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Hero Pilot Of UA811 (HNL-AKL) Dies At 81  
User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16504 times:

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Dave Cronin, the hero pilot who successfully landed a crippled United Airlines Boeing 747 in Honolulu 21 years ago, died Monday at his home in Minden, Nev. He was 81.

Cronin was the captain on United Flight 811, which left Honolulu bound for Auckland, New Zealand, on Feb. 24, 1989. The 747 was 22,000 feet over the Pacific when a forward cargo door blew out, creating a gaping hole in the side of the aircraft.
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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3016 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16521 times:

RIP... He did an excellent job.


The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16404 times:

I remember that event very well - I was supposed to board the arriving aircraft in Auckland for the onward leg to Sydney! Was a bit surprised when i switched on the news that morning and saw UA811 back in Honolulu with a gaping hole just behind the cockpit!

Fantastic airmanship to dump fuel on two engines with a very heavy aircraft just a short distance out of Honolulu, and turn the big bird round and get her back on the ground. A lot of lives were saved that day and sadly of course some were lost though not due to anything the pilots could have done to save them.

R.I.P.


User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16360 times:

The cockpit recordings from that flight are thrilling to read. A great example of a cockpit crew working together and doing their very best for their passengers. And that plane was repaired and flew for years afterward.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15934 times:

May he RIP fellow aviator. Very good and talented gentleman; so sad to see him go to heaven.

KH



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15907 times:

RIP.

Although there were some unavoidable casualties, the actions of the pilot and the rest of the crew undoubtedly saved so many more lives.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15815 times:

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 3):
And that plane was repaired and flew for years afterward.

The aircraft involved, 12 years before and 4 years after the accident; one of UA's early 747-100s delivered in 1970. After repairs it was re-registered N4724U. After that accident I guess they considered the 13 in the original N4713U registration to be unlucky.


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4782 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15782 times:

Rip Captain Cronin,


His superb performance that night is yet another example of hundreds over the years showing us that well trained, competent, human Pilots are irreplaceable.


No matter how clever computers become.



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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15756 times:

I was about to post the same thing... thankfully we have heroic humans who do the right things under pressure. RIP

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5126 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15710 times:

Very sad to hear, but he is likely already getting his wings up there. RIP.


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15511 times:

It's sad that he died, of course, but he was 81!

It would be very interesting to read about his career with UA; having retired in 1990, he was probably with the airline from the mid to late 1950s, so he would probably have flown many of the classic types of the jet age - 720, DC8, DC10, 727, probably the Caravelle too. What a career - and he certainly ended it on a high note.

The UA 811 was supposed to have been his second to last; did he actually fly again after it?


User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15419 times:

RIP Captain.

Many people are going to live long and fruitful lives thanks to your professionalism and that of your colleagues. God bless you as you cruise on a different set of wings now.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20358 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15396 times:

RIP, Captain.

And well lived, sir.


User currently offlinemacsog6 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15389 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 10):
did he actually fly again after it?

I don't know about flying for UA, but he was a regular participant for several years after his retirement at the National Championship Air Races in Reno, NV, near where he lived.

From the local paper ~


After his retirement from United, Cronin flew a Lancair Legacy in the Sport Class at the Reno National Championship Air Races for several years.
He named the plane "For God's Glory."
In recent years, Cronin worked ramp security during the Reno Air Races.



Sixty Plus Years of Flying! "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Saint Ex
User currently offlineSergioAEE From Greece, joined Jun 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13013 times:

RIP fellow aviator! Have a great trip!

SergioAEE


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11643 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 10):
It would be very interesting to read about his career with UA; having retired in 1990, he was probably with the airline from the mid to late 1950s, so he would probably have flown many of the classic types of the jet age - 720, DC8, DC10, 727, probably the Caravelle too. What a career - and he certainly ended it on a high note.

Excerpt from the NTSB accident report:

Captain David Cronin, 59, was hired by UAL on December 10, 1954. The captain holds Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certificate No. 1268493 with airplane multiengine land ratings and commercial privileges in airplane single-engine land, sea and gliders. The captain is type rated in the B747, DC-10, DC-8, B727, Convair (CV) 440, CV340, CV240 and the Learjet. The captain was issued a first class medical certificate on November 1, 1988, with no limitations.

The captain's initial operating experience (IOE) check out in the B747 occurred in December, 1985. The captain’s latest line and proficiency checks in the B747 were completed in August and December, 1988, respectively. Training in ditching and evacuation was included with the proficiency check. The captain had flown a total of about 28,000 hours, 1,600 to 1,700 hours of which were in the B747. During the 24-hour, 72-hour and 30-day periods, prior to the accident, the captain had flown: 1 hour, 5 minutes; 13 hours, 35 minutes; and 76 hours, 18 minutes, respectively.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4006 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9298 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 10):
720, DC8, DC10, 727, probably the Caravelle too.

He has flown the Convair propliners, 727, DC8 and DC-10 before switching to the 747.
This is what I think his career with United was:
He probably started as Flight Engineer on the Convair because when he was hired in 1954, United had no jet type yet. It must be that he flew the Convair as Fllight Engineer, then as First Officer, then he probably switched to the DC-8 at the beginning of the jet age, he probably flew the DC-8 as First Officer before achieving captaincy on the type. Since then he flew as captain the 727, DC-8, DC-10 and Classic 747 for the rest of his career .

Off topic, another hero at United is another captain, Captain Al Haynes (please correct me if I misspell his name) when also in 1989 he landed in Sioux City a DC-10 suffering a hydraulic failure. Out of the 290 passengers of flight UA 232, he saved 180 lives.

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 13):
I don't know about flying for UA,

Probably not, because it was his second to last flight before mandatory retirement, so he was about to turn 60 when it happened. Captain Sullinberger didn't fly for several months after the landed his A320 deprived of power on the Hudson River, he was 57 when that happened.

RIP Captain Cronin

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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

I watched the Nat Geo episode of Air Crash Investigation about this incident a few weeks ago!

Was truly an amazing feat of airman-ship by all the crew  

RIP indeed good sir!

[Edited 2010-10-07 14:50:24]


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User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

May he rest in peace and God heals the pain of lost for his family and friends.

Chuck


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

RIP a great pilot.

I don't whether this is entirely true but I did hear that apparently no one else could manage the landing at Honolulu he made when they tried it in the simulator.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7197 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

I also recall that incident. I had thought the plane was one UA inherited from PA, but I guess I was wrong about that. In any case it was a magnificent feat of airmanship to get the plane down safely.


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User currently offlineAvconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 16):
Probably not, because it was his second to last flight before mandatory retirement, so he was about to turn 60 when it happened.

You've got to be kidding!! The guy goes "spotless" for 34 year and on his second to last flight this occurs. Wow!! Poor guy.

Reminds me of the adage, hours of boredom overcome with seconds of sheer terror.

Does anyone remember how long it was to cripple back to HNL? I thought I read some where it was over an hour or hour and a half. If so, I cannot fathom the terror the pax endured with a huge fuselage hole in First Class.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 21):
Does anyone remember how long it was to cripple back to HNL? I thought I read some where it was over an hour or hour and a half. If so, I cannot fathom the terror the pax endured with a huge fuselage hole in First Class.

The hole was in business class, not first.

According to the NTSB report the aircraft came to a stop on the runway at HNL and evacuation commenced at 0234 HNL time, 25 minutes after losiing the cargo door and fuselage skin. First indication of that was a loud bang on the CVR at 0209. The aircraft had pushed back at 0133 and was cleared for takeoff at 0152.

[Edited 2010-10-08 15:43:14]

User currently offlinecharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 16):
He probably started as Flight Engineer on the Convair because when he was hired in 1954,

He would have started as a Convair First Officer...no F.Es on the Convairs


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