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Norwegian To Open Base At HEL: 13 Routes  
User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

LCC Norwegian opens a base at Helsinki (HEL) next spring, with 11 new destinations: Copenhagen, Malaga, Nice, Chania, Rome, Barcelona, London Gatwick, Split, Alicante, plus the domestic destinations Oulu and Rovaniemi in Northern Finland. They already serve OSL and ARN from HEL.

Three aircraft will be based in Helsinki. Domestic routes go into operation on March 31, whereas international routes start in early to mid May.

http://www.norwegian.com/about-norwe...7e46c&typeofmedia=pressrelease

*Velkommen Norwegian!*
Always great to get more competition in HEL, I wish them all the best. I'm especially happy to get more competition to CPH, AGP, OUL and RVN, badly needed there. LGW will be interesting, Easyjet already serving the route.

I wonder what happened to their co-operation with AY? Norwegian was supposed to feed AY's service to Asia in the future and I have understood AY still owns a small slice of Norwegian. But this looks like competition, not co operation, though probably Blue1 (SASFinland) and Air Finland will be effected more.

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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5414 times:
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I think that they will mainly go after the budget travelers. They are always looking for the cheapest flights. But nice to see more Norwegians planes at HEL  


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User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 1):
I think that they will mainly go after the budget travelers

Thats true but the HEL-OUL 4x daily will attract the business travellers too I believe.

To OyKIE:
Air Baltic is planning to open their base in OUL in north, not in HEL. But lets see what happens to that plan.


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Quoting andaman (Thread starter):
Three aircraft will be based in Helsinki. Domestic routes go into operation on March 31, whereas international routes start in early to mid May.

Does anyone know if these planes will be 737-300 or -800? According to several reports here the MD-90 was too large for Blue1, so it would be interesting to see if DY feels the same.

Quoting andaman (Thread starter):
LGW will be interesting, Easyjet already serving the route.

It seems that Norwegian wants too awoid direct competition against Ryanair at least. There are few overlapping routes. It will be interesting too see if there are room for both on this route.

Quoting andaman (Thread starter):
I wonder what happened to their co-operation with AY? Norwegian was supposed to feed AY's service to Asia in the future and I have understood AY still owns a small slice of Norwegian. But this looks like competition, not co operation, though probably Blue1 (SASFinland) and Air Finland will be effected more.

I wonder about the co-operation with AY as well. They have been talking about feeding AY with passengers for their longhaul fleet.

It will be interesting to see how Blue1 will react? Will they expand more? More 717's are available. They are a profitable part of SAS. Do the 717 have enough range to compete to Spain, Italy and Crete? The 717 is a very competitive plane, and has almost the same CASM as the 738. And that is impressive with more than 60 less seats to fill.

Then there is Air Baltic. Their CEO Flick has publicly said he wanted to set up a base in Finland as well. I wonder if he believes he can effectivly compete against DY, AY and Blue1? They have a very low cost base, and Flick seems to know what he is doing.



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

Quoting andaman (Reply 2):
To OyKIE:
Air Baltic is planning to open their base in OUL in north, not in HEL. But lets see what happens to that plan.

Why OUL?



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
Do the 717 have enough range to compete to Spain,



No, and that's why they started a code-share with Spanair and are letting them take over the HEL-BCN route

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
It will be interesting to see how Blue1 will react? Will they expand more? More 717's are available. They are a profitable part of SAS


I can't remember last time Blue1 was profitable............


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 5):
No, and that's why they started a code-share with Spanair and are letting them take over the HEL-BCN route

Thank you. I missed that information. Proably a good thing to do.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 5):
I can't remember last time Blue1 was profitable............

In 2007   But I thought they would be profitable this year.My bad



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User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 4):
Why OUL?
http://www.airbaltic.com/public/45198.html

Their plan seems to be to open an "Arctic Gateway" in OUL, to connect arctic airports to Europe via Oulu-hub. But I dont buy that yet.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 5):
I can't remember last time Blue1 was profitable............

True, they hope 717 will get them back to the tracks. Norwegian will not make that any easier.


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Quoting andaman (Reply 7):
True, they hope 717 will get them back to the tracks. Norwegian will not make that any easier.

Should SAS kill the brand Blue1 and just call it SAS Finland? Would that be accepted among the Finnish travelers? After all, Norwegian uses the same brand in Denmark, Sweden and now Finland.



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User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
Does anyone know if these planes will be 737-300 or -800?

According to the Finnish business paper those will be 737-800s.


User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 8):
Should SAS kill the brand Blue1 and just call it SAS Finland? Would that be accepted among the Finnish travelers?

Yes I think it should be simply SASFinland, though I believe they want to keep the more Finnish brand, to be safe. KF originally was Air Botnia, bought by SK and was given the name Blue1 - to poke Finnair.

[Edited 2010-10-05 02:56:26]

User currently offlineokay From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Wow, quite big news, got me totally off guard!

Must say, DY is a lot of words, little action these days. I believe this when I see those planes at HEL, operating those mentioned routes. I remember an other Scandic airline, which was supposed to open a base in HEL, made a huge advert campaign and all, only to go belly up before any of these plans were materialised. I'm talking about Sterling...

But the competition is more than welcome, especially on domestic routes.

I wish them luck and hope this does come true!

Interesting times at HEL nowadays. There is a discussion on flightforum.fi, a Finnish equivalent to a.net about an Asian airline thinking of starting ops to HEL. This is, I emphasise, just a rumour, though.

I guess AY really needs to take an agressive approach in their actions in the future, if they don't want to lose the rase!

okAY


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Quoting andaman (Reply 9):
According to the Finnish business paper those will be 737-800s.

Interesting considering that the MD-90 was considered too large for Blue1  
Quoting andaman (Reply 10):
Yes I think it should be simply SASFinland, though I believe they want to keep the more Finnish brand, to be safe.

Let us hope SK management reads this thread, and react accordingly. They could adopt the Blue1 livery  



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User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
and Flick seems to know what he is doing.

Since when?  

In Estonia they look like headless chicken. They start and close routes overnight. Selling tickets to direct flights from Tallinn and forgetting to mention that these flights are in fact via Riga. Riga-Tartu flight is operated more frequently by bus than by plane. They have officially stated (by their head of PR and marketing, who is Finnish, by the way) that if there are a few seats sold then they just cancel the flight. And the list continues.

By adding the current situation in Latvia (politically and economically) then I would not bet so much on airBaltic.

Sorry for going off-topic. Good luck to Norwegian!  


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
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Quoting okay (Reply 11):
Interesting times at HEL nowadays. There is a discussion on flightforum.fi, a Finnish equivalent to a.net about an Asian airline thinking of starting ops to HEL. This is, I emphasise, just a rumour, though.

I haven't been there for a while ... What Airlines you have been speculating in there?



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User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

Quoting okay (Reply 11):
I'm talking about Sterling...

Not only Sterling, also FlyingFinn, V-bird, FlyMe... I hope Norwegian and EasyJet stay longer!

Quoting okay (Reply 11):
There is a discussion on flightforum.fi, a Finnish equivalent to a.net about an Asian airline thinking of starting ops to HEL. This is, I emphasise, just a rumour, though.

Yes rumours from Asia... I would put my money on Qatar Airways and their A32X next winter season  


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

Quoting Treg (Reply 13):
Since when?

Since they won the Phoenix award from Air Transport World.



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User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 14):
What Airlines you have been speculating in there?

I think TG has got most votes.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4927 times:
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I see =) Well TG sounds logical.

Is DY going to build facilities at HEL for those 3 738's??



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

TG to HEL would make sense...it's the only Scandinavian capital they don't already serve. Besides, if AY is doing well on HEL-BKK, maybe TG wants a piece of the pie. What would they use...A345, B744, or B777?


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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4520 times:
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Quoting EMB170 (Reply 19):
TG to HEL would make sense...it's the only Scandinavian capital they don't already serve. Besides, if AY is doing well on HEL-BKK, maybe TG wants a piece of the pie. What would they use...A345, B744, or B777?

HEL can't handle 744 at the terminal gates and I think the 777 is same story. So A333/2 or A345



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User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
I wonder about the co-operation with AY as well. They have been talking about feeding AY with passengers for their longhaul fleet.

Bjorn Kjos from DY said in the Finnish paper Iltalehti that the talks with AY go on.

About Blue1, they are starting the HEL-TLL service in January. Hopefully they'll put their own 717 on the route, I want to experience the 55nm long hop on that bird!

http://www.balticbusinessnews.com/


User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 20):

HEL can't handle 744 at the terminal gates and I think the 777 is same story. So A333/2 or A345

TG doesn't have A332s...only A333s. I would guess the A345 then, unless the A333 has the legs to make HEL-BKK?



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User currently offlineandaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 22):
I would guess the A345 then, unless the A333 has the legs to make HEL-BKK?

AY uses both A333 and 343 on HEL-BKK so should be ok for TG too. But their A345 is the best, with the generous 36" seat pitch in Y   


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
Blue1. They are a profitable part of SAS.

Since when?


25 zkojh : when we going to see Norwegian fly to MAN or EMA any takers?/ flew on them last year. from oslo to Amsterdam, they need to get some more flights on th
26 Post contains images OyKIE : Thanks for the info You are getting all the fun in Finland. At OSL, all we wonder about is what length will the next arriving 737 have Do they have t
27 Finnaviation : No. All AY longhauls are nonstop.
28 teme82 : As Finnaviation said they are nonstop flights. The A333 don't carry as much cargo as the A343 because the minor range issues with full MTOW from BKK.
29 babybus : One thing about the Scandinavian airline industry baffles me; how come they allow each other to have bases in each others country? You'd think each na
30 Someone83 : It will be operated by Golden Air and their ATRs
31 NAS738 : Not quite the same is it?! DY is an LCC, same as Ryanair, Easyjet etc. and they open new bases all over europe. SK bought Blue1 to get a small foot i
32 okay : The three Scandinavian countries share the same airline, SK. I don't really understand your comment. It is like BA, which has bases at LHR, LGW and M
33 andaman : I was afraid of that... Well at least it will be easier to get cheap flights to TLL now. Now I'm only missing the helicopter service back on on HEL-T
34 LN-KGL : MAN was served from BGO some years ago, but wasn't a great hit. From OSL it will be different ballgame. SAS has today four flights weekly, and in 200
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