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Aero República Rebranded As Copa Airlines Colombia  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8720 posts, RR: 5
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
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Today, after 17 years of operations, Aero República was rebranded as Copa Airlines Colombia. The name change serves to unify the image of both airlines. Roberto Junguito Pombo, the new president of Copa Airlines Colombia states that, "Our new brand will drive the airline's growth and profitability, boost its image on an international level and align it more closely with Copa Airlines." The newly branded airline incorporates the destinations, route networks and services that Aero República and Copa Airlines both offer, including access to the Hub of the Americas in Panama. Copa Airlines Colombia will continue to fly to all of Aero Republica's domestic and international destinations.
http://www.copaair.com/sites/cc/en/n...ges/nueva-marca-copa-colombia.aspx

Analysts regard the change as being consistent with the growing consolidation trend in the global aviation market, according to which companies are seizing the biggest name in the market. Similarly, due to the imminent entry of LAN Airlines into the local market through the acquisition of AerOasis, it is appropriate for Copa to unify both airlines under one corporate image.
Link in Spanish: http://www.larepublica.com.co/archiv...-copa-airlines-colombia_112126.php


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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

I envisage that Copa Airlines Colombia will rebrand its name to the isolated Copa Airlines later, like a resemblance of Avianca and its subsidiary in Brazil.

Regards.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Well, the name change was bound to happen sooner or later, and it was time for CM to consolidate it's brand in the country. Good for them.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8720 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4573 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
I envisage that Copa Airlines Colombia will rebrand its name to the isolated Copa Airlines later, like a resemblance of Avianca and its subsidiary in Brazil.

However that does not apply to 2K. I agree that CM should have does this earlier, and they knew it would eventually occur especially since Colombia and Panama will soon have OS. P5 will operate less domestic flights with-in Colombia and funnel more P5 operated flights into PTY in order to maximize connections.

Unlike most other Latin American carriers, LAN Chile decided that only one brand strategy program should be implemented in order to identify brand attributes and positioning. This became evident when LAN Chile created the LAN umbrella brand whereby all LAN affiliates' identities were exactly the same as LAN Airlines, thus highlighting the brand's attributes and positioning it in the region and world. This new brand strategy was implemented at every single touch-point within the company and now LAN is the sixth most globalized company in Latin America. The firm is also the most international airline in the region.

Currently, LA operates SCL-BOG-SCL 2x weekly and SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL 3x weekly. LP operates LIM-BOG 12x weekly, LIM-UIO-CLO 3x weekly, LIM-UIO-MDE 4x weekly and LIM-CTG 2x weekly. Therefore, LAN already has an established brand in Colombia. LAN Colombia will serve to strengthen LAN's brand not only within Colombia, but worldwide as well.



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

In my dream world they would be painting the E190 into AeroRepublica's first color scheme.
But as long as they keep flying and being good at it I am happy.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
P5 will operate less domestic flights with-in Colombia and funnel more P5 operated flights into
PTY in order to maximize connections.

That hasn't been stated by airline officials. It's pure speculation.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8248 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4116 times:
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when is Copa Clombia getting 737's and flying to Miami ?

User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):

They already have 2 737 flying to MEX, don't know yet when to MIA, they say they will have a third one before year end.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Talking of things colombian (I could not find the Colombian thread that had been created), it looks like AV will drop BOG-LAX as from the coming January.
It will offer connections via SAL.

AV will retire its remaining 762s, with which it currently serves LAX. The A330s looks like its too big a plane for this route, plus it can feed Taca at SAL.


User currently offlineScorp82 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
Talking of things colombian (I could not find the Colombian thread that had been created), it looks like AV will drop BOG-LAX as from the coming January.
It will offer connections via SAL.

AV will retire its remaining 762s, with which it currently serves LAX. The A330s looks like its too big a plane for this route, plus it can feed Taca at SAL.

Is this information from a reliable source? Or is this just a rumor based one someone's opinion that AV can use SAL as a connection hub for certain routes?

I think it would be a shame if AV dropped LAX. AV re-launched LAX with 3 weekly frequencies if I'm not mistaken and now they're operating 5 frequencies. I know the A330 would add significant seat capacity, but AV can also adjust the weekly frequencies accordingly as well.


User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 9):
I think it would be a shame if AV dropped LAX. AV re-launched LAX with 3 weekly frequencies if I'm not mistaken and now they're operating 5 frequencies. I know the A330 would add significant seat capacity, but AV can also adjust the weekly frequencies accordingly as well.

In my view, it makes sense of logic considering that AV BOG-LAX is 5x weekly whereas [AV BOG-SAL and then TA SAL-LAX] and back is available on a daily basis.
The AV LAX-BOG is of course more comfortable taking into account that non-stop service, but the possible withdrawal of AV BOG-LAX 5x weekly might rather justify the new AV BOG-SAL with 319, in case of weak load factors in such segment.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 9):
Is this information from a reliable source? Or is this just a rumor based one someone's opinion that AV can use SAL as a connection hub for certain routes?

It is certainly not just based on an opinion. Of course not!
I have heard it from within AV itself, and have checked myself on AV's website, an the BOG-LAX route does not currently appear from 20th January onwards.

Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 9):
I think it would be a shame if AV dropped LAX

I agree. But I can see that AV-TA would want to direct the traffic to LAX (and central and west US, plus Canada) via SAL.
BOG is currently drawing traffic from LIM. GYE/UIO and different places in Colombia. The plan would be to link all these places (even cities such as MDE, CLO, BAQ, CTG) to SAL, which could only be possible with enough connecting traffic.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
I agree. But I can see that AV-TA would want to direct the traffic to LAX (and central and west US, plus Canada) via SAL.
BOG is currently drawing traffic from LIM. GYE/UIO and different places in Colombia. The plan would be to link all these places (even cities such as MDE, CLO, BAQ, CTG) to SAL, which could only be possible with enough connecting traffic.

I don't buy the whole SAL-centric strategy. BOG has more O/D, including business and VFR traffic than both of TA's central american hubs combined. It would be really stupid to drive the international pax away from the airport. LAX is a station that has been having 85% load factors on 5x weekly 767-200ER frequencies, with no bad yields. Who would want to drop that and take everything via SAL? That's like talling the public: hey, you know what, you could also fly with the competition via PTY, IAH, MIA, MEX and ATL, since you will still have to make a connection with us.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
In my view, it makes sense of logic considering that AV BOG-LAX is 5x weekly whereas [AV BOG-SAL and then TA SAL-LAX] and back is available on a daily basis.

For what I expressed above, it really doesn't.

Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 9):
I think it would be a shame if AV dropped LAX. AV re-launched LAX with 3 weekly frequencies if I'm not mistaken and now they're operating 5 frequencies. I know the A330 would add significant seat capacity, but AV can also adjust the weekly frequencies accordingly as well.

My thoughts as well.

The only logic behind this diecision is that the 762s need to go sooner or later and the A332s are too big. But let's see something:

85% load factor on a 176 seat aircraft is around 149 passengers. That, 5x a week, is 745 passengers taken from BOG to LAX per week. 4 weekly A332 could be easily filled on 75% load factors by this logic. It really isn't that bad of a difference.

[Edited 2010-10-10 15:20:55]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
Talking of things colombian (I could not find the Colombian thread that had been created), it looks like AV will drop BOG-LAX as from the coming January.
It will offer connections via SAL.

if true it would be a really shame!



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
For what I expressed above, it really doesn't.

I hold my point and I respect yours.
AV BOG-LAX is not daily in spite of the 85% load factor.




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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
85% load factor on a 176 seat aircraft is around 149 passengers.

And what about the numbers for AV BOG-SAL 7x weekly ?
The answer of the possible withdrawal of AV BOG-LAX 5x weekly might rather be focused into the above question.  

Regards.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
I don't buy the whole SAL-centric strategy. BOG has more O/D, including business and VFR traffic than both of TA's central american hubs combined. It would be really stupid to drive the international pax away from the airport

The flipside of the termination of LAX from BOG would be that the precious A330s operation that would be used on LAX, can be used elsewhere, such as more frequencies to Europe, possibly a new destination.

BOG, and Colombia at large may handle more traffic overall, but there can be no doubt that Taca and Central America does much better at managing traffic to and from LAX, among other places. It has flights to LAX from GUA, SAL and SJO. From SAL it is currently 11 weekly frequencies if I recall well, so more feeding would mean a twice daily operation by TACA just from SAL. And SJO-LAX could go fro 4 weekly to daily helped by redirected traffic (the MDE-SJO fliight comes to mind -that could go to daily too helped by more connecting traffic -in the case of LAX a more conveniehically logical connection than via BOG)

It may not be so good for passengers originating or terminating from BOG to lose their non-stop, but what percentage of the overall traffic are they? AV's current traffic is varied. As I said before, it comes , among others, from Ecuador, Peru and different cities in Colombia. For someone doing LIM-LAX, or MDE-LAX, it would not matter if the stop is in BOG, SAL or SJO, but for AV-TA it's more efficient to optimise its hubs according to its strengths. Of course it will lose some pax to the competition, but the idea is that it will more than make up by better spreading its resources and so reaching elsewhere.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 15):
t may not be so good for passengers originating or terminating from BOG to lose their non-stop, but what percentage of the overall traffic are they? AV's current traffic is varied. As I said before, it comes , among others, from Ecuador, Peru and different cities in Colombia. For someone doing LIM-LAX, or MDE-LAX, it would not matter if the stop is in BOG, SAL or SJO, but for AV-TA it's more efficient to optimise its hubs according to its strengths. Of course it will lose some pax to the competition, but the idea is that it will more than make up by better spreading its resources and so reaching elsewhere

if this happens than I am sure that QT will be a new carrier to LAX... the AV flight is currently handling a lot of cargo into and out of LAX.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
I hold my point and I respect yours.
AV BOG-LAX is not daily in spite of the 85% load factor.

It's better to have 5 weekly non-stop frequencies than daily one-stop connetions, that already exists on other airlines...

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
And what about the numbers for AV BOG-SAL 7x weekly ?
The answer of the possible withdrawal of AV BOG-LAX 5x weekly might rather be focused into the above question

They are certainly not at 10%, and the daily A319 would have to be filled only with LAX bound passengers to make up for the numbers, thus failing to see it's main point, which is to distribute passengers at SAL to many other destinations.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 15):
It may not be so good for passengers originating or terminating from BOG to lose their non-stop, but what percentage of the overall traffic are they? AV's current traffic is varied. As I said before, it comes , among others, from Ecuador, Peru and different cities in Colombia. For someone doing LIM-LAX, or MDE-LAX, it would not matter if the stop is in BOG, SAL or SJO, but for AV-TA it's more efficient to optimise its hubs according to its strengths.

We are not talking about just LIM or MDE. This is a bunch of destinations including Caracas, Quito, Guayaquil and all other domestic cities in Colombia, which would have to be linked with SAL or SJO in order to make the one-stop connections possible, thus cannibalizing on BOG traffic. CTG/PEI/BGA/VLN-SAL? Don't think so. All i'm saying is that while it might be cheaper to fly a smaller nomber of passengers via SAL, truth is they would be loosing a lot by dropping the route. Not to mention 5 precious Colombia-US frequencies, as the OS agreement is not even close to consolidation. On thing is pooling assets and cutting costs via a merger, and another is just loosing marketshare and revenue only because you want a synergy with the partner airline. For example, in markets that warrant it, AF and KL have joint operations.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 15):
The flipside of the termination of LAX from BOG would be that the precious A330s operation that would be used on LAX, can be used elsewhere, such as more frequencies to Europe, possibly a new destination

All we know is that 3 new A330s are coming into the fleet next year, and there is nothing remotely confirmed of them going to TA, and frankly, if we see one new european destination next year, that will be it. Though I agree that they can't keep the 762s just to fly them to LAX, the argument that the A330 fleet is tight won't be valid in 2011 when the 762 retire.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 17):
We are not talking about just LIM or MDE. This is a bunch of destinations including Caracas, Quito, Guayaquil and all other domestic cities in Colombia, which would have to be linked with SAL or SJO in order to make the one-stop connections possible, thus cannibalizing on BOG traffic. CTG/PEI/BGA/VLN-SAL? Don't think so

Of the destinations you mention I should hope that the ones not already linked to SAL or SJO will be at some point. Of course, it wont happen immediately to the like of PEI or BGA, but I see a CTG-SJO soon.

SAL and SJO can make possible links to different cities in Central America and Central and West USA, and Canada too that BOG could only dream of. Thus the importance of building on the core strengths of each hub.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 17):
Not to mention 5 precious Colombia-US frequencies, as the OS agreement is not even close to consolidation

Even if not a fully fledged OS, there will soon be many new freqs available.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 17):
All we know is that 3 new A330s are coming into the fleet next year, and there is nothing remotely confirmed of them going to TA, and frankly, if we see one new european destination next year, that will be it

I am assuming that those 3 A330s will be for AV, though TA could do with a couple too (perhaps more when AV starts replacing some A330s with 787s). I will be quite happy with a new European destination as a trade-off for LAX. There should also be added frequencies to MAD and BCN.Things take their time. For destinations such as MXP or FCO, we will have to wait till the 787s, butI do think that BOG will be able to make work well these routes, more so helped with the feeding from the likes of SJO and SAL, quite apart from it traditional catchment of LIM, Ecuador and different points in Colombia.

I do expect BOG-LAX to come back though. First resources are spread wisely, then they can be built upon.
You mention AF'-KL. You saw how KL dropped CCS as soon as they merged to avoid duplication, but of course there are markets that can benefit fromboth operating there, such in the case of MEX and GRU, next will be LIM and EZE.
GIG might be after that.

I can see a time when flights from GRU, LIM, BOG, SJO and SAL will converge in LAX for an onward flight to Asia.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 17):
This is a bunch of destinations including Caracas, Quito, Guayaquil and all other domestic cities in Colombia, which would have to be linked with SAL or SJO in order to make the one-stop connections

CCS, UIO, GYE all have direct flights to SJO



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
CCS, UIO, GYE all have direct flights to SJO

TA GYE-SAL 3x weekly is also in service nowadays.
Regards.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
CCS, UIO, GYE all have direct flights to SJO

Your'e right, but those flights are maybe daily or less-than daily, and CCS and UIO don't have flights to SAL. You can't compare the schedule of BOG-UIO to SJO-UIO.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
TA GYE-SAL 3x weekly is also in service nowadays.

Same as above.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18):
You mention AF'-KL. You saw how KL dropped CCS as soon as they merged to avoid duplication, but of course there are markets that can benefit fromboth operating there, such in the case of MEX and GRU

Though I see your point, LAX is more of a MEX than of a CCS for AV-TA.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18):
I am assuming that those 3 A330s will be for AV, though TA could do with a couple too (perhaps more when AV starts replacing some A330s with 787s).

Actually, I don't think TA will be getting any A330s until the 787s start arriving in 2012. There is the ETOPS certification issue, the fact that they haven't flown longhaul for a long time, and the fact that all of the possible routes that the A330s could be useful in, have strong competition (LIM-MIA, SAL-MAD, SJO-MAD, LIM-EZE...). Plus, replacing and consolidating Avianca's long-haul fleet should be a priority, once that is done they can start with building TACA's from scratch.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
Actually, I don't think TA will be getting any A330s until the 787s start arriving in 2012. There is the ETOPS certification issue, the fact that they haven't flown longhaul for a long time, and the fact that all of the possible routes that the A330s could be useful in, have strong competition (LIM-MIA, SAL-MAD, SJO-MAD, LIM-EZE...). Plus, replacing and consolidating Avianca's long-haul fleet should be a priority, once that is done they can start with building TACA's from scratch

what I can see that they will use 3 x A330 for w-pattern flights BOG-MAD-LIM-MAD-BOG. There is still a market for LIM-MAD



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8720 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2895 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 22):
here is still a market for LIM-MAD

That also applies to GYE-MAD. TA would be the fourth carrier on the LIM-MAD route, which is dominated by LAN and IB. LP will soon increase frequency on the LIM-MAD route.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
You can't compare the schedule of BOG-UIO to SJO-UIO.

There needs to be frequency impovement on these routes, but that will come, precisely helped with the consolidation of hubs.
On the BOG-UIO schedule, even though there are 4 daily flights by AV/2K, none of them makes for an ideal connection on the way to LAX (last one arriving in BOG at 8.30pm, with a 5 hour wait for the LAX flight), and inbound only one flight is suitable.

With TA, someone in GYE going to LAX can go via SAL leaving at 11.40am, or via SJO leaving at 3 pm. In both cases with a 1h 20 min connection. The idea is that this could be possible every day of the week. It should be so with more flights flights to North America.


25 Fabi737 : I would like to ask if anyone knows why Avianca has stopped flying to Valencia Venezuela. I noticed Caracas is receiving the F100 and A319 so is it a
26 usflyer msp : Venezuela's economic problems and currency issues have greatly reduced the demand for services to and from their country, except for a few select mar
27 Avianca : was not aware that they stoped VLN, regarding the downgrading to CCS it was basically due the CADIVI problems, they had over 100 MIO of USD parked in
28 757MDE : There has been lots of trouble with all the diplomatic problems Colombia and Venezuela have had. But in the particular case of Valencia, the final bl
29 2travel2know2 : VLN has CM so that adds to AV/MM problems.
30 Fabi737 : My brother will fly Copa of Panama from Valencia -.Venezuela to Bogota-Colombia. The travel agent said Avianca was always overbooked,so the problem wi
31 RCS763AV : Those political problems led to a tanking of business relationships, even with reported abuses from the venezuelan government to colombian properties
32 757MDE : No, not really. The overbooking in the route is just the good ol' business practice, the alleged problem with SAM is as far as I've been told the fin
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