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AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32896 posts, RR: 71
Posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23123 times:

A slew of announcements from oneWorld today. They are taking this at full speed.

In addition to all the routes, comes this announcement that service between JFK and Heathrow will, not surprisingly, begin to operate on a shuttle-like schedule. But this will be implemented in April, and previous reports were saying schedule coordination would until next fall.

There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

In addition to the 11 JFK-LHR flights, there are two daily JFK-LCY and three daily EWR-LHR flights.

Article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...k-shuttle-service-.html?cmpid=yhoo


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23126 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow

Only 11?? Why is a flight being cut? Will it be an AA or BA flight cut?



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32896 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22992 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 1):
Only 11?? Why is a flight being cut? Will it be an AA or BA flight cut?

According to the article, yes, it is 11.

As for why a flight is/might be cut, well, that's ATI for you. Combine resources. I don't think it should come as a surprise that when the airlines are combining their LHR-NYC capacity, one flight might be seeing the axe.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7644 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22925 times:

Awesome!!!!

So does that mean that we will see the schedules for the other hubs coordinated and spaced out accordingly as well?



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22889 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I don't think it should come as a surprise that when the airlines are combining their LHR-NYC capacity, one flight might be seeing the axe.

It's a surprise to me because I thought there was going to be 13x daily, which involved adding a flight. Usually a JV increases traffic on a hub to hub route.
With 11 per day, every half hour in the evening, that would mean the last flight was at 10 pm. There are currently options up to 11:30 pm.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22890 times:

Well with United already merged and on track and DL beefing up at JFK I'm not surprised they've decided to push things through ASAP. As to the Heathrow-NY leg, there is no mention so it's only half the job in any case. But a good start and my feeling this is only the beginning of quite a few crucial announcements to come.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22843 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm

I remember seeing 2 BA 744's follow each other to the runway in May , thinking to myself how they'll follow each other the whole way. What a good route for the BA A380 when that comes on-line.



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User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22789 times:

Do they plan to adjust ORD-LHR as well? BA's deparatures are within minutes of AA's. This seems like it could change.

I love the LHR-JFK shuttle service!


User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22733 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

Given the famous delays at both airports, it may be fun to see how often these planes get out in the correct order!!

regards
musapapaya



Lufthansa Group of Airlines
User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4267 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22733 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 6):
I remember seeing 2 BA 744's follow each other to the runway in May , thinking to myself how they'll follow each other the whole way. What a good route for the BA A380 when that comes on-line.


Probably because one flight was late!

Can somebody list the flight times, carrier, and equipment? I know it is all 772 and 744 but I want to see if there are any surprises.

And all of these flights will depart from T7 (for BA) and T8 (for AA), right? So it is a disjointed shuttle of sorts. You still have to pick one carrier or the other. Are there any appreciable benefits or disadvantages in-flight for choosing one carrier over the other?



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32896 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22688 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
It's a surprise to me because I thought there was going to be 13x daily, which involved adding a flight. Usually a JV increases traffic on a hub to hub route.
With 11 per day, every half hour in the evening, that would mean the last flight was at 10 pm. There are currently options up to 11:30 pm.

It could very well be an error, then. The article might have meant that there will be 11 flights as part of the shuttle schedule, on top of the two morning flights. It's a reporter article, not an official PR. I guess we will find out soon enough.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22647 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

What about westbound?


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22604 times:

Basically what was anticipated - two morning daylights and then on the half-hour throughout the evening starting at 1800.

However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it. That very late JFK departure is popular with travelers who want the evening in New York - there is no reason for them to cut it.

I could see:

0800
0930
1800
1830
1900
1930
2000
2030
2130
2230
2330


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32896 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22562 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

What about westbound?

No idea. I'm just going off what was in the article I linked to. Hopefully we'll see a finalized schedule in the next 2-3 weeks.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22470 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
It could very well be an error, then. The article might have meant that there will be 11 flights as part of the shuttle schedule, on top of the two morning flights. It's a reporter article, not an official PR. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Well if there are 11 flights as part of the shuttle schedule than the 6pm-10pm shuttle every 30 minutes is inaccurate, as that would amount to 9 shuttle flights.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):

It's a surprise to me because I thought there was going to be 13x daily, which involved adding a flight. Usually a JV increases traffic on a hub to hub route.

Not always. It's been a common misnomer that ATI would increase flights on all common routes operated by AA and BA. AA and BA without ATI/JV may have had too many flights in the JFK-LHR market because of their inability to coordinate schedules and thus having to compete with eachother for frequency. Now that they are working together, they can reduce flights where they previously were competing, thus reducing the number of seats and flights, whilst likely increasing fares, providing optimization for both carriers. It still represents an overall increase in seats for each respective carrier, whereas AA before had 5-6 daily flights, BA had 6-7 daily flights; they now each will have 11 daily flights, albeit on both carriers, now operating as one.

Jeremy


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22422 times:

AA has 5x daily and BA has 7x daily. If it is going down to 11x daily combined, I hope it goes to 5xAA and 6xBA keeping a balanced schedule rather than AA losing a flight.

I am looking forward to seeing the westbound schedule. AA/BA could almost have an hourly schedule all day.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22280 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 15):
I am looking forward to seeing the westbound schedule. AA/BA could almost have an hourly schedule all day.

Based on what was shown in the press conference slides today, it looks like:

0830 BA
1000 BA
1030 AA
1200 AA
1300 BA
1400 AA
1500 BA
1600 BA
1700 AA
1800 BA
1900 AA
2000 BA


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32896 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22119 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 15):
I am looking forward to seeing the westbound schedule. AA/BA could almost have an hourly schedule all day.

Based on what was shown in the press conference slides today, it looks like:

Do you have a full link to see all the slides?



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22098 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):

Thanks!  

That looks like a really good schedule and as it stands, is still 12x daily (7xBA, 5xAA)



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 21884 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Do you have a full link to see all the slides?
http://www.thomson-webcast.net/uk/dispatching/?event_id=ae2c14ba7e697a9726e8a86ff3a7d917&portal_id=8f9f041ab76ea624a93bd34e37c94737

It's in the Willie Walsh section, at minute 3:47.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 18):
That looks like a really good schedule and as it stands, is still 12x daily (7xBA, 5xAA)

I agree - looks like a good schedule. Although, I can't help thinking that it would make more sense to better space out the morning departures instead of 0800, 1000, 1030 and 1200. I would think something more like 0730, 0900, 1030, 1200 would have made more sense, personally. Who knows - this is only the first steps towards schedule integration. In the W11 or S12 schedule, we might see more optimization.


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4267 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 21600 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
Basically what was anticipated - two morning daylights and then on the half-hour throughout the evening starting at 1800.

However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it. That very late JFK departure is popular with travelers who want the evening in New York - there is no reason for them to cut it.

I could see:

0800
0930
1800
1830
1900
1930
2000
2030
2130
2230
2330

Not popular with the business crew, I love that 11:30PM flight! That's a jetlag beater right there. You arrive in LHR a little before noon with your body and mind ready to start the day! Much better than arriving early morning at Heathrow, which is about the time I'd be turning off Letterman after it ends!



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4501 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20732 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it.

Because of this:

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 8):
Given the famous delays at both airports, it may be fun to see how often these planes get out in the correct order!!

Even if the last scheduled flight is 10PM out of JFK, I'm sure in actuality there will probably still be an "unofficial" 11:30pm flight.  

[Edited 2010-10-06 19:09:19]

User currently offlinedfw11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19397 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 20):
Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
Basically what was anticipated - two morning daylights and then on the half-hour throughout the evening starting at 1800.

However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it. That very late JFK departure is popular with travelers who want the evening in New York - there is no reason for them to cut it.

I could see:

0800
0930
1800
1830
1900
1930
2000
2030
2130
2230
2330

Not popular with the business crew, I love that 11:30PM flight! That's a jetlag beater right there.

It hasn't gone anywhere! It still has the flight: AA116.

I still want to see some different tail around DFW.... IB, make the switch with AA to MAD!



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 17055 times:

Very good news indeed... But on the other had, we miss the shuttle services to EDI, GLA & MAN. Those were days.


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 16820 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
I agree - looks like a good schedule. Although, I can't help thinking that it would make more sense to better space out the morning departures instead of 0800, 1000, 1030 and 1200. I would think something more like 0730, 0900, 1030, 1200 would have made more sense, personally. Who knows - this is only the first steps towards schedule integration. In the W11 or S12 schedule, we might see more optimization.

Very true. Also surprising that the last departure wasn't pushed back a bit further than 2000, something like 2035-2055 would open up a number of additional connections from Europe (this would be quite attractive to people who could squeeze a full day at work take a BA flight up to London and get into JFK right around midnight).


25 777ORD : wow! Great news! But, perhaps someone can answer this question. between all the airlines that operate out of JFK/EWR. how many daily flights does that
26 runway23 : With the JV everything is subject to being adjusted. Just that JFK-LHR is strategically the most important one and thus the first to get readjusted.
27 dldtw1962 : I can't believe that they have that much traffic from JFK and EWR to have 11 flights a day to LHR. And that is not including the flights that UA and D
28 Someone83 : And a not full flight doesn't means that their loosing money on it...........
29 commavia : Believe it. From virtually every standpoint - economic, political, strategic - New York-London is by far and away the single largest and most importa
30 LAXdude1023 : Im really interested to see how they coordinate the ORD, MIA, LAX, and DFW schedules too.
31 United_fan : Wow,adding VS and Kuwaiti to the mix,that's a lot of flights!
32 hz747300 : Will AA be able to use T5 in LHR to maximize synergy?
33 LondonCity : T5 is practically full. Even QF (with its JSA with BA) can't gain access.
34 commavia : That was discussed yesterday at the press conference. When asked directly about it, Walsh hinted at it and said effectively that they're looking at s
35 bobnwa : Why on earth would you think AA,BA,VS,UA,DL,CO have all these flights if it wasn't profitable ot likely to be so in the near future?
36 ChopChop767 : Most assuredly, the route is profitable and it's great to see that AA is using the One World Alliance to strengthen their position in a UA and DL mer
37 kimberlyrj : Would it matter if one airline lost a service and the other one did not? I mean to the PAX? Do you think that the PAX on this route prefer AA to BA?
38 crosswinds21 : Good point. Does anyone know what's going to happen with ORD-LHR? Wasn't there talk on this forum that this route will also become somewhat of a shut
39 Slinky09 : And at MIA I think ... not that that is the biggest business destination ... I'd guess the other way, AA can expand to Asia whereas BA can increase t
40 DFWEagle : No, probably pax prefer BA to be honest. I'd just like to see AA keep its presence on the route and be more of an equal partner to BA, that's all.
41 LAXdude1023 : AA and BA will share to all the cities they currently both serve (with the possible exception of Boston which may become all BA). It shouldnt be that
42 GlobalCabotage : BA will move departures to T3 at ORD in spring. Not sure what gates yet or if the L concourse will handle IB, BA, and AA flights to the UK or if all w
43 WesternA318 : Perhaps for use of bigger equipment on a much heavier demand departure time?
44 catiii : Love the two morning departures to LHR. We contract with DL at my company for our business travel, but have picked up a huge client in London and the
45 B747forever : I am really interested to see what they will do with LAX. They have together 4 daily flights to LAX (3 by BA and 1 by AA). I wonder if they will redu
46 LAXdude1023 : Delta probably could get a slot for an evening arrival. Night time slots at LHR are not at a premium.
47 mogandoCI : Deathrow T5 is both a success and failure It's a success as in it's way better than rest of LHR, and finally up to par with international state-of-the
48 vv701 : And that's not all. KU101 operates LHR-JFK with traffic rights.
49 commavia : ORD-LHR will never be a shuttle in the same line as JFK-LHR - the market is just not as big nor as frequency-intensive. Nonetheless, I'm sure that a
50 AJMIA : Do you think MIA might get an early morning departure and late night return from LHR with the new schedule? That would open up a lot of different con
51 hz747300 : It's a joint venture, so sort of irrelevant who flies it unfortunately for spotters, or fans of one or the other...
52 GlobalCabotage : While ORD-LHR will never be like JFK-LHR, I would still expect at least 6 flights on AA/BA. ORD-LHR 9:00 AM AA 763 4:00 PM AA 777 5:00 PM BA 744 6:00
53 VC10er : Will it matter that BA have a great C and F and AA is just...AA? I would be pissed if i bought a BA ticket in C and then get bumped into an AA slider
54 N62NA : And those AA flights arriving from South America in the 4a-6a time frame could feed a morning MIA-LHR. I've been hoping for this for years!
55 bojangles : T5 is actually a triumph in the face of extremely difficult conditions. Well just one condition. Space, or lack thereof. That T5 could be shoe-horned
56 AABB777 : Let's hope AA introduces a new J/C product soon, as speculation has been pretty intense that they will. However, will it only be on the 763, or the 7
57 LAX888 : LOL yeah I feel the same way about that. At the moment BA and AA are just miles apart when it comes to their in-flight products. Even Y on BA has AVO
58 incitatus : One has to wonder what the competition will do. CO/UA may set up a competing service out of Newark by adding a few more flights up to 7 or 8 frequenc
59 commavia : It is my personal belief that no other competitors will ever seriously be in a position to materially challenge the dominant position that AA/BA now
60 LondonCity : Do you mean LHR T5 ? JAL has been using LHR T3 for decades !
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