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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 12127 times:

More here: http://www.ajc.com/business/lawsuit-accuses-delta-pilot-663911.html

Fair use: Delta flight attendant Jeanette French claims in the suit filed Friday in Fulton County State Court that pilot Loren Gus Pryor attacked her during an overnight layover in the African city. The Georgia woman claims the pilot from Texas was among a group from the Delta flight who were swilling beer taken from their aircraft and that they were making a scene while they were poolside at the Pullman Teranga Hotel in August 2008.

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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 12013 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):

"What happens in Dakar doesn't necessarily stay in Dakar."



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2375 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 11950 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):
Two years later she files a suit?

As long as it is within the legal limits. There was probably negotiations between the parties that could ultimately not be agreed to. Highly unlikely an FA would file a BS lawsuit in a situation like this.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 11578 times:

After reading that story I doubt her lawsuit goes very far. Delta has investigated and dismissed her claims, the EEOC dismissed her claims, and I assume the authorities in Dakar felt her accusations were baseless since there was no mention of any action taken in Dakar where the incident occurred. It also mentions that Delta and another FA are named defendants along with the pilot, so it is pretty much her against the world. Since this case seems to be basically a he said she said situation and the incident occurred several thousands of miles away it will be awfully difficult for her to prove her case. Not sure why she decided that she was going to be the moral compass for other grown adults anyway.

User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 11437 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 4):
Not sure why she decided that she was going to be the moral compass for other grown adults anyway.

Not clear why she decided to tell them to cool it. Maybe she considered them friends and was trying to warn them. Maybe a hotel employee asked her to give them an unofficial warning (I've seen it happen "One of your crew members is doing X but we'd rather not make a scene could you warn them before it escalates anymore and we have to act?"). Personally I would have just left the area gone to my room so that if they got busted I wouldn't be lumped in with them.


User currently offlineiaherj From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 11411 times:

From what I know about the Delta layovers in Africa, this behavior is common. The crews are there for multiple days often and are basically held hostage at the crew hotel due to the violence and crime in the area. The airline turns their head to the fact that alcohol is often taken from the galleys of the planes by the crew because they know that either way, the galleys are going to be raided one way or the other. The ground handlers are going to steal what the crews don't take to the hotel. As far as the partying getting out of control, well it is a he said she said event and it sounds, on the surface, like this FA was somewhat of an outcast in the group and has decided get some revenge.


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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 11292 times:

Quoting iairallie (Reply 5):
Not clear why she decided to tell them to cool it. Maybe she considered them friends and was trying to warn them. Maybe a hotel employee asked her to give them an unofficial warning (I've seen it happen "One of your crew members is doing X but we'd rather not make a scene could you warn them before it escalates anymore and we have to act?"). Personally I would have just left the area gone to my room so that if they got busted I wouldn't be lumped in with them.

We weren't there so its hard to judge, but based on that article it appears that the only scene was caused by the FA. There is no mention that anybody other than the FA took offense to what was going on with the other crew members and I assume that would be the first thing out of her mouth to give credibility to her story if it had happened. I doubt that the FA was asked by the hotel to intervene given the outcome of the situation. If she had been doing the hotel's bidding (considering the relationship the airline has with the hotel on international layovers like these) I have to assume that the FA would not be accusing DL of covering up for the pilot. I'm not certain, but in a place like Dakar I think there is also dedicated security provided to keep the crew safe that could have easily intervened if a situation were to occur with the crew. I definitely agree with you that if it were me I would have just walked away.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17447 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 11214 times:

Alcohol is not illegal in Senegal  


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User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 11214 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 7):
but based on that article it appears that the only scene was caused by the FA.

Um did we read the same article? There was no mention of a scene by the FA only that she told the rest of the crew to cool it. Normal people would react by ignoring her or cooling it. The pilot (is alleged) to have caused a scene by reacting belligerently and violently. Addtionally the article suggests that the pilot and crew were acting in a way that could be classified as causing a scene.

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 7):
There is no mention that anybody other than the FA took offense to what was going on with the other crew members

The article leave pretty much all the details out. Just because something wasn't mentioned in the article doesnt mean it didn't happen. The fact is we just don't know beyond what the article does say.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

Quoting iairallie (Reply 9):
Um did we read the same article? There was no mention of a scene by the FA only that she told the rest of the crew to cool it. Normal people would react by ignoring her or cooling it. The pilot (is alleged) to have caused a scene by reacting belligerently and violently. Addtionally the article suggests that the pilot and crew were acting in a way that could be classified as causing a scene.

Based on the article, the FA telling the rest of the crew to cool it is what created the fracas. The FA is making accusations about what was going on before she intervened, but there is no mention of the hotel or local authorities saying anything the crew was doing was out of line. If they had, you can bet that the FA would have included that in her story not to mention it would have also likely resulted in Delta and EEOC reaching different determinations in their investigations of the situation.

Quoting iairallie (Reply 9):
The article leave pretty much all the details out. Just because something wasn't mentioned in the article doesnt mean it didn't happen. The fact is we just don't know beyond what the article does say.

As I already mentioned, we weren't there so we don't know exactly what happened. But the absence of certain critical details are quite telling. You can bet if the local authorities had gotten involved it would be part of the article and we also would have heard about it before now. The point is, whatever the crew's actions were prior to the FA jumping in were not that offensive and even their actions toward the FA afterward were not that offensive since the local authorities didn't get involved.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

it really bugs me that anybody can file a lawsuit for any reason..she should just get over it. not a big deal. let's keep it movin folks..

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 10):
But the absence of certain critical details are quite telling.

Wouldn't be the first time a news report left out "certain critical details." All is is "telling" of is that the journalist or editors didn't include them, not of their existence.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10950 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 12):
Wouldn't be the first time a news report left out "certain critical details." All is is "telling" of is that the journalist or editors didn't include them, not of their existence.

True, could just be bad journalism. But like I mentioned before it would have made the news long before now if a Delta pilot was cited in a foreign country for inappropriate behavior by the local authorities. So, I am going to feel 99% confident that the fact that critical detail is nowhere to be found, that it didnt happen, and if it didn't happen whatever happened was nothing more than a minor incident. Remember, this woman is not only claiming that she was assaulted but that the pilot was 'out of control' in a public place (pool side with other crew, hotel staff, and i assume other guests). Neither incident apparently rose to a level that the local authorities intervened. And we do know for a fact that both Delta and the EEOC determined there was nothing to see here.

I repeat I do not know what happened over there, but using the limited information provided I still feel strongly that her case will not get very far.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

I just re-read the article, to make sure I was clear on what I read and this stood out to me at the end...


She is also claiming that Delta failed to maintain her complaint in confidence because it was all over Delta by November. Yet she mentions in her complaint that the entire incident took place in front of other pilots and FAs. This just leads me to believe she is not totally in touch with reality, because anyone who has a modest amount of experience flying would know that pilots and FAs love to gossip amongst themselves. I have overheard them untold times on flights, in the gate area, and even in hotels. I am sure this incident would have been all over Delta the day after they returned from Dakar, or even before they returned if another crew was at the hotel that departed on an early flight. So, to think Delta had anything to do with spreading it around or that they could have prevented it from spreading around just tells me she is not completely in touch with reality.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

Yep...she has no chance...she shouldn't get a dime...


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 9336 times:
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Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 14):
She is also claiming that Delta failed to maintain her complaint in confidence because it was all over Delta by November.

It has been my experience that management does an excellent job of keeping employee disciplinary actions and/or complaints confidential.

However, it has also been my experience that the complaining employee and/or one being disciplined tends to shoot their mouth off to anyone willing to listen, and that's how the stories get around.



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User currently offlineN49WA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

One of the first questions that popped into my mind was: Did the same crew (including the complaining F/A) work a return flight? If she was so upset that she asked to be returned to the USA with another crew, or as a passenger, I would give her the benefit of the doubt until more facts are known. If she did work the return with the same crew, I would seriously question her motives.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 9086 times:
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From the article:

The suit claims the airline contributed to French's distress by failing to properly investigate the alleged incident and then telling her she might have to fly with Pryor again.

I'm not sure how she's arrived at the conclusion that the company didn't investigate this properly, however it's worth noting that there is absolutely NO problem with advising her she may have to fly with that person in the future.

DL, like any company, has an expectation that their employees will treat customers and each other with dignity and respect. If the company decided that the actions of that pilot warranted anything other than discharge (discussion, counseling, suspension, etc) then they have every right to expect that these co-workers could work together in the future.

Being required to professionally work with and carry out your duties alongside someone you dislike or are uncomfortable around does not constitute a hostile work environment if that person is no longer behaving inappropriately.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 8835 times:

Quote:
Eubanks wrote in the suit that her client is suffering "fear, anxiety, worry and severe emotional distress"

Two years after a rowdy confrontation (assuming there was one)? What a tool.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):
Two years later she files a suit?

Often times, especially when dealing with a union, it takes a long time for something to actually make it to a court. Especially if nobody backs you up along the way.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):
I smell some bullshit here

I'm pretty sure I stepped in some reading the article. The F/A is quite clearly not all there, or she's just looking for a payout so she can retire early.

Slept for two days because of the stress? Give me a break. Insomnia is the usual reaction from an assault like she alleges.

And:

Quoting iaherj (Reply 6):
The airline turns their head to the fact that alcohol is often taken from the galleys of the planes by the crew

That happens all the time, at every airline, at every station.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 8732 times:

Last I heard through my sources, both are still with DL; the pilot a 4 striper on the T7.

My best guess is that she didn't win it out so now she will use the last resort in the form of a lawsuit. The American way...



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5156 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Best part of all of this is that the reporter has positioned the one-sided story such that the f/a was trying to "warn" her co-workers that "alcohol was illegal" in the "Muslim country".

As pointed out above, alcohol isn't illegal in Senegal, which isn't a "Muslim country", although it has many Muslim residents.

Indeed, the hotel the crew stayed in has TWO BARS, one of which is near the pool: http://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-...man-dakar-teranga/restaurant.shtml

Pathetic, amateur journalism.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 20):
Indeed, the hotel the crew stayed in has TWO BARS, one of which is near the pool:

Actually 2 bars and a seedy dance club. There is plenty of alchohol flowing in DKR. What else is there to do there for three days besides fighting off the beggers when you go to dinner or swimming in the sewer water on the beach? Oh I forgot, you could count all of the malaryia infected mosquitos you swat at...

This whole thing is b.s. and I'm wondering how DL is going to react to her taking it to the media now. This is a violation of company policy and one that could lead to her dismissal from the company, a dismissal that would be appropriate in my opinion.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Sadly 727forever, I see DL using the 'ole play book on this one. I can see them suspending her due to "conflicts of interest" but I don't think she will get terminated just yet. Not with a massive union vote going on as we speak. It may leave a bad taste in other's mouths and make them say "well, they can just up and fire you but with the union at least you will have a lawyer". Reality is if it is serious enough, the union cannot save you.


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User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3386 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Quoting 727forever (Reply 21):
This whole thing is b.s. and I'm wondering how DL is going to react to her taking it to the media now.

Who's to say she took it to the media? Once she filed a suit, it became a matter of public record. It's not unreasonable to think that someone from the AJC would see it, decide it made for an interesting story, and ran with it. besides, if she was "taking it to the media," why'd she decline comment?



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User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
Slept for two days because of the stress? Give me a break. Insomnia is the usual reaction from an assault like she alleges.

You're right in saying insomnia is the usual reaction in stressful times. However, a smaller but significant percentage experience hypersomnia during stress / depressed states.

I would not use that statement in judging the validity of her claim. Also, using the old "what a wimp, she should get over it like I know I would" argument doesn't go very far in court. We're humans, it's a natural reaction to think that way. But no one was there when it happened and, more importantly, no one really knows what that flight attendant went through when the other crew member alledgedly grabbed her by the shoulders and used threatening language.



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25 Post contains images catiii : Cue the "if only AFA were on the property, they would protect her/this would never happen" crowd.
26 flymia : I have heard about a absurd law suit claim AA FA made towards an AA captain. Something about racism. Long story short the FA had no case so it does h
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