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UA: Major ORD Tatl Announcement! (Rumor)  
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23474 times:

Apparantely the boys and girls in Chicago and Houston have heard about the new/old AA ORD-BHX service to be announced tomorrow.

Here is the list of ORD-Europe service to be announced by UA in the next few weeks:
MAN
OSL
DME
VIE
LIS (shocked to hear about this one).

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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2304 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23428 times:

interesting! It would be good to see a US flag carrier back on the ORD-DME route, too bad AA couldnt make it work but with UA have a larger prescence perhaps they can make a go of it.

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23285 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
LIS (shocked to hear about this one).

Considering how high the loads on TP's LIS/OPO-EWR services have been, it's quite a good move.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23198 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 1):
interesting! It would be good to see a US flag carrier back on the ORD-DME route, too bad AA couldn't make it work but with UA have a larger presence perhaps they can make a go of it.

Could not UA just code share with LH or BM going to DME? Or do they think that Russia is going to yield some traffic coming to America?



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23201 times:

If UA annonunces ORD-VIE than this will certainly stop OS from returning to the Chicago market.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23029 times:

I'd have to guess that at least some of those will be seasonal. My guess is that LIS and VIE are most likely to be seasonal with OSL being 50/50. They might try DME and MAN year round.


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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23032 times:

Is the market between ORD and VIE larger than the market between EWR and VIE? I'm just a little surprised they would begin VIE from ORD instead of EWR.

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23030 times:
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Quoting miaintl (Reply 4):
If UA annonunces ORD-VIE than this will certainly stop OS from returning to the Chicago market.

Exactly. Myself, I would much rather fly on OS than UA any day just from the inflight service product compared on offer.

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
Here is the list of ORD-Europe service to be announced by UA in the next few weeks:
MAN
OSL
DME
VIE
LIS (shocked to hear about this one).


LIS sounds reasonable given TP is a Star Alliance carrier. Can UA fly this with 75Ws?

Does SK already fly ORD-OSL?


User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23000 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
MAN
OSL
DME
VIE
LIS

MAN, OSL, LIS= CO does well at these locations (2x daily OSL, LIS in summer), no suprise there unless you thought IAD was going to get the flight. All 752's I presume.

VIE is suprising, would have thought EWR unless OS is going to move from JFK to EWR.

DME - might as well take a swing at the route to see if they can make it work vs. AA. UA must have success from IAD.

I guess the "new" cities will come from EWR/IAD. I'd expect IAD MAD as soon as they lose that silly EI deal and possibly BCN. EWR already has CAI.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22993 times:
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Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
LIS (shocked to hear about this one).

There aren't that many Portugese here, but the Portuguese diaspora is enormous.

For instance, there are 400,000 Cape Verdean expats in the US, but there are *only* 600.000 people living in Cape Verde -- the whole country has moved here. And try to get to Cape Verde, Angola, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, or Sao Tome and Principe without going through Lisbon -- it can't be done.

Star Alliance partner TAP has the waterfront covered in NYC, but definitely not in Chicago.

[Edited 2010-10-05 18:55:39]

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22836 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 7):
Can UA fly this with 75Ws?

Probably not year-round, or at least not reliably; it's 20 nm longer than EWR-TXL.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22802 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 9):
There aren't that many Portugese here, but the Portuguese diaspora is enormous.

For instance, there are 400,000 Cape Verdean expats in the US, but there are *only* 600.000 people living in Cape Verde -- the whole country has moved here. And try to get to Cape Verde, Angola, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, or Sao Tome and Principe without going through Lisbon -- it can't be done.

Star Alliance partner TAP has the waterfront covered in NYC, but definitely not in Chicago.

Quite right!

Not to argue semantics, you are mostly right, however you can get to Cape Verde thru BOS on a TACV 757 if you so desire.

Another great routing for those looking to go LIS from the west coast (large Portuguese population in Oakland area) would now be to fly UA SFO-ORD-LIS. This would avoid having to fly some other routing via EWR, or worst case scenario a SATA A310 OAK-TER-LIS, which is done seasonally I believe.



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User currently offlinescorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22800 times:

Thats a lot of new routes, where are they getting the aircraft for this? While UA have spare 744 capability, I don't see ORD-LIS using 747 equipment!

User currently offlineadambrau From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22714 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 7):
Exactly. Myself, I would much rather fly on OS than UA any day just from the inflight service product compared on offer.

I guess it depends on which class of service you fly in. I recently flew OS from VIE-DEL in Y, and the seats were very cramped compared to E+. Luckily while I was sitting in my seat at the gate an agent came up to me and said I would need to change seats and brought me up to C which I have to say, soft product wise, was amazing and much better than UA. If I was flying Y class I would definitely prefer UA on longhaul, and if I was aiming for an upgrade I would probably choose UA as well, and if I had a C class ticket it's a bit of a toss up - UA has better seats but OS has better service and food. I guess we all have different opinions and loyalties and situations, but as a 1K i pretty much always try to stick with UA....


User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22677 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
Apparantely the boys and girls in Chicago and Houston have heard about the new/old AA ORD-BHX service to be announced tomorrow.

Here is the list of ORD-Europe service to be announced by UA in the next few weeks:
MAN
OSL
DME
VIE
LIS (shocked to hear about this one).

I hate to be the one to question you here - but is this coming from the same "source" that promised a UA ORD-GIG application, among other things?

Even supposing all of these routes are indeed launched, I question the success of several of them. Just because there may be *A hubs on both ends, that does not necessarily mean there is an inherent need for the two cities to be linked with nonstop service.

[Edited 2010-10-05 19:10:30]

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22467 times:

Quoting scorpy (Reply 12):
Thats a lot of new routes, where are they getting the aircraft for this? While UA have spare 744 capability, I don't see ORD-LIS using 747 equipment!

Good question. From time to time, on a sub, CO would send either a 762 or a 764 from EWR (even a 777 once during the volcanic shutdown). I would think, with no facts to back this up, that a 767 is a lot of airplane for ORD-LIS, however TP sends an A330 to EWR. Cargo somehow might be factored into that. Alas, TP doesn't have anything smaller anymore since dumping the A310's so its up in the air.

This is all assuming this is a true 'rumor'.



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22407 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 7):
Does SK already fly ORD-OSL?

No SK on the route, would be nice if they were.  
Quoting miaintl (Reply 4):
If UA annonunces ORD-VIE than this will certainly stop OS from returning to the Chicago market.

So true, I hope OS does return the ORD-VIE flights. UA should leave the market to them.


User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22297 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 16):
I hope OS does return the ORD-VIE flights. UA should leave the market to them.

Could not agree more, leave VIE to OS. I would then replace VIE with ATH.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7616 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22256 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 15):
I would think, with no facts to back this up, that a 767 is a lot of airplane for ORD-LIS, however TP sends an A330 to EWR.

I cant see how ORD-LIS would work. Almost all traffic to Portugal from the US is concentrated in Boston, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and New York. Some comes from Florida, but even then ORD doesnt bode well for connections.

I dont believe for a second that UA, AA, or TP would be interested in ORD-LIS.

ORD-DME was a massive failure for AA. I cant see it being drastically different for UA. I did have the pleasure of flying ORD-DME. There were about 40 people on the plane (this was on a Friday in the summer). I paid $600 round trip from LAX-ORD-DME and got upgraded instantly.

ORD-MAN is one I do think would work. BD did very well on it.

UA wont be flying ORD-VIE, however OS could come back to ORD at least on a seasonal basis.

ORD-OSL would be interesting. It could work seasonally.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22255 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 3):
Could not UA just code share with LH or BM going to DME? Or do they think that Russia is going to yield some traffic coming to America?
Quoting fun2fly (Reply 8):
DME - might as well take a swing at the route to see if they can make it work vs. AA. UA must have success from IAD.

Let's not discount the sizeable Russian population in the Chicago area. I'm surprised UA hasn't tried to challenge Lot's ORD-WAW service given the even more ginormous Polish population (largest outside of Poland).

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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22144 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 19):
I'm surprised UA hasn't tried to challenge Lot's ORD-WAW service given the even more ginormous Polish population (largest outside of Poland).

Why would they challenge an alliance partner?



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User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22032 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Why would they challenge an alliance partner?

An alliance partner involved with the Star Alliance TATL ATI, to boot. It wouldn't really challenge LOT, it would just provide additional lift within the ATI and depress yields.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22043 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
MAN
OSL
DME
VIE
LIS (shocked to hear about this one).

MAN = ill buy it w/ Co 752 or EI 332.
OSL= ill buy it w/ co 762
DME = no, dud for AA.. dont see any reason why UA would do better. IAD-DME has not been a smashing success so I doubt they would want to cut into its traffic.
VIE= maybe, would need to be operated by OS 763 or an EI 332 as part of ATI. UA/CO's aircraft are not dense enough or the wrong size.
LIS = dud, very little demand for service to Portugal outside of MA, NJ, FL, and OAK...plus the traffic from these areas is extremely seasonal abd low yeild...plus most of the traffic from MA and OAK is heading to the Azores which is quite a backtrack from LIS...plus too far for a 752.

I think we might see ORD-TLV.


User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21958 times:

good to see them at MAN it was only a matter of time , see that CO already fly there. UA really going worldwide now... shame not 100% on the new colours tho..


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21930 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 21):
An alliance partner involved with the Star Alliance TATL ATI, to boot. It wouldn't really challenge LOT, it would just provide additional lift within the ATI and depress yields.

Now that I think about it, UA on that route would probably be a total failure. All of United's international planes are three classes and LOT has an extra 62 seats in their 767s. Considering the VFR nature of the clientèle, LOT's aircraft and product are almost certainly much better suited to the route that United's.



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25 Blueman87 : yea they will use CO's if they cant uses there's
26 777fan : The 3 v 2 class option and non-daily service was what I was referring to in "challenge" but I suppose if the demand isn't/wasn't already there, they'
27 MAH4546 : The problem with flights between Chicago and thinner markets in Europe like Oslo, Lisbon, Vienna, Birmingham, etc. is that you are overflying New York
28 miaintl : Florida?!?? I dont see any of those secondary european markets having a market in florida. Unless you mean Miami of course, but even there there is n
29 FutureUScapt : Well MIA would count as part of Florida, no? Plus, especially for a city like MAN or BHX, MCO is absolutely a top destination.
30 MAH4546 : And Vienna, Moscow, Manchester and Oslo. Oh, wait, all five of them have Miami has one of their ten largest U.S. O&D markets. Just about any Euro
31 Post contains images deltal1011man : I just don't believe more than MAN could happen. 2x new flights to OSL is a lot of seats and VIE failed from ATL, don't give it much more of a shot f
32 MAH4546 : It's demand is very concentrated on a few spots. But when you take a market like Vienna, which isn't large to the United States in the first place, O
33 miaintl : How would a MIA-VIE flight work? I know miami had service there back in the 90's as a tag on to Munich. But now with new 5x weekly service to MUC year
34 deltal1011man : but the big question is how are the yields? Great demand its great when they wont pay any money. MIA AFAIK is mostly high yielding, MCO has a lot of
35 SCL767 : Most likely similar to other winter charters. OS even operates a weekly B772 flight between VIE and PUJ during the winter. AA used to operate MIA-MAN
36 Post contains images FutureUScapt : Because while it is lower-yielding relative to other cities, it often has the volume of traffic that can help justify the route in the first place. D
37 airsrpska : Good choice! Don't forget large population from ex-Yugoslavia in Chicago area! The best connection to all former Yugoslavian republic from EU is exac
38 LAXdude1023 : MIA is high yield to some places low yield to others. Typically its higher yielding to places in Southern Europe (like Italy and Spain). Its not a pa
39 miaintl : Is UN a charter? I thought it was a scheduled airline.
40 SCL767 : You know very well that it is a scheduled airline. Regardless, MIA is still receiving new flights from multiple carriers. Great to see so many NEW ro
41 miaintl : But is it a point-to-point carrier or this it provide feed on the Moscow end?
42 SCL767 : It is a scheduled carrier that already increased frequency on the route before starting it! Similarly, is XL a point-to-point carrier or does it prov
43 CYatUK : I would expect (hope) to see ATH up there given the large Greek population of Chicago and also the entry of Aegean Airlines in Star Alliance in June 2
44 Arn777 : There is definitely a marked for a ORD-OSL service but from what I have heard this route was stopped by BA - it will not be announced. SAS does not f
45 OA412 : There is. I cannot remember the exact terms of the aid, but it involves reduced landing fees for a five year period after launch. That said, I would
46 laca773 : Moscow seems to be a very hot and cold market. You would think ORD-DME/SVO etc., would work well from there with the huge Eastern European and Russia
47 UAL777UK : Agreed, i would have liked to have seen ORD-ATH early doors, certainly before VIE and maybe LIS. It certainly hope MAN is on the radar and will start
48 iainbhx : MCO (or SFB) is a major destination from BHX, but it's probably best left to the charters. You might be surprised by BHX-ORD, BHX has a reasonable am
49 Seatback : With OW now including S7, it would probably be more of a success for AA if they were to try it now...which wouldn't surprise me. Although I think we'
50 United_fan : So,does anyone know if the 'new UA' will be flying 757's to Europe? Weren't there insurance restrictions against it?
51 airbazar : I can't speak for VIE, but ORD-LIS should be able to operate year round. LIS is a *A hub with service to every major Spanish city as well connections
52 Someone83 : Can COs 757 economically operate OSL-ORD or will the weight penalties be to severe and thus destroying the economic feasability for OSL-ORD with a 757
53 kgaiflyer : Indeed, new service started from Houston to oil interests in Angola was started because there is no other convenient service. On the other hand, all
54 United787 : I think this would definately require one of CO's 2-class 762s or 764s but CO doesn't have a ton of them and A-Netters have been reassigning them to
55 Post contains images danfearn77 : Must be hard for BHX.....to have a premium airport on its Northern Doorstep offering such a good choice of world wide destinations
56 david_itl : There's a suggestion that any ORD-MAN service will not see EWR-MAN drop to daily even though it should be a CO 757 route. And I would think an ORD lin
57 Post contains images gkirk : Liverpool? East Midlands?
58 BMI727 : But then you are trying to support the route with a three class plane and largely VFR and tourist traffic. It would be dicey. I think they have one A
59 AADC10 : [quote=GlobalCabotage,reply=0]Here is the list of ORD-Europe service to be announced by UA in the next few weeks:/quote]Would this be UA UA or CO UA?
60 GlobalCabotage : MAN: Makes sense (* to *), would be nice to see a 763 on this route (I do hear AA may upgrade to 763 due to ATI). OSL: Makes sense (* to *), complimen
61 Pbb152 : That is the rumor in regards to BA stopping AA from operating the route (although I'm not sure if it was confirmed whether AA was looking to start th
62 Cubsrule : It's probably doable in the summer and almost certainly not doable in the winter.
63 Schweigend : The new UA ought to try everything they can from ORD -- yep, go ahead and use ex-CO 752s everywhere you can and see what works. CO already has a prese
64 Cubsrule : How is LO's service to WAW from either New York or Chicago inadequate?
65 BMI727 : Yes, but those flights are scheduled charters for the USAEA and are only open to people from certain companies. I doubt that a scheduled service coul
66 Schweigend : I meant, there may be more service in the offing for UA to WAW. There may be more demand than LOT can handle -- the only way to find out is to test t
67 Cubsrule : Also, Southwest may liquidate tomorrow. What evidence is there that there actaully is more demand than LO can handle?
68 Arn777 : That is correct. I was mixing up AA and UA for a sec - my bad (too many rumors these days...). BA stopped AA from starting a JFK service, from what I
69 kgaiflyer : Whoa! Hey guys, this isn't about Luanda -- it's about Lisbon. The idea in the post above is that there are connecting possibilities in Lisbon, and th
70 WROORD : Because LO is still waiting for their 787 that were due in 2008 and are now scheduled for late 2011, early 2012. In the meantime some leases expired
71 usflyer msp : Which I am not buying as most of these connections would require 12-14 hour connections in LIS as the LIS-Africa flights are also redeyes. There are
72 GlobalCabotage : ORD-WAW does very well on LO. UA and AA can not make this work with their cost structures. If fares were a bit higher, LO could easily fill 3x daily O
73 kgaiflyer : Uuum. Connecting times? UAL hasn't even started service yet, so how could there be connecting times? However, Star Alliance partner Air Portugal (TAP
74 papatango : Wonder what Delta's response will be to all the additional transatlantic service from AA&UA/CO?
75 Viscount724 : You don't have to go through LIS to get to Angola. Apart from DL's new ATL-DKR-LAD service starting in January announced a few days ago, you can also
76 kgaiflyer : Yes, of course. But the theme of *this* thread is potential UAL service. If I remember correctly, Delta service to LAD through Dakar was covered in a
77 airbazar : Wrong. TP has a 12:30 departure from LIS which is a perfect connection from TATL arrivals. This flight exists specifically to connect from their Braz
78 deltal1011man : Nothing crazy. 1) UA/CO haven't added jack. It's all rumors. 2) Delta isn't going to go crazy 3) I'm not expecting much out of DL for Europe. I would
79 IADLHR : Any chance it will be TXL-IAD. There are a number of us who think that is a major link missing from the UA Capital to Capital as UA likes to call it.
80 usflyer msp : hence the word most in my reply and this LAD flight only operates 2x weekly most of the year. Every other African destination TP serves (including mo
81 kgaiflyer : From ORD (this thread) or from IAD? IIRC, CO already serves TXL from EWR with a combination of 752s and 762s
82 Post contains images airbazar : All true but no different than any other European carrier and TP is still 9-12 weekly vs only 2x weekly by AF/LH/BA. By the way the 12:30 departure o
83 LAXdude1023 : MAN and seasonal OSL would be good. I cannot fathom why UA would be crazy enough to do ORD-LIS. There is virtually no local market and all the market
84 Post contains links airbazar : And California but those markets are primarily VFR and UA is better off leaving that traffic to US and SATA's Summer routes. Premium traffic between
85 kgaiflyer : When *so much* is said in such a short space, it gets confusing to the reader. For instance, some may find these statements contradictory.
86 LAXdude1023 : There isnt enough traffic west of Chicago to fill a plane outside the summer. Even then, the yields would be trash.
87 airbazar : Not really, the first statement was regarding to ORD-LAD, and the second was regarding EWR-LIS. What's contradictory about it? Chicago is not that fa
88 AADC10 : The U.S. carriers have tried to avoid market share races to prevent yields from falling domestically. The might show similar restraint overseas and n
89 peanuts : I think we will see some restraint for now. However, GVA for me is a no brainer for DL. Now that UA and CO will combine on that route, DL needs to ma
90 MAH4546 : No, its not. It's a small market and largely going to New York City, the typical government traffic to D.C., and Miami, which is a popular base of op
91 airbazar : True but wouldn't it be cheaper to just up-gauge the current EWR service from a 757 to a 767 and funnel all East Coast traffic through one gateway? L
92 LAXdude1023 : This is a better suggestion. Thats because there really isnt any significant amount traffic from west of the Mississippi to Portugal. If ORD-LIS coul
93 airbazar : But it's not just Portugal. It's all of the Iberian peninsula. And yes, anything more than a 757 would be overkill.
94 flybhx764 : Was anything actually confirmed from UA about any new routes or are people making rumours?
95 sq_ek_freak : Isn't LIS a traditionally low yielding route though?
96 SurfandSnow : Nothing yet. The only exciting new route thus far is IAH-ASE (flown by a UAX/SkyWest CR7). Hopefully we'll get news of cross-fleeting, new routes, et
97 C010T3 : Considering how high the loads have been, there's no way for it to be low-yielding, unless TAP abandoned yield management.
98 BMI727 : Or they've had to sacrifice yields to fill the plane. Just because a flight is full does not mean that yields are good or that the flight is profitab
99 airbazar : They are more expensive than anyone else between the US and Portugal, and that's surely because the low fare seats sell out quickly and they still ma
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