dennys From France, joined May 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5858 times:
Airasia X is about to open KUL - ORY in 2011 . Therefore they should get one more second hand A343 ( from VS , hifly , SAS and so on ...
Would some of you know a little more about that ?
Thanks
dennys
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5807 times:
There are plenty of A343 frames on the market. They could get an original 340-311 dirt cheap, or they could get a 340-313X like the two they have now from any of a number of sources, although for more money.
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Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5286 times:
Quoting SB (Reply 4): The routes will be operated on new A332s.
Sorry if I have missed it in another thread, but where will those A332 come from?
All Airasia X's A330 orders direct from Airbus are for the -300 version.
2 of the 3 that AF are removing from storage next year are apparently heading to AY to allow them expand their long-haul services until the A350's arrive in a few years.
tom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4414 times:
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 8): But can these new A332s operate KUL-ORY non-stop ? Or will an en route stop in say, the Gulf, be required ?
Well, KUL-ORY is 5650nm direct, so add maybe 100nm for airways etc gives 5750nm.
For that you will probably want ~ 67 tonnes trip fuel, plus around 9 tonnes reserve, holding etc, which will give you a maximum ZFW of circa 157 tonnes - quite a payload restriction, especially if there are some heavy headwinds on the westbound sector.
Maybe with a enroute reclearance you could squeeze a couple more tonnes out, but not much more.
The A333 will do even worse than the 332 on LR payload (higher OEW, fuel consumption and identical MTOW), so really it can only seriously be economical with an A340.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4384 times:
Quoting tom355uk (Reply 12): For that you will probably want ~ 67 tonnes trip fuel, plus around 9 tonnes reserve, holding etc, which will give you a maximum ZFW of circa 157 tonnes - quite a payload restriction, especially if there are some heavy headwinds on the westbound sector.
These will presumably be 238 t A332s, so you do have 5 t additional payload to work with.
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Missed the 'New' bit - thinking they would be pre Q1 2010 birds acquired from a lessor.
Even so, the payload benefit is only 3.4 tonnes (limited by MZFW) - it still isn't really enough, especially as it will be an economy heavy layout, circa 295 pax?
You could possibly get an almost full payload, but not much cargo.
9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2099 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3343 times:
It is great that AirAsia X (D7) received a lot of queries about their planned Paris flight.
D7 currently has 2 A343s ex-Air Canada in their fleet (kindly bear in mind that AC's former CEO Robert Milton is a shareholder of D7. Sir Richard Branson of the Virgin Group also own 16% shares of the airline). In my opinion, should the airline plans to lease another A343, it should comes from the same source as well. Another point to note is that D7 has mentioned in many news articles in Malaysia that they only considering A343 with the following conditions:
i. A340-300 model ideally with the same CFM engines (with the 2 A343s they are operating now).
ii. D7's CEO will only seriously considering A343 if it is sub $400,000 per month in leasing rate.
From discussion in a local aviation forum, MalaysianWings, it was revealed that there is no A343 that fulfill D7's conditions for the time being, especially lease rate wise. Orly is a bit of an odd destination for D7 because the airline does not ready to serve it when the slots were granted to them. In most cases, D7 has to fight an uphill battle to win slots at their desired airports due to competition and resistance from MH (as in the case of MEL, PER, ICN, HND and the still ongoing epic fight over SYD) hence was more than ready to fly there long before approval is granted.
It was revealed in the same local aviation forum as well that D7 plans to launch ORY on the St. Valentine's Day in 2011 (14 February 2011) and that they will reduce their flight to STN then so that ORY can be served as well without them having to lease an extra aircraft. Deploying the airline's own A333s to ORY and a technical stop in the Middle East are foregone options after their virtual hub plan in AUH was scrapped. D7 served AUH for 4 months only. D7 has 10 A359s on firm order and the first aircraft is expected to enter the fleet in 2016.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3210 times:
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 15): and that they will reduce their flight to STN then so that ORY can be served as well without them having to lease an extra aircraft.
Thanks for all the info!
This seems very counterintuitive. I'd expect they'd make more money continuing to serve STN on the present schedule than by starting ORY.
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9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2099 posts, RR: 21 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3028 times:
D7 has a tough decision to make. If this option is going to materialise, on one hand, they might lose some business by reducing their STN frequency (currently stands at daily flight) while on the other hand, ORY might open up a whole new market for D7.
D7 is feeding its sister airlines within the AirAsia Group (AK, FD and QZ) from Europe to the whole of South East Asia and vice versa. It has been reported many times that some prospective Asian passengers have to resort to other airlines due to problem in getting a visa to catch a D7 flight in STN (among South East Asian, only Malaysian, Singaporean and Bruneian can enter the UK without having to arrange for pre-arrival visa). Hence, another European port with less strict visa regime for other South East Asians (in this case is France and I believe the whole of Shengen area) can bring in a lot of potential new business to D7.
MHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 671 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
I´m backing 9M-MAR´s comments regarding the visa issue !
For asian people living in the Schengen area (or visiting) travelling via the UK ist basically a No-Go due to them needing a visa. (and that´s unfortunately a painful process to obtain a UK visa ! )
...and the Schengen area is a huge - potential - market !
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