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Why Didn't NWA Buy RJ-70's?  
User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

If their RJ-85's can only hold at most 70 people to be able to fly for Mesaba, why didn't NWA order RJ-70's?

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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

From what I hear, NW actaully owns the RJ85's and has leased them out to Mesaba. Their RJ's offer nice leg room and are very spacious and comfortable. If they would have opted for the RJ70 they would not be as comfortable. They basically are used on alot of the rte's that the DC-9-10 were/are used on now.


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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Simple, they weren't even offered when the Avros were purchased. Plus they needed an aircraft that could gfet into short fields and would be a replacement for the DC-9-10. This made a first class a requirement. With all of this the Avro was the only aircraft out there then and still the only one now.

User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1345 times:

So how are the markets for the CRJ and Avros different from each other?

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1337 times:
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CV640...

what do you mean they werent offered.... the RJ70 was most certainly available.

no the real reason is that should a contract change be accomplished the RJ85s capacity will be upped.



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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

The Avros entered service with Mesaba in early 1997, the first 70 seat CRJ is just entering service now, thats over 4 years later, a long time when NWA needed an airplane immediately. So, the Avro was the only aircraft in that category available at the time.

User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

I think some of you are confusing your RJ's. The RJ70 referred to is the Avro RJ70 which was available at the time of the NW RJ85 buy and was in fact purchased by Business Express during this same period. The RJ85's were intended all along to replace the DC-9-10 services. I believe that NW initially wanted the higher capacity. Scope clause limitations ended up restricting their capacity which actually ended up as a bonus for NW. With 65 seats the are the roomiest RJ's around and a serious competitive advantage.


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

When NW bought the RJ-85's, there wasn't a contract limiting the aircraft to 70 seats either

User currently offlineYoungDon From United States of America, joined May 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

So contract negotiations are the real reason that the RJ85's with Mesaba only have 69 seats? That's good because I love those RJ85's and CRJ's and ERJ's, IMO, pale when compared to them in almost every category. (except noise)

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

since we are on the subject of Avro RJ-85s. I live near Detroit and the planes often make their circles for final approach near my house. I see a lot of Mesaba ARJs and i was wondering this:

Often as they circle to final approach, their engines make a very strange sound like they are shutting them down or changing power. It makes a very eerie whine sound, and you can hear them from a long way away when they do that. Are they indeed changing power on the engines when that happens?


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

HllywdCatft,

My guess is that the noise might be caused by the flight spoiler thingies that stick out from the back of the fuselage that are used to slow the planes down. The ARJ has this because it doesn't have thrust reversers. I started a thread about those spoliers a while ago, but i can't find it!



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

i was thinking that too at first, but one day i heard an ARJ do that noise and the spoilers weren't deployed, they were still closed

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4021 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

To address the funny noise question... I am an FO on the RJ85 with Mesaba and that noise you're hearing is probably the flaps being deployed. They do make an awful strange noise, like a train whistle or almost a high pitch roar with the flaps go from 0 to 18 degrees and vice versa. The normal procedure for the airbrake is for deployment at 100 feet, so unless you're under the flight path at 100 feet, that's not what you're hearing. Otherwise the engines are VERY quiet, so that isn't the noise you're hearing either.

True, the RJ85s are owned by NW and leased to XJ. The 69 seat issue is due to the scope clause in the pilots contract. We were wondering the same question whilein England at the factory for training and the best we could come up with was a huge marketing scheme. Which really is a great one, roomy coach seats and the only RJ with first class. Which, since the avro is wider than the DC9 makes for a comfy cabin!

Glad you like the chubby... I do too!

AZJ


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