ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11389 times:
This also confirms that AA is going to make more announcements as to additional flying. One daily roundtrip on JFK-BUD and one daily roundtrip on ORD-HEL doesn't justify that many pilot and F/A recalls.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10812 times:
Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 5): Are the pilots pure recalls or flow throughs from MQ?
That's a good question. AA's (should really say AMR's) recall/furlough policy is a bit funky but it seems to work. If I am not mistaken, when an AA guy is asked to go on furlough, they can either take the traditional route or go down to MQ (thus displacing and MQ pilot). They all have AMR employee numbers, not AA/MQ, also. My best guess is that it is a combo of MQ flow through and those that took the at home furlough.
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tothestars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10098 times:
Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 5): I wonder how many of the initial 545 recalled f/as will take the recall. A lot of the furloughed f/as have moved on and are now now with other airlines or have completely left the industry
I think a large number of the 545 will return. After this group there are still about 600 left on the list before AA can begin hiring off the street again. Most of the folks that have moved on to other airlines were the most junior folks that TWA hired, they didnt have as much time invested as the rest of us. Hopefully everyone that wants to go back will be able to...I'm in the last most junior group and haven't decided if I want to go back. I was in my 30s when I was furloughed by AA on Nov. 1st 2002...I hear quite a bit about air travel has changed.
tothestars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9942 times:
Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 12): I believe the last group of furloughs will "drop off" the recall list in Feb 2011.
Not with the two year extention that Senator McCaskill brokered with American. Trust me those that have been waiting to be recalled know when they fall off the recall list.
Euless, Texas — Laura Glading, President of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants (APFA), issued the following statement regarding the recall of 545 furloughed Flight Attendants.
“We are extremely pleased with the recall of 545 Flight Attendants. It has been a long and difficult struggle for these furloughed Flight Attendants and we are thrilled that they will be back on the job. APFA has worked tirelessly (yeah right) in urging American management to recall all furloughed Flight Attendants.
“We’d also like to thank Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO). Her assistance was instrumental in APFA extending the recall rights of the Flight Attendants who are currently furloughed. Without this extension, many of these employees would have lost the right to return to their jobs at American Airlines; instead 545 Flight Attendants will soon be back at work. For those who will remain on furlough, this extension continues to offer them the hope that they too will be able to resume their careers at American. APFA will continue to work with American until each and every one of the remaining furloughed Flight Attendants is back to work.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3036 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9639 times:
Quoting tothestars (Reply 14): We are extremely pleased with the recall of 545 Flight Attendants. It has been a long and difficult struggle for these furloughed Flight Attendants and we are thrilled that they will be back on the job.
Only because it means more income for you, Laura. You couldn't give two craps less about the ex-TW F/As.
tothestars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9555 times:
Quoting nwaesc (Reply 15): After almost 8 years? What's keeping you from deciding one way or another when you number is called?
There are a tons of things to consider...leaving the relative stability of the job I've had for the last six years. Moving to another city or commuting since St. Louis is now toast. Taking the chance that I wont be furloughed again within a year, like the last group without any furlough pay, and having to find another job...yet again. What to do with pets? etc...Having never been "integrated" before I was furloughed I'd be going back to a job and a workforce that is very different than the one I left...and being junior which is another ball of wax...
Anyway I will have decided before my number is called.
7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8453 times:
Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 18): Laura's income isn't determined by the number of FA's active, FYI
No - but union's are a big scam and the more numbers they get - the more dues they get.
It's government supported fraud.
The next time there is an industry down turn or God-forbid terrorist attack - the union won't be there for anybody.
They never are.
I speak from 20 years experience with several different unions.
tothestars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8240 times:
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 20): Aren't/Weren't there about 4000 TWA F/As on the recall list? I may very well be wrong... I would love to work for AA when they hire F/As again but they have a 6'0" height limit so I can't
There were originally around 4000 TW F/A's and the most junior 1500 fell off the 5 year recall list unfortunately before we were able to get extentions, and we tried,,, because our union 101 philosophy was/is that an injury to one is an injury to all...apfa didnt see it that way.
and as far as height limits I know that AA's limit used to be 6'0" back in the 80's I think it may have changed... I am 6'2" and it certainly never hindered my job with TW.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8156 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 9): It could be because of attrition as well. AA hasn't hired pilots or FAs since before 9/11.
They have not hired anyone off the street since winter of 2001 but you have to imagine how many retirements there have been since then, in addition to all the 738s they've gotten. All "new hires" have been MQ pilots.
Not sure how long it will take for them to actually have to go to the general public. My guess is a few years.
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 20): Aren't/Weren't there about 4000 TWA F/As on the recall list? I may very well be wrong... I would love to work for AA when they hire F/As again but they have a 6'0" height limit so I can't.
Do yourself a favor, go work for DL. They would love to have you and as far as I know, tehre is no height limit. I've seen F/As standing at least 6'4".
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flyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8128 times:
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 20): What an immature thing to say. The only people who use the term "SCAB" are those people who are mad and upset that they can be easily replaced during a strike.
Perhaps, then, you need to do a little research. The "coalition of flight attendants" comprised of former TWA fa's sent a letter to the AA union stating that they would gladly, willingly, cross the picket line in the event of any work action brought on by APFA.
But, I digress. This is a happy day for the former TWA recalled fa's that choose to return to flying for AA. I have the pleasure of working with many of them that are currently based at ORD, and look forward to again working with the many wonderful fa's that were based here and will hopefully return to ORD soon.
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 20): Aren't/Weren't there about 4000 TWA F/As on the recall list?
Prior to this recall, there were 1342 on the recall list.
I recall from a previous post you have applied or intended to apply with an airline.. (maybe European?) and hope that went/goes well for you.
25 m11stephen: Thank you, I'm currently pursing a college degree as something to fall back on and will apply to airlines once I complete that. As anyone who has fol
26 FURUREFA: They weren't. It's not like when the time to furlough came around, AA and the APFA decided to single out former TW flight attendants; it was decided
27 usafdo: I have a TWA friend that had 18 years, went to AA, then got laid off. Anyone know if that is enough seniority to get recalled?
28 tothestars: assets are bought...people are merged...even the apfa's very own lawyer Rob Clayson said that what they did was wrong.
29 FURUREFA: I'm not disagreeing that it was wrong, I'm simply saying that post-merger/acquisition, TW f/as were treated no differently than native AAers who were
30 777STL: Yes, I realize that. I meant income to the union, I should have been more clear. Exactly my point. I'm not quite sure why you're attempting to insult
31 MileHighOffice: Great news! Always glad to hear more jobs being created -- especially for airline employees. Tough business. Too many good people lost their livelihoo
32 AA767400: Then you know how great IAM was. The TWA flight attendants represented by their union, the IAM, agreed, at the request of American Airlines, to waive
33 FlyASAGuy2005: I wouldn't blame them. Where were their "brothers ans siters" when they were stapled to the bottom. If I was in that position I would have done the s
34 m11stephen: I've never confronted a rude or unfriendly senior F/A (or any F/A for that matter) but its not economically feasible to have F/As stick around for 20
35 kimberlyrj: I was called this when I chose not to strike at BA – not a nice term. I think this is wonderful news for AA it means they must be forecasting a boo
36 tothestars: Oh I finally get it ...So in theory, because the IAM left the car unlocked...the APFA should NOT be held responsible for totaling it and leaving it o
37 413X3: You speak as someone with an axe to grind because of personal reasons and too emotional to think rationally.
38 AA767400: Nice theory. Fact is, you can't ONLY blame AA/APFA for your loss of seniority after the takeover. IAM has just as much blame. TW was a sinking ship,
39 tothestars: I'm in my mid forties...I doubt my time has come and gone...but it is nice to reminisce about Rome. Have you been or are you only domestic.
40 777STL: Good luck. I don't know that I'd want to go back to AA only to be working STL-ORD and ORD-MCO 10x/day.
41 crAAzy: That's a good question. If I remember correctly last time there was an FA recall AA went significantly farther down the list but I don't remember the
42 L1011Lover: The same could be said about pilots (who by the way make significantly more money than FA's), baggage handlers, ground staff, ... nurses, doctors, po
43 usafdo: Will former TW F/A's with 15 or 20 years of TW service always be at the bottom of the AA seniority list, or will they be slotted in? Are they will get
44 FURUREFA: B-scales seem to work in principle, which is why both current employees and management loves them. In reality, however, b-scales really hurt morale;
45 flyfree727: Which is not any different than is is today. Max pay is achieved after year 15. ORD/DFW domestic reserve is around 20 years. ORD and DFW internationa
46 usafdo: If any of the TW F/A's are LOD's, does that get them to better bases?
47 ckfred: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't AA basically tell its unions and TWA's unions to work out integration, but do so by a date specific. If there was
48 m11stephen: Good for you for not striking. It shows that your mature and actual care about your company. Kudos to you. In what other job do you have someone with
49 MQTmxguy: I sure hope it includes the former AA pilots currently at Eagle. It'll give some of the junior F/Os at Eagle a better shot at upgrading, and the Flow
50 Bennett123: If there have been no newbies since 2001, then the average age must be increasing. Will this create a problem further down the line. Also whilst all o
51 AABB777: It will be a great day when AA can finally hire new blood cabin crew. Granted, AA does have some great crew to date, however letting some newbies into
52 ckfred: Actually, the RLA benefits management more than unions. If you look at AA, the F/As have asked to be released into the cooling-off period. Management
53 L1011Lover: Well... in ANY other job that I know of and have some insight! I'm a registered nurse and flight attendant and almost became an English and Art teach
54 L1011Lover: Well that's totally incorrect! There certainly is a career ladder to climb. It may vary from airline to airline but promotions can include (at differ
55 WNCrew: I'm sorry but shouldn't EVERYONE expect to be treated with respect? I see a double-standard that get's more BOLD by the year whereby pax act as if th
56 L1011Lover: And don't you think they do deserve respect? Just as much respect as anybody else deserves? They deserve as much respect as I expect them respecting
57 usafdo: Does anyone know how man TW F/A's are left to be recalled?
58 crAAzy: It's in the posts above ... take a second to read through them for the details.