SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11993 times:
THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XXXVI
The civil aviation in Panama
Tocumen International airport is the main gateway to Panama and practically dominated by the operations of Copa Airlines.
The following are the current international flights departing out of Panama City in terms of weekly services:
CM PTY-GRU.............................21x
CM PTY-GIG................................7x
CM PTY-CNF...............................5x
CM PTY-MAO..............................3x
CM PTY-EZE.............................17x
CM PTY-COR..............................7x
CM PTY-MVD..............................5x
CM PTY-SCL.............................14x
CM PTY-VVI................................4x
CM PTY-LIM..............................28x
CM PTY-UIO..............................14x
CM PTY-GYE.............................14x
CM/P5 PTY-BOG.......................33x
CM/P5 PTY-MDE.......................26x
CM/P5 PTY-CLO.......................27x
CM/P5 PTY-BAQ.......................11x
CM/P5 PTY-CTG.......................10x
CM/P5 PTY-BGA.........................3x
CM/P5 PTY-PEI...........................6x
CM PTY-CCS.............................21x
CM PTY-VLN................................7x
CM PTY-MAR...............................7x
CM PTY-HAV..............................28x
CM PTY-SDQ.............................28x
CM PTY-STI.................................4x
CM PTY-PUJ..............................11x
CM PTY-SJU..............................14x
CM PTY-POS...............................7x
CM PTY-KIN.................................2x
CM PTY-PAP................................2x
CM PTY-MIA...............................21x
CM PTY-MCO.............................21x
CM PTY-IAD.................................6x
CM PTY-JFK.................................7x
CM PTY-LAX...............................14x
CM PTY-MEX..............................19x
CM PTY-CUN..............................14x
CM PTY-GDL.................................4x
CM/P5 BOG-PTY-SJO-GUA.........7x
CM PTY-SJO-TGU.........................7x
CM PTY-SJO-SAP.........................7x
CM PTY-MGA-SJO........................7x
CM PTY-SJO-GUA........................7x
CM PTY-SJO.................................7x
CM PTY-MGA-GUA......................14x
CM PTY-GUA................................28x
CM PTY-MGA-SAL.........................7x
CM PTY-SAL.................................14x
AA MIA-PTY...................................21x
AA DFW-PTY...................................1x
NK FLL-PTY.....................................3x
CO IAH-PTY...................................14x
CO EWR-PTY..................................7x
DL ATL-PTY.....................................7x
4C CTG-PTY....................................7x
4C PEI-PTY......................................6x
S3 CCS-PTY....................................7x
TA SJO-PTY-MDE...........................3x
TA SJO-PTY....................................11x
TA SJO-SAL.....................................7x
IB MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD...................4x
KL AMS-PTY.....................................5x
AIR PANAMA PAC-DAV-SJO.........3x
Highlights from the last edition:
August 09: MX MEX-SJO. Reduction from 11x to 7x
August 09: MX CUN-SJO 4x. Dropped
August 16: P5 BOG-PTY-SJO-GUA. New flight.
August 28: MX MEX-SJO 7x, MX MEX-GUA 14X, MX MEX-SAL 7X, MX MEX-PTY. Dropped
September 05: NK FLL-SJO. Reduction from 12x to 7x
September 16: CM PTY-MEX. Increase from 12x to 19x.
September 27: MW BZE-CUN, MW BZE-SAP, MW BZE-GUA. Dropped.
Time for arroz con gandú and the fresh edition is already running !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8266 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12036 times:
Quoting juanchito (Reply 1): There was also big changes with Iberia
Iberia recently entered into a code-share agreement with TACA in order to strengthen its Central American network.
Iberia launched flights to San Salvador in El Salvador from 2 October. The airport will become a new distribution center for Iberia, with connecting flights to other regional destinations such as Managua, San Pedro Sula and Tegucigalpa through a code-sharing agreement with TACA Airlines. The four new weekly flights, on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, will also allow travellers to connect to other Central American cities with TACA, and to other European cities from Madrid with Iberia.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11955 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2): Iberia recently entered into a code-share agreement with TACA in order to strengthen its Central American network.
This fact did not start as recent as described. The code-share agreement IB-TA is active since some years backward.
The new topic is the utilization of SAL as the new connecting center for the triangular IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8266 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11898 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3): This fact did not start as recent as described. The code-share agreement IB-TA is active since some years backward.
Same with the code-share between AV and IB.
This November, TACA will code-share on Sky Airline SCL-LIM route 5x weekly. On December 15, 2010, TACA will launch LIM-BSB 3x weekly (E90) and on Janurary 14, 2011, TACA will launch LIM-ANF 3x weekly (E90) .
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11886 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4): TACA will code-share on Sky Airline SCL-LIM route 5x weekly. On December 15, 2010, TACA will launch LIM-BSB 3x weekly (E90) and on Janurary 14, 2011, TACA will launch LIM-ANF 3x weekly (E90) .
Let me include the following routes posted into the thread number 35.
TA LIM-MDZ 3x weekly. Starting on December 01st
TA LIM-MIA 7x weekly. Starting on December 01st
TA SAL-TGU-MIA 7x weekly. Starting on November 15th
It's good to see that expansion on TACA, but the disadvantage consists in many routes allowing no more than three weekly flights out of Lima: TA LIM-POA, TA LIM-MDZ, TA LIM-ANF and TA LIM-BSB.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8266 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11886 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5): It's good to see that expansion on TACA, but the disadvantage consists in many routes allowing no more than three weekly flights out of Lima: TA LIM-POA, TA LIM-MDZ, TA LIM-ANF and TA LIM-BSB.
Soon TA LIM-SLA will join that list. At the rate that both TA and LP are growing at LIM, a second runway will become essential for future growth. Also, it's good that our northern airports are receiving more international flights. Chile has invested a lot of money towards our secondary airports throughout the country, including ARI, ANF, CPO, IQQ, LSC, etc.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11850 times:
I don't follow this thread that much so don't know if this has been mentioned:
Dutch Antilles Express will soon start flights to PTY and codesharing with CM as well. Flight details as follows:
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11830 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 7): I don't follow this thread that much so don't know if this has been mentioned:
Dutch Antilles Express will soon start flights to PTY and codesharing with CM as well. Flight details as follows:
9H 925 CUR PTY F100 ETD1715 ETA1830
9H 926 PTY CUR F100 ETD1945 ETA2300
Days of operation: Mondays & Saturdays
I didn't know that.
Roger, have you got information about when the PTY-CUR service will start later?
We have here discussed a lot concerning to the lack of services on CM PTY-CUR, since the airline launched CM PTY-AUA.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5159 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11809 times:
I know a drop in the bucket.....but....
AA has already included in their schedule one additional Dallas flight on Saturdays only during Feb, Mar, Apr, Jun, Jul and Aug next year to BZE...that would take it to 8Xweekly at various points in the year from DFW
Preemptive strike against F9 maybe.....nevertheless those DFW flight do very well for AA
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11788 times:
Hey! You forgot AV's 14x weekly BOG-PTY flights.
I'm glad TACA is adding more non-stops to MIA. They have been getting quite a beating from AA and NK in south florida. I mean, how come TA only flies 1x E-190 a day between SJO and MIA?
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11785 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 8): Roger, have you got information about when the PTY-CUR service will start later?
As far as I know the first flight is still scheduled for October 9th (this coming saturday).
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 8): We have here discussed a lot concerning to the lack of services on CM PTY-CUR, since the airline launched CM PTY-AUA.
Beats me, I've been asking myself that question for years. Now CM will even add SXM...
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11764 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11): how come TA only flies 1x E-190 a day between SJO and MIA?
I don't know the answer as Central America-US is under the Open Skies treaty.
TACA/LACSA faces both AA MIA-SJO 28x weekly and NK FLL-SJO 7x daily.
Prior to the entrance of Spirit Airlines in 2007, TA/LR did operate one extra daily flight serving MIA-SJO. That pure daylight flight was active on LACSA since the 70s and I've never understood the withdrawal of that operation.
In my view, TACA has a successful venture in Miami serving TA SAL-MIA, TA SAL-GUA-MIA, TA SAL-MGA-MIA, TA SAL-TGU-SAP-MIA, TA SJO-MIA and the seasonal TA SAL-RTB-MIA.
TA LIM-MIA 7x weekly comes on December 01st and TA SAL-TGU-MIA on November 15th.
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Quoting A388 (Reply 12): Now CM will even add SXM...
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11741 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 13): TA LIM-MIA 7x weekly comes on December 01st and TA SAL-TGU-MIA on November 15th.
When did they announce this (LIM-MIA)? I'm guessing it will be flown by A319? I'm also glad that they are separating TGU and SAP, they really deserved non-stops.
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 13): TACA/LACSA faces both AA MIA-SJO 28x weekly and NK FLL-SJO 7x daily.
Prior to the entrance of Spirit Airlines in 2007, TA/LR did operate one extra daily flight serving MIA-SJO. That pure daylight flight was active on LACSA since the 70s and I've never understood the withdrawal of that operation.
In my view, TACA has a successful venture in Miami serving TA SAL-MIA, TA SAL-GUA-MIA, TA SAL-MGA-MIA, TA SAL-TGU-SAP-MIA, TA SJO-MIA and the seasonal TA SAL-RTB-MIA.
Maybe MIA is indeed succesful, but they are way behind the competition. I mean, NK is always the third player in any of the markets they are serving except SJO. TA need to be more competitive, and I guess some important decisions will be coming from Bogotá in the near future.
In other news, CM's subsidiary, P5, has been fiven the name Copa Airlines Colombia, in an effort to consolidate the panamanian carrier's branding:
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11697 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 14): When did they announce this (LIM-MIA)?
I read it yesterday for the first time and here in the forum.
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 14): I'm guessing it will be flown by A319?
TA LIM-MIA will be served with 320.
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 14): they are separating TGU and SAP, they really deserved non-stops.
American Airlines offers AA MIA-SAP 13x weekly with 738 and AA MIA-TGU 7x weekly with 757.
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 14): NK is always the third player in any of the markets they are serving except SJO. TA need to be more competitive, and I guess some important decisions will be coming from Bogotá in the near future.
It's a good point. NK FLL-SJO operated as 12x weekly during the US summer break whereas TA SJO-MIA is 7x weekly year-round.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11560 times:
TACA will launch the third-daily LIM-CUZ service:
TA 011...........LIM 11:45..............CUZ 13:05..................Daily
TA 012...........CUZ 13:50.............LIM 15:15...................Daily
Starts: January 03rd
TA LIM-EZE will experience extra flights in that route:
TA 125............LIM 21:58...............EZE 05:23................Tu, Th
TA 124............EZE 05:23..............LIM 08:13.................We, Fr
Starts: December 02nd
As a result, in selected days TA LIM-EZE will deploy two flights at night out of LIM for a new total of 17x weekly services.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11430 times:
Planned operations on Copa Airlines for the coming high season:
Oct 29: CM PTY-GYE. 738 replacing 73G temporary on 1x daily till Dec 31
Nov 15: CM PTY-UIO. 738 replacing 73G temporary on 1x daily till Dec 31
Nov 26: CM PTY-IAD. 7x to 6x weekly
Nov 27: CM PTY-GRU. 738 on all 3x daily flights.
Nov 28: CM PTY-VVI. 4x to 6x weekly.
Nov 28: CM PTY-MAO. 3x to 4x weekly.
Nov 29: CM PTY-AUA. 3x to 4x weekly.
Nov 30: CM PTY-CNF. 4x to 5x weekly.
Nov 30: CM PTY-MVD. 5x to 7x weekly. Reversed plans on 2x daily.
Dec 01. CM PTY-PUJ. 11x gradually increased to 17x weekly
Dec 10: CM PTY-CUN. 2x to 3x daily.
Dec 13. CM PTY-AUA. 73G 1x weeky + E90 3x weekly.
Dec 15: CM PTY-COR. 738 replaces the 73G temporary.
Dec 15: CM PTY-HAV. 28x to 35x weekly.
Dec 15: CM PTY-STI. 4x to 5x weekly.
Dec 15: CM PTY-SDQ. 4x to 5x daily.
Dec 15: CM PTY-LIM. The 73G remains on all the 4x daily flights. No more E90s there.
Dec 15: CM PTY-LAX. 738 1x daily + 73G 1x daily
Dec 15: CM PTY-MCO. 3x daily till Feb 28
Dec 18: CM PTY-SXM. 2x weekly. New route
Jan 01: CM PTY-SDQ. 5x daily: 2 73G + 3 E90
Jan 01: CM PTY-SJO-MGA 1x daily. 73G replaces 73G/E90 mix.
Jan 01: CM PTY-SJU. Planned E90 replacing 73G on 2x daily flights: canceled.
Jan 01. CM PTY-SCL. Planned 73G replacing 738 on 2x daily flights: canceled.
Jan 02. CM PTY-GDL. Planned E90 replacing 73G: canceled.
Feb 16. CM PTY-MEX. 19x to 14x weekly.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11418 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 19): its really amazing how CM is doing in HAV
CM PTY-HAV already worked as 35x weekly and during the weak season thier frequencies were temporary reduced to 28x weekly.
CM PTY-SDQ is the surprise increasing their frequencies to 35x weekly as well.
As a matter of fact, both Havana and Santo Domingo are the stellar Caribbean destinations on COPA.
2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2006 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11338 times:
NH studying B787 NRT-PTY - In Spanish, from www.prensa.com
Panamanian newspaper reports The Panama Tourism Authority keeps saying that NH is studying a possible NRT-PTY B787 non-stop flight next year. 20-30% PTY O/D traffic, rest to feed CM hub. Flight would go 4 times per week
IMHO, it's quite unlikely NH could allocate 2 of its very own brand new B787 for such a new and odd route. For Panamá and NH, best is to start with a NRT-ANC-PTY widebody 3-4 times per week and from there upgrade to B787 non-stop, whenever there's demand.
Panama to improve airports In Spanish, from www.prensa.com
Panama is to invest several millions in airport improvement. Major improvements will be in DAV, ONX, PAC.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11255 times:
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 21): best is to start with a NRT-ANC-PTY widebody 3-4 times per week and from there upgrade to B787 non-stop, whenever there's demand.
no way they would start ops via ANC, if a stop than in MEX, specially after JL resigned from MEX.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4078 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11194 times:
Planned operations on TACA for the coming high season:
November 01: TA SAL-GUA-MCO 3x weekly. Discontinued: January 15.
November 11: TA SAL-SAP-JFK 4x weekly. Discontinued: January 15.
November 15: TA SAL-TGU-MIA 7x weekly.
November 15: TA SAL-SAP-MIA 7x weekly.
December 01: TA LIM-MIA 7x weekly; 320.
December 01: TA LIM-MDZ 3x weekly.
December 02: TA LIM-EZE 15x to 17x weekly.
December 02: TA LIM-GYE 7x to 10x weekly.
December 02: TA SAL-MGA-MIA 7x to 14x weekly Discontinued: January 15.
December 05: TA SAL-MIA-RTB 1x weekly. Discontinued: January 16.
December 15: TA LIM-ASU-MVD-LIM 2x weekly + TA LIM-MVD-ASU-LIM 2x weekly
December 15: TA LIM-ASU-LIM 3x weekly.
December 15: TA LIM-MVD-LIM 5x weekly.
December 15: TA LIM-BSB 3x weekly; E90.
December 15: TA LIM-SCL 7x to 14x weekly. Possible code-share with Sky Airlines -unconfirmed-
January 03: TA LIM-CUZ 14x to 21x weekly.
January 04: TA LIM-ANF 3x weekly.
Regards.
"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
25 Aviopic: Air Panama has signed a mou for 2 F70's. Start of operation is sceduled for Dec.2010 Nice for the spotters in the area I guess.
26 Avianca: PTY-NRT will be not nonstop... thats why it has somenthing to do with it. for ANC at least transit visas for the US are needed + MEX has now with JL
27 2travel2know2: F.Y.I. ANC is the only airport in the U.S.A. that doesn't require U.S. visas for in-transit passengers.
28 SJOtoLIR: AeroMexico is operating the AM MEX-TIJ-NRT 3x weekly service. . TACA will begin to launch the San Salvador - Chicago O'Hare service as daylight fligh
30 mt99: Wouldn't this dove tail with the flights to GUA? Arrive to ORD from SAL at 19:35PM, and then leave for GUA at 2AM? I havent run through all the logic
31 yellowtail: You talking liek the aircraft would do SAL-ORD-GUA and the other GUA-ORD-SAL?
32 mt99: Yes.. i think thats what i mean. lol.. Not sure if days and time allow for that .. thought
33 viaggiare: TACA has announced SAL–LIR nonstop 4x weekly service effective 01DEC as follows... TA224 SAL0855 – 1040LIR ATR 13 TA225 LIR1125 – 1310SAL ATR 13
34 SJOtoLIR: The new TA SAL-ORD 2x weekly will complement TA SAL-GUA-ORD 3x weekly. I'm not sure if this would be the planned move regarding the current operation
35 yellowtail: Competing with all the non-stops from N. America they are going to have a tough time if that is their strategy. Americans would much rather connect a
37 SJOtoLIR: US CLT-LIR.........1x weekly -seasonal- UA ORD-LIR........1-2x weekly -seasonal- F9 DEN-LIR.........1x weekly -starting on February 13th- AA DFW-LIR.
38 laca773: Will this have weight restrictions? Wouldn't it be better to operate this flight with a A319? Wouldn't this new flight be more successful operating a
39 SJOtoLIR: The 319 covers similar routes: NK FLL-LIM............ 2283 nm F9 DEN-SJO...........2095 nm TA LIM-MIA.............2267 nm . TA SAL-ORD 2x weekly woul
40 2travel2know2: IMHO, CM wouldn't go for the B767 even if it could be available within months of placing an order. Rumors are CM is waiting for the B787. Althought t
41 SJOtoLIR: When CM participated as SkyTeam associate airline, UX tried to launch the PTY-MAD service implying a CM/UX interline agreement and involved in such a
42 CM767: AM has push back the start of MEX-PTY until February
43 wingedtaurus: Anybody know is AM will fly to GUA now that Mexicana is gone?
44 juanchito: We really don't know we went from 24 weekly flight Mexicana and Taca combine to just 10 weekly from Taca, I heard a rumor that maybe Interjet and not
45 SJOtoLIR: Interesting ! InterJet did operate in the past GUA-TLC 7x weekly and GUA-CUN 3x weekly with 320. Regards
46 juanchito: Yep problem is that they operated to TLC and know they want to operate from MEX, so they need permissions. Juanchito
47 yellowtail: Never quite understood how FLL could be closer to LIM than MIA.....logically it would be 15 miles further.
48 CRFLY: Looks like TACA is running short of airplanes as some of its A320 leases expired... Besides all the Ireland "EI" registrated airplanes, which some are
49 Summa767: In LIM, they should get some relief from 1st December as Aerogal takes over TACA's UIO's 2 daily route, as well as the extension to MDE once daily. A
50 laca773: Oh my. I thought TA's fleet was larger than this. I do feel they need more A319s for the longer routes as the A320s take a hit on weight. They need t
51 yellowtail: about to take a direct hit from Hurricane Richard here in BZE (in about 2 hours) ...airport is now officially closed. In'tl Flight ops scheduled to re
52 2travel2know2: AA aircraft couldn't take off before the airport closed or that's a morning arrival from MIA?
53 SJOtoLIR: Brilliant post; thanks for sharing the information! I'm still puzzled about how is LACSA operating SJO-LAX 4x weekly and SJO-JFK 3x weekly, taking in
54 CRFLY: TA's A320 are IAE-powered while AV's are CFM-powered! I don't think TA would like to go back to the CFM's like in the earlier 1990s when Lacsa operate
55 SCL767: I really like 2K's new color-scheme. I got to see the A-320 at UIO last month. IMO, 2K is doing a very good job in advertising their new modern fleet
56 Steeler83: What does CM currently fly to AUA now? I know Reina Beatrix high season starts soon and lasts for a couple of months. And that's also the rainy seaso
57 SJOtoLIR: The weak intended plans are rather focusing into TA SJO-MAD; not TA LIM-MAD, TA UIO-GYE-MAD nor TA SAL-MAD. IB SJO-MAD certainly offers a daily fligh
58 SCL767: By that time, UX will be operating into SJO. Also, other carriers may launch other services between Spain/Europe and SJO. Then again, it depends on w
59 viaggiare: MIA–LIM = 2267nm while FLL–LIM = 2283nm so obviously it isn't. I wonder if they're also running short of cash. Who knows... the new head honchos
60 juanchito: Aparently a small airplane crash in La Aurora and airport has been closed for 1 to 2 hours. I got in time out of Belize, I left on Saturday. Juanchito
61 carmenlu15: Was that in the early morning by any chance? Both the ORD-GUA and the LAX-GUA arrivals were rerouted to SAL this morning; that usually happens due to
62 juanchito: Nop it was at noon a small biplane crashlanding. Juanchito
63 RCS763AV: Wow. I had never heard of UX having plans of flying into SJO. What I did hear about a long time ago was a potential AF/KL flight but with PTY doing s
64 SCL767: UX already operates into HAV, LIM, PUJ etc. SJO is definitely on their radar, as are other destinations in Latin America. LA just added three more no
65 yellowtail: it used to be a 762 in the old TA days....i could work with the right sked and right fare. 102MPH at my house....right by the airport....still no pow
66 juanchito: Good to see that you are Ok. They even invited me to a Hurricane Party but have to be in El Salvador this week. Juanchito
67 viaggiare: I don't think this is something they can put a timeframe on, quite frankly. So many variables that can change —more so in the current environmentâ€
68 2travel2know2: A reply to a quote about UX in SJO, but suddendly SPAM about LA flights between SCL and MAD. I apologise fellow a.neters but SCL767 please respect th
69 carmenlu15: Oh, that's for sure... Hmm... I'll be staying with family in Heredia if I go, but would like to visit other parts of the country... as long as the ro
70 bjorn14: I was pleasantly suprised to learn that the ONX's pax terminal is being upgraded after hearing from A.netters that it should be a cargo-only airport.
71 SJOtoLIR: You're welcome ! . TACA adds extra flights on San Salvador - Mexico City service from 7x to 9x weekly: TA 232...........SAL 19:15..............MEX 21
72 laca773: Their competitors used to offer one-stop,direct service via GUA or SAL. All of those flights are gone now and the only direct service on LAX-SJO is T
73 SJOtoLIR: I second that. Some press releases had stated old plans in order to launch UX MAD-PTY and it happened when CM was forming part of SkyTeam as associat
74 juanchito: San Pedro Sula was the first Central American Airport to receive Continental with the new United name. Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
75 RCS763AV: That doesn't mean they have plans to fly to SJO. For that matter, CCS, MEX, GUA, CLO, CTG, BOG, UIO and many others could be potential destinations.
77 2travel2know2: Panamá-Canada bilateral limits CM to only operate thrice weekly between PTY and YYZ (don't know if the Canadians restriction applies specifically to
78 SJOtoLIR: From what I've read before, the intended TAME flying the UIO-PTY and GYE-PTY segments will complement the current CM PTY-UIO 14x weekly and CM GYE-PT
79 aer: Quick question that might be off topic, but with all the mergers and buy outs in South America, why hasn't TA integrated a little the operations of Vo
80 juanchito: I have the same question when Azacarraga and Slim selled their shares the one who buy that 50 % of Volaris was Kriete sister, she has a mexican natio
81 2travel2know2: Then even if the Mexicans sold their Volaris stock to another Mexican, that Mexican is actually one of the TA owners family. Nice, the company remain
82 Avianca: at least from LIM they have very good fares to NRT what is btw a big market. I was on AC YYZ-LIM flight earlier this year and the flight was packed,
83 SJOtoLIR: TA owns some shares from Volaris [Y4], but their operations don't seem to be involved in any interline agreement. Some years ago, Y4 operated at TLC f
84 juanchito: And the 7x weekly to 10 weekly GUA-MEX Juanchito
85 aer: Hmmm, curiouser and curioser. And granted a good portion of their routes are at GDL, another whole for TA. Still I think something could be worked ou
86 carmenlu15: The agreement with Tame is several years old (around 2007 I think). While the agreements have remained the same after the alliance, there are big cha
87 viaggiare: For your reading enjoyment, local daily Al DÃa ran a story today on the progress of the construction work at SJO... click here (slow to load so be pa
88 yellowtail: DL has finally appointed a GSA in BZE. This should help them get more BZE orginating traffic.
89 SCL767: Unfortunately, foreign airlines cannot place their codes on routes to the Galápagos. Sorry if this is unrelated to Central American Aviation, but ju
90 aer: Exactly code sharing not a type of direct hold on market share, which TA has with Volaris
92 juanchito: Roberto Kriete owns 25% of Volaris and his sister owns another 25% she has Mexican Nationality Juanchito
93 SCL767: OK, thanks for the clarification. Similar to M7, of which LA owns 40% of the company. Very interesting...
94 SJOtoLIR: Thanks for sharing that video ! I've indirectly realized that Spirit is now flying the NK FLL-SAP 3x weekly as pure daylight services. When NK starte
95 yellowtail: Can't wait to take a snap of the new United here. I am truly surprised that Nk has managed to hang on in SAP.
96 SJOtoLIR: TAM ceased its code-share participation with TACA in 2007 for selected routes within Brazil and matching TA LIM-GRU: JJ GRU-GIG, JJ GRU-SSA and JJ GRU
97 2travel2know2: Maybe it's time now for a once per week seasonal LAX-BZE?
98 SJOtoLIR: If I remember correctly, DL LAX-MGA 1x weekly and DL LAX-LIR 1x weekly were also in service around 2007. CO EWR-BZE 1x weekly has sadly disappeared fr
99 yellowtail: IT was more of a hedge against B6, DL or AA doing anything...and unlike IAH, CO never made a real attempt to make it work. But loads were OK....it ev
100 laca773: The 762ERs are great for long, thin routes like BOG-LAX-BOG which is now up to 5 times a week. Does anyone know TA's new schedule for the early dayli
101 SJOtoLIR: Regarding the Central American landscape, CO EWR-SAP 1x weekly (Saturdays), CO EWR-LIR 1x weekly (Saturdays), CO EWR-SAL 1x weekly (Saturdays) and CO
102 laca773: Thanks for the information, SJOtoLIR. I appreciate it. Will TA use a A321 on SAL-LAX-SAL and AV a A320 on BOG-SAL-BOG? Saludos, Jeb LACA773
103 SJOtoLIR: TA 529 LAX-SAL 4x weekly utilizes the 319. TA 528 SAL-LAX 4x weekly utilizes the 319. AV BOG-SAL-BOG 7x weekly utilizes the 319. TA SAL-LAX deploys t
104 aer: Well since AV-TA and CM will be going into *A, how will this loot for us the pax? A nice duopoly in the region with no contest what so ever and in the
105 2travel2know2: CM website press release here In English What a surprise, CM and TA/AV in the same alliance. As in Politics, Aviation alliances make strange bed-fello
106 yellowtail: Well hopefully now I can get onepass miles for my TA flights!
107 SJOtoLIR: Superb day for the Central American aviation ! Bring Belikin, Gallo, Pilsener, SalvaVida, Toña, Balboa and Imperial. A little region from the world i
108 carmenlu15: I was reading my email at work earlier today... "things to do, notifications, more things to do, notif-- what, the, heck?!?!" Woohoo!
109 carmenlu15: One question for my fellow chapines... I'm getting a visitor on Sunday, what good spotting sites would you recommend? I've only been to the TA hangars
110 viaggiare: ......quote from the Official: AV/TA + Copa Joining Star thread. Same here, I just don't see these two getting along... but what makes you think a mer
111 B747_A340: Go to hincapie and say you are either going to Aerocharter, La Academia or Ritmod and they'll let you in...
112 juanchito: That's what I did some time ago. I went un Saturday and parked my car in fron of ETMA and walk about 100 meters and I have a full view of the runway,
113 aer: My favorite place was actually one of the top floors of the Crown Plaza (Hotel Las Americas). Actually the bathroom at the 14th floor has the best vi
114 juanchito: There is a terrace go to the Spa and ask the girl attending if it is open. If not she will open it for you. Juanchito
116 yellowtail: I can report that DL will open a ticket office in BZE December 1. Sales staff are hired and headed to ATL for training. Looks like they will be taking
117 SJOtoLIR: Speaking in revenue terms, the love between [TA-Star Alliance], [TA-AV], [TA-United], [TA-Lufthansa], [CM-P5], [CM-Star Alliance] and [CM-Continental
118 2travel2know2: As easy as to stop some of the daily PTY-GUA flights a couple of days per week in LIR. LIR may prove to be a good destination to combine with GUA tou
119 SJOtoLIR: TACA and LACSA are modifying their services to Mexico City: San Salvador - Mexico City. 9 to 13x weekly. TA 234............SAL 08:35..............MEX
120 yellowtail: ALTA 2010: Tropic Air plans expansion to Honduras and Guatemala http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ans-expansion-to-honduras-and.html
121 mt99: So was in SJO yesterday waiting for a flight to Lima, and the airport looks very very nice. Very impressed! However, whats up with the prices at the f
122 aer: Nice, and I hope that they keep FRS and start GUA
123 2travel2know2: Find it on another forum that CM is going to lease 10 B737-800 over the next 2 years. Can't find source yet. Press release may have been timed to the
124 CM767: It was posted two days ago in Copa´s site: http://www.copaair.com/sites/gs/en/n...es/copa-airlines-signs-leases.aspx
125 2travel2know2: On other Panama related news, Air Panama has 2 F70 on PAC Albrook Airport tarmac over the past few days. Seems that Air Panama has flown those to DAV,
127 viaggiare: We are all hoping increased competition (there is now 150% more available floor space for airport concessions) will bring down these outrageous price
128 carmenlu15: Guess I know what to expect then... better stock up on the plane! lol
129 SJOtoLIR: The new immigration area indeed gave a fresh environment to the terminal as shown: Regards.[Edited 2010-11-21 19:22:43]
130 2travel2know2: Copa's hub touted as ideal link between economic powerhouses: Asia and LatAm This is a very interesting interview of CM Vice President Commercial and
132 2travel2know2: Could he be the person who has kept KIN and PAP at twice weekly for the past few years and the very low, almost non CM operations/destinations in the
133 SJOtoLIR: Perhaps implying ANA in Panama City... . TAME will officially start services in Panama City as follows: Guayaquil - Panama City EQ 508...............
134 2travel2know2: That's if NH gets delivery of its 1st B787 ontime. If the Panamanian Civil Aviation and Tourism Authorities plus CM are so desesperate to get an Asian
135 SJOtoLIR: AeroMexico plans to launch Mexico City - Panama City early in 2011. CM PTY-MEX holds the AM code in 14 of their 19 weekly flights. . Copa Airlines add
137 2travel2know2: That's definitely not because PTY-CUN O/D traffic!
138 SJOtoLIR: I've only heard about Toronto, Vancouver and Panama City as the possible next destinations planned by AM at this time. It's quite strange how the MX
139 viaggiare: LMAO sarcastic but so true. He called the B787 a game-changing aircraft especially in serving Asia to Panama which would “open up Latin America, bi
140 viaggiare: Almost six years behind schedule and a process plagued by numerous obstacles —most notably the infamous Alterra Partners circus clowns— finally ph
141 viaggiare: There has been increased chatter of late among local professional networking circles, suggesting a new round of combined efforts by both the Costa Ric
142 2travel2know2: Does SJO have enough room to hub an airline operation or base a new airline? Do that Chilean/Brazilean aviation combine know that? And if they go ahe
143 viaggiare: It all depends on the size and scope of the operation, now doesn't it? Anyway keep in mind they're not done with that airport just yet. You might com
144 2travel2know2: It's not Albrook I'm talking about, but Howard. I know they're not done with SJO yet, but where is the room to build a 12 jetway concourse there?
145 viaggiare: I see.. so you were off by 77° then. The real estate is there, albeit limited, even for a more ambitious undertaking.. but they need to send clunky
146 viaggiare: Having said that, I still haven't seen what the newly updated airport master plan looks like so it's pretty much all speculation at this point.[Edite
147 SJOtoLIR: Both SJO and BOG are currently experiencing shortage of capacity for the future expansion plans of TACA - AVIANCA. In my view, the new areas inaugura
148 2travel2know2: I'll have to add that in my own personal opinion - shared with many Panamanians - PTY Tocumen airport new concourse isn't enough either. So somehow,
149 2travel2know2: Panamanian government to rebuild ONX Colon France Field Airport from www.prensa.com - in Spanish MECO, a Costarican company, same who's doing DAV Male
150 viaggiare: So real estate merchants huh? Is that what they call my esteemed colleagues and developers over there these days? By the way, it's Costa Rican instea
151 2travel2know2: Start using Twitter and see how easy is to make up words. Remember that Panamá has places named "Salsipuedes" and "Aguadulce", so joining words toge
152 viaggiare: Accessing certain social networks and having places named Puntarenas and MalpaÃs in my own country has not impaired my respect for the correct spell
153 yellowtail: I understand from several people who went to ALTA that DL was publicly annoyed with TA/AV and CM for both going to star..... I guess I would be too...
154 yellowtail: For any of you that have flown domestically in Belize....Gov't of Belize will embark on a complete overhaul of Belize City Municipal (TZA)...runway ex
155 2travel2know2: Maybe LAX-BZE or SFO-BZE and IAD-BZE would make more sense than ORD-BZE. But maybe BZE could support flights from all of those UA/CO hubs, surely, no
156 yellowtail: LAX yes, huge O&D SFO no, too far west to be viable connection point and too far north for the SoCal VFR ORD yes, third biggest VFR market behind
157 PlunaCRJ: I am glad they will, currently Maya Island Air´s building overshadows TropicAir´s one. And the terminal building is one of the few service differen
158 viaggiare: Whoa! And how much is TA charging these days? Great news. Must be very encouraging for those entrepreneurs with remote ecotourism projects. Now what
159 SJOtoLIR: CO EWR-BZE 1x weekly was shelved in the past. I'm not clear why would CO/UA add one new station serving BZE. Speaking about the sizeable BZE-IAH mark
160 CM767: Copa orders 32 737-800: http://www.copaair.com/sites/gs/en/n...pages/copa-airlines-32-boeing.aspx
161 2travel2know2: Still could be all B737-800 or assorted B737 if CM wants to. This commercial transaction is the largest ever between Panama and the U.S. And yes, CM i
162 viaggiare: It should be noted that the deal consists of 22 firm orders and 10 options which may or may not be exercised.
163 yellowtail: no. TZA will only ever be domestic. Runway will only be extended to 3800 ft. Actually Tropic has had plans to build one for many years but has kept p
164 2travel2know2: Kepp your expectation low, if CM ever tries BZE it'll most likely be w/E190.
165 SJOtoLIR: New flights in Central America starting today: December 01st: TACA REGIONAL SAL-LIR..........4x weekly EQ GYE-PTY..................................3x
166 viaggiare: Let me rephrase that.. how much do they charge for connecting service to IAH through SAL? Some investments in public infrastructure actually do pay f
167 CM767: Even a 175 will be great. You are right, although the wording from CM's press release sounds like it is certain that they will end ordering all of th
169 yellowtail: BTW...does anyone know how that redeye SAL-IAH is doing for TA?
170 SJOtoLIR: TA SAL-IAH 7x weekly has co-existed, in spite of CO IAH-SAL 14x weekly. Same with TA SAL-DFW 3x weekly and AA DFW-SAL 5x weekly. Back to the original
171 2travel2know2: PTY attracts investors From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Major Panamanian newspaper reports it as "Tocumen Airport attracts investors" when the same ne
172 SJOtoLIR: KLM keeps the AMS-PTY-AMS service as 6x weekly. From March 28th to June 05th, the flight is not operating on Fridays in Panama City. From June 06th ti
173 2travel2know2: Wouldn't be surprised it has something to do with the PTY-AMS-TLV traffic.
175 aer: Since the thread has been quiet, there is a news report in Spanish that AM wants to start flying to GUA again by the first semester of 2011. Included
176 yellowtail: MW's ATR is down for major maintenance in GUA so they are using an old (non G1000) Caravan on GUA/CUN-BZE....oh....think I will skip that one..especia
177 2travel2know2: PanatropolÃs This is a very well done video about a huge development south/southeast of PTY airport. What looks like a future modern suburb of Panama
178 aer: According to airline route, DL will start a second GUA-ATL flight with a 73W. Dunno if it's seasonal, but i guess it will improve connectivity as it w
179 yellowtail: about time....DL has been in GUA...what 15 years?
180 SJOtoLIR: Celebrating four long years of the Central American aviation thread ! December 14th 2006 - December 14th 2010 First edition: Central American Aviation
181 viaggiare: If the airport serving the single most populous metropolitan area in the Americas can get by with two runways —albeit pushing both to max capacityâ
183 RCS763AV: I get your point. But the investment required to build two runways also has to be guaranteed by large amounts of traffic that will pay the landing fe
184 CM767: Do not agree, MEX has capacity problems, one big issue is that no simultaneous operations can be performed because of the separation is not enough. P
185 SJOtoLIR: TACA took delivery one more brand new Embraer 190 LR series on December 02nd. Registration: N988TA. Thus, one E90 is based now at LIM and covering TA
186 2travel2know2: How big % of those airports passengers actually have immediate connections? The only real hub airport among those is DXB and because the way it was de
187 viasa: HR-IAY was re-registrated to HP-1679APP some time ago. Not sure if YN-CHG of La Costeña also operates as TACA Regional.
188 RCS763AV: LHR and YYZ are HUGE transfer hubs, BRU and MIA also have their share of transfer passsengers. I can agree on JFK and EZE, but fact is PTY doesn't ha
189 CM767: I do not see the need for additional runways in PTY at this moment, but in 20 years one parallel will be needed, that's only my opinion. By the way t
190 2travel2know2: Where's that PTY Master Plan? It's a new one or one from the time the airport terminal moved from the old one to the then new one? I remember seeing
191 CM767: Here you go, is a new one: http://www.slideshare.net/ptpblog/to...en-international-airport-expansion
192 2travel2know2: Interesting PTY Master plan, will need some time to digest what's positive and negative about it.
193 viaggiare: And that master plan forecasts under 11 million pax by 2020. Valid point. Reality check. Must've been drafted by those greedy real-estate merchant/de
194 CM767: That is funny, and actually it is true, since one of the developments that are going to surround the airport its been promoted by the government. The
195 SJOtoLIR: TACA is expanding their domestic services within Peru: TACA Lima - Jualiaca TA 003.........LIM 16:35.............JUL 18:15..............Daily.........
196 viaggiare: Can we infer anything from this, or do you see it as purely circumstantial?
197 SJOtoLIR: From my standpoint, TACA is utilizing a new strategy this year in Peru developing new routes and frequencies for the domestic traffic. For years, TA
198 viaggiare: There was an incident yesterday involving a vintage Vietnam War-era helicopter that is well-known among local aviation enthusiasts. According to the s
199 viaggiare: The update on TI-AZM is that she will be shipped to Florida and spend a month there for repairs. Source: La Nación. — Happy Holidays to all!
200 SJOtoLIR: The 200-mark is reached once again! The new edition is already loaded: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 37 (by SJOtoLIR Dec 24 2010 in Civil Avi
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