummingbird : The question that is puzzling many..I assume they are waiting for the licence from the Bajan authorities.. However, they will have innovative ways su
101 Post contains links jm079 : Lets hope Lima Mike was at work as he would be in better position to snap some pics. Good to see LAN at KIN. Good this aircraft have gone tech and as
102 Post contains images AirJamaica : It is times like these when I really miss working out there. Was initially wondering the same thing if it was a tech stop. Quite eager to see the res
103 guyanam : Actually AirOne would have done better in Jamaica. I think their concept would work brilliantly for Jamaica So Florida runs. Relatively large market
104 hummingbird : I believe this is the first B777L to visit Jamaica.. I agree........However, am not liking their uniform...I prefer their previous design... I figure
105 beeweel15 : So if this market exists why did Spirit fail so badly in the Caribbean?
106 Post contains links AirJamaica : More than likely. As expected, JUTC bus driver Annette Howard who was first on the scene to assist with the rescue of passengers on board the ill-fat
107 A388 : Traffic between MIA and CUR is good on both AA and 7I as far as I know. You are probably seeing this difference for that month alone but I'm not sure
108 Post contains links jm079 : Air Jamaica is moving to Terminal 3 in Toronto from Terminal 1 As CAl consolidates its operation at airport where both flies out The move will be in t
109 Post contains images hummingbird : Pic of ABSA Boeing 767W in KIN.. In NK's case, it was bad timing and bad marketing on their part.. A well deserved award... They have integrated the M
110 a340jamaica : Based on what I am hearing, they are not doing well with loads at all. Someone I knew flew recently to FLL with them and the load was about 50 on the
111 JM017 : Considering how things are going, I wonder if the government of Jamaica regrets the decision regarding Airone.....
112 Post contains links AirJamaica : This month end should see the re opening of the Boscobel Aerodrome in St. Mary after delays and reports of cost over runs where expansion and upgradin
113 A388 : Interesting, maybe this flight is linked to the LAN Cargo 777 a few days ago? Or were these flights diversions? Ticket fares at the time when NK star
114 Post contains links hummingbird : FLL performs well due to lack of competition...B6 has knocked them on their JFK route..AC has positioned themselves on the YYZ route...But, suffice t
115 A388 : Has that attitude changed now? A388
116 caribbean484 : This is standard across all Caribbean Airlines flights in the Caribbean and South America, you are only allowed 1 checked bag and 1 carry-on, the sec
117 LimaMike : How many 738s are being sent to KIN? I read in previous posts where it was said 1 738 will be sent to KIN for KIN-YYZ operations. The schedule above
118 Post contains links jm079 : It is a sizable investment that this company has made in BGI which am sure the GoJ is regretting. But am sure if they had given the go ahead, Air Jam
119 a340jamaica : Doubt the GOJ is regretting this!! Operating with BGI as an operational base will inherently limit their prospects for growth. They simply cannot gro
120 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : If ever I was told that I would see the day.... -2263
121 Post contains links jm079 : WILL Delta Airlines please make up its mind. Earlier in the summer they zeroed out there JFK - MBJ and was intransiting passengers thru ATL. DL has no
122 SJOtoLIR : That second daily flight has been launching in order to meet the Christmas-New Year demand. Schedule below: JM 077............KIN 12:00..............
123 hummingbird : Am waiting for confirmation about the 2*B738 to JFK from KIN...They do not have that many FAs trained for the proposed schedule..The night bird will
124 Post contains links jm079 : Judging from JM new schedule it is obvious that there will be more than 1 737's being used. You will notice that the 737 is heavily used on all the m
125 AA1818 : So there will now be a non-stop POS-KIN service? Might this also be pre-empting RedJet's entry into the market. AA1818
126 hummingbird : It looks like only two B738 will be used for the busy period..The 3rd should come in Jan or early Feb... A ground agent in YYZ , recently told my fri
127 hummingbird : News just broke..The are looking to revise the schedule..Eff, Nov 10, BW will operate the JFK-GND segments....JM will operate the A320 twice weekly t
128 LimaMike : Arent they doing something similar on ATL-KIN? They plan to operate Dec 16 - Jan 15 and then disappear again.
129 AirJamaica : Most if not all the time that is what usually happen with these types of project. The norm for them it seems. But yes, this trend can't continue. DL
130 A388 : I really hope it will change but again let's not get to anxious yet. REDJet still needs to start and we just don't know how they will do, we just don
131 AA1818 : Awesome. Will be great to see JM back in POS. Also- it is going to be great to have GND once again linked to POS by jet service! Congrats to Caribbea
132 Post contains links hummingbird : I hope we may see more DL flight coming into Jamaica in 2012.... Per the memo, it is more cost effective for BW to operate the JFK-GND flights....JM
133 A388 : Has there ever been a scheduled nonstop flight between POS and KIN and vice versa? If not, why is that? Also can a POS-CUR-KIN-CUR-POS routing work? I
134 AirJamaica : I heard that AJAS will also be handling REDjet's KIN ops. Wasn't aware that Jamaica Dispatch Services handled BW's passengers in KIN all this time. T
135 Speedbird2263 : That's affirmative, REDjet will be handled by AJAS in KIN. Also with regards to Jamaica Dispatch and Caribbean Airlines, the carrier will be looking
136 Post contains links jm079 : CAL has confirmed that it will now operate POS-GND with onward connection to JFK using its own metal effective Nov 10. The move it seems is in line to
137 Post contains links jm079 : Caribbean Airlines is now the winner of the leading airlines to the Caribbean for 2010. The recognition was given this weekend in Jamaica where the Wo
138 A388 : We (as in you and me) never discussed the Caribbean Airlines take-over of JM changing the aviation industry forever so of course I haven't said that
139 hummingbird : Updates... The second B737 should have the reg 9Y-MBJ.. The introduction of the B737, will also see the re-introduction of meal service.....They will
140 a340jamaica : Should be interesting to see the public reaction. AC and WS should be quietly smiling.
141 yankeejuliet : The A321 will be required to provide additional lift on JFK-POS during the peek of winter hence will substitute for 737-800 to Grenada twice weekly f
142 jm079 : It is true that you were never apart of that disussion earlier. However, what CAL/JM is proposing to do is no different from what Airone venture is p
143 A388 : Again, as you also said in your own reply, I was not part of that discussion so why keep bringing that up!!! What's the problem!!! A388
144 yankeejuliet : The rumour is that the A321 will be the last to Airbus to go, however the short term leasing in of two newer models are being considered as the 739 a
145 a340jamaica : Would not be surprising. It is an amazingly cost efficient aircraft, among the best for narrow bodies excepting probably the 757-300. The A321 is act
146 yankeejuliet : FLL will be a very competitive route for JM/CAL once B6 and FL(whose new owners are now evaluating) start operations. A fare war is predicted. Loyalt
147 Post contains links AirJamaica : Congrats to BW for copping that award. Looking at the historical data I wasn't aware that JM had aced it so many times year after year. Much more tha
148 Post contains links jm079 : It is a guarantee that REDjet will be eyeing the FLL KIN route. They have already indicated that FLL -BGI is coming on stream but the traffic between
149 yankeejuliet : Jamaica needs a new carrier of choice on all former JM routes and using Airbus jets.
150 hummingbird : The public will be thrilled when they are offered lower fares from other carriers..The US legacies are here to stay..... I have seen them use the B76
151 miafll : CAL cut more JM staff in North America today and are expected to outsource many positions in MBJ and KIN...yet rumours are that CAL management staff a
152 a340jamaica : If true, shows how smart they are. Take actions that will further inflame a very tense and terse situation at a time when they need to trying to win
153 miafll : yep...I understand the manner in which CAL HR is handling the staff cuts are atrocious...including calling staff off the ticket counter when checking
154 hummingbird : Sunday is D Day..Thats when CAL will takeover and start the merging process... They will cut the older staff in FLL.....About 30 to go...On a whole t
155 a340jamaica : So effectively it seems like they are going to try and run everything from Trinidad as I suspected all along. Should be interesting how that works ou
156 A388 : What has been agreed between the GoJ and T&T with regards to the operation of the former Air Jamaica and Caribbean Airlines' take-over? Everythin
157 guyanam : Well Jamaicans said they dont plan to fly "no Trini ting". Like the management fopr got this...or do they think that people bother with their little
158 jm079 : I dont think we should be surprise by these revelations. These things are to be expected especially when we are talking about the work culture of JM
159 jm02 : Good point well made - at the end of the day the routes are owned by BW and it is for them to decide what to do with it for good or bad. JM is just t
160 a340jamaica : I could have told any JM staff that this would have been the result. I said as much earlier in the year. The JM name I doubt will be kept. It is now
161 jm02 : I am hoping BW are following the WN model, that revolves around cautious expansion and excellent customer service which still entails two free bags a
162 hummingbird : This is the latest.. All new contracts will be issued on Friday..The company will now adhere to CAL's HR policies... Staff will not be hired to CAL,
163 Inbound : Someone mentioned the return of the meal service when the 737 is introduced to JM. For those of you who have never had it, the business class meals (s
164 jm079 : I am some what cautious with respect to what direcction that CAL/BW will pursue as the new government in Port of Spain is far more fiscally conservat
165 A388 : I wouldn't be so sure. If MBJ has dual bridges to embark and disembark passengers from the upper and lower deck simultaneously, then yes. Based on ph
166 Post contains links jm079 : At the time of the expansion of the airport the developers decided to put in place the loading dock to accommodate the A380 if for any reasons this p
167 Post contains links AirJamaica : Regarding this particular aircraft type, many are of the belief that it is only recently that MBJ was able to accommodate a B744. Sites such as Wikip
168 a340jamaica : I have personally been on a B747, albeit 747-200 through MBJ. British Airways from London Gatwick in 1995. Pan American World Airways also sent 747s
169 Post contains images AirJamaica : Quite so. Wardair ( WD ) flew their B747's to MBJ from Canada back in the day as well, so that aircraft type is nothing new to MBJ at all.
170 Post contains links jm079 : MBJ has always entertain a lot of different heavies and even though the Concorde is not in the same league as the 747 but the airport was able to acc
171 Post contains links and images hummingbird : O Ye of little faith.....Give them more time... Am impressed with this move to increase the number of investors in the tourism industry..... I believ
172 A388 : If the space is available to build a dual air bridge on a location that is destined to handle the A380 that is different yes. As long as there is no
173 hummingbird : It looks like the airline that was leased from Transavia for the winter, will be headed to KIN this weekend... "9Y-TJR Caribbean Airlines ferried 27oc
174 AirJamaica : I am assuming they both will be back at MBJ this season as well ?
175 beeweel15 : It takes an absolute minimum of 2 hours to turn this plane and you have to have all pax checked in and everything else staged at the gate prior to th
176 jm079 : CAL will be centralizing there reservation system with the termination of the JM staff in KIN and shifting all reservation, operation and control to P
177 hummingbird : The remaining staff will know their fate tomorrow...Their updates were sent highlighting the need to collect their letters..The letters will inform t
178 jm079 : Jalpa will be meeting in a couple of days with its membership as it is emerging that the arrival of the 737 to do the YYZ, NYC and FLL will entail the
179 a340jamaica : Interesting indeed. Things are developing just as I anticipated. They may have to be prepared to publicize the issue and remind the populace of the s
180 guyanam : Any comments from the Trini section as to the "Trini-ization" of CALs Jamaica operations and the backlash that will surely come? Whats the sense spen
181 A388 : Look at your below reply which I quoted: "At the time of the expansion of the airport the developers decided to put in place the loading dock to acco
182 a340jamaica : Looks like we can't go a single year without a major hurricane threat. Watch out, Tomas is on the way. Lining up like Ivan, Dean, Gilbert. In other wo
183 jm079 : The disruption will be severe and quite expensive. For the last few months the Caribbean has been affected by rain and Jamaica's road network was dam
184 AirJamaica : Yes hurricane Tomas seem to be eyeing Jamaica as well so everyone here is on high alert. Not a welcome guest, as the total islandwide repair bill for
185 Post contains links AirJamaica : BA, VS, travel agents and regional tourism ministers have all been expressing their concerns re the increased Air Passenger Duty ( A.P.D. ) tax which
186 hummingbird : I saw copies of this and other documents..For what its worth, somethings dont't make sense...But lets see how JALPA responds to these new proposals..
187 Post contains images hummingbird : The first B738 arrived in KIN yesterday with crew and mechanics...I am getting more info and will post them once recieved...The first flight is schedu
188 A388 : That's one crappy Jamaica display. This is probaby a temporary thing but I hope there will be a separate Jamaican brand tied to the Jamaican operatio
189 hummingbird : It is temporary until after December..... Mr Brunton ,met with some staff in KIN today.....He shared the following with the staff ( There are more co
190 A388 : Thanks hummingbird, let's hope we will see more Jamaica operations and a new livery soon. A388
191 AA1818 : Do we have anything official from DOT about this approval? Does this mean that BW can operate the flights but they must terminate and originate in PO
192 hummingbird : You are welcome..Based on what I have heard, they will only keep the CAL livery..The JM sticker was used based on the situation where a BW plane was
193 beeweel15 : Lets hope this is the case cause that hop to POS is what caused the old BW to loose lots of money among other things. I hope they use one of the tric
194 jm079 : Judging from the these reports the whole process of the transition seems to be in a mess. Mr Brunton told the JM staff that the loads across the broa
195 AirJamaica : There were lots of talk re an AF/KL like operation previously, but from the look of things this was not to be. Guess it's temporary, but that little
196 Post contains links hummingbird : Based on the current market conditions, it will be a while before a net profit is realised...They have yet to stabilise their operations... I don't t
197 yankeejuliet : JFK-POS twice weekly service using JM's Airbus aircraft has been shelved and the A 321 placed in storage pending delivery to lessor. The management of
198 a340jamaica : Their loss. As stated on numerous occasions, Jamaicans are not going to identify with "Caribbean Airlines" and will use them for nothing other than c
199 JM017 : I couldn't put it better myself. There was such uncertainty for so long plus the negative response to the intended BW takeover, I am surprised that a
200 yellowtail : I agree with you there. The previous BWIA was if nothing, distinctive. Get on with the rebranding!
201 Post contains links hummingbird : The recent comments by the PM, has caused outrage and views are being expressed on social networks..On Blackberry phones and Facebooks, messages are
202 guyanam : Somebody needs to sit down and tell Kamla that T&T is the biggest beneficiary of CARICOM. Thats what they get for helping their neighbors. It doe
203 AA1818 : I am outraged at the comments of our PM. They are nothing short of disgusting. She has embarassed her nation, her airline, her political party and her
204 BW424 : Same here my friend! But hey, people were taking unfair shots at the last GORTT, including the same ones (on and off this forum) echoing their dissap
205 jm079 : I am not sure why every one is huffing and puffing. The Prime Minister is entitled to declare how her government feels and it is no different from wh
206 AirJamaica : The reaction of some to that comment is not surprising. It was bound to open a can of worms I think. A few of my co workers were scheduled to leave K
207 a340jamaica : Looks like Tomas took a last minute veer to the northeast as of the 11pm advisory and strengthening again. Not good for Haiti. I wish them the best, t
208 AirJamaica : Didn't remember that WS was to start their YVR-MBJ inaugural so early. Lol.....Where hurricanes are concerned, I have experienced them all , from the
209 Post contains links hummingbird : They also operated flights from YWG and YQR this week...Their flight from YEG operates today....Am waiting to see how these flights to YVR performs w
210 A388 : Nice, are there any photos of their first aircraft? Will it have full Jazz Air colors or will it be a Thomas Cook aircraft with only the Jazz Air tit
211 Post contains links hummingbird : From the information I gathered, 2 aircraft were ferried this week from MAN....One arrived on the 3rd and the other yesterday...They now have both sc
212 a340jamaica : Just reading about the Aerocaribbean crash in Central Cuba. May they RIP. The aircraft in question has probably been a visitor to Jamaica on occasion.
213 A388 : Indeed a sad event. R.I.P. to the victims and my condolences to the families and friends. A388
214 hummingbird : Yesterday, Westjet had 5 flights to Montego Bay.. 2 ex YYZ 1.YOW 1.YWG 1.YYC.. Also, we had AC A321, JZA B752 and SWG B738 from YYZ.... Today we have
215 AirJamaica : Impressive line up from Canada as usual. I assume NA is operating a charter for another carrier from ORD. Any idea which is it ?
216 hummingbird : I agree..Can't wait for the winter to get in full swing..We should be seeing TS flying their ex MX A332 into MBJ.. MAybe its a charter for Funjet Vac
217 LimaMike : Well given CO 's current service from its IAH hub I'd imagine we would see an increase in IAH-MBJ, possibly daily year-round service, before LAX-MBJ.
218 A388 : That is a nice line up of Canadian airlines indeed. Today Jazz Air also had their first flight to CUR. The aircraft is wearing the full Thomas Cook l
219 hummingbird : Interesting to see how they are rotating their B752...I also saw a flight to AUA yesterday... They also operated a flight to MBJ this morning...http:
220 A388 : I'm not sure but maybe that was the same flight going to CUR even though their schedule says the flight to/from CUR is nonstop. A388
221 Post contains links hummingbird : They operated seperate flights... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JZA3042 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JZA3038
222 A388 : Thanks hummingbird, so on sundays Jazz Air operates both their 757's to AUA and CUR. A388
223 Post contains links jm079 : The interim report on the AA crash landing at NMIA back in 2009 will become available come next March of 2011. ......"Director general of the JCAA, Lt
224 jm079 : CAL has acknowledged receipt of being awarding the 2010 award as the leading airlines to the Caribbean. Congrats to them this year and I look forward
225 Post contains links AirJamaica : AC has adjusted their baggage fees to the Caribbean and effective January 2011 Y passengers will pay CD$ 20 to check a second luggage. '' MONTREAL, Ca
226 Post contains links hummingbird : You are welcome..So far, I have seen flights to MBJ, CUR, AUA,NAS, PUJ.POP and PVR For flights to the region, the bags were free... -----------------
227 AirJamaica : So on completion of this project the runway length at MBJ will be extended to over 10,000 feet by my estimation. Good to see further enhancements bei
228 Post contains links hummingbird : Am also, eager to see which end of the runway will be extended... Here is an article about Jazz Air and their plans for their B752s.....Nice to see M
229 Post contains links AirJamaica : I am assuming it will be extended at the 25 end, though there were concerns re the proximity that such an extension would have to the existing highwa
230 Post contains links jm079 : The fee is not a good move on the part of AC as it will certainly will be viewed as quite uncompetitive when compare to say JM/CAL that is now encour
231 a340jamaica : People need to stop travelling with all their belongings in the world. It is almost pointless nowadays to carry stuff home. Better to wire the money
232 hummingbird : Yeah..Good luck diverting traffic through Flankers, lol... Based on what I have heard out of KIN, they have secured the KIN-YYZ market....BW/JM is st
233 AirJamaica : I thought they would have followed AA footsteps and offer both checked bags free on flights to the Caribbean as it is a known fact that the VFR trave
234 hummingbird : I heard that Delta will pull out of KIN soon.. Also, AC is now carrying more of the contacted overseas workers, so yields on their flights are quite s
235 JM017 : Really? I have no insider knowledge, but I thought they were doing well on the route.
236 jm079 : They have definitely pulled out of KIN from ATL as come next spring and summmer they have zeroed out all there flights from ATL. Delta does these thi
237 A388 : Nice, CUR was also a destination that required the A321 mainly because of excess cargo as almost every passenger had between 7-9 large boxes to take
238 Post contains images AirJamaica : Well we all know how it is with DL's Caribbean services in some markets and how they operate it. But myself thought that they were doing well on thei
239 yankeejuliet : A310s were deployed to CUR on at least 4 Occasions during summer of 1998.
240 AirJamaica : O.K. Thanks. I know they were also used for their GCM operations as well, especially during the summer/winter peak travel rush.
241 Post contains links hummingbird : New thread up.. The Hummingbird Soars..Jamaican Thread 34.. (by hummingbird Nov 16 2010 in Civil Aviation)
242 Post contains images A388 : Interesting, I didn't know that but then again I wasn't such an extreme, taking it to the next level, aviation geek as I am now A388
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