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33yrs. Old. Want To Become A Prof. Pilot  
User currently offline5islander From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Would appreciate any info/opinions on fastest way to become a professional pilot. I'm 33 yrs. old and I would be starting from scratch. I have always dreamed of becoming a pilot. Being somewhat of an aviation enthusiast, I know of the pilot shortage that is being forecast. I have heard/read that many of the commuter and major airlines may lower their requirements (flying time). What is the best route to my goal? What can I expect?

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User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Hey,

you're not too old to become a professional pilot. Altough, about the flight hours, regional airlines will hire pilots with 600TT and 100 Multi engine time for pilots in the "bridge program" mostly in an aviation unverisities or flight academies. Most regional airlines will hire pilots with at least 1000TT and a min. of 100-200 multi-engine experience. Since the regionals are hiring approx. 400-500 pilots a month, they might hire pilots with low flight times.

If you have the money, try looking into a flight academy like Sierra Academy of Aeronatics in OAK or FlightSafety. They usually train students from "zero to airline pilot" hours, but it's quite expensive. ($40-50k)
At most place, depending how well you fly, you can get a flight instructing job at the academy once completing your CFI rating.

Your second option is find a flight school and your local airport and train there. Many CFIs will leave to the regionals so be prepared to switch CFIs at times. Happened to me a lot.
Hope this is helpful for now. Good luck in your training.

Kevin/DCA


User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

forgot to mention, once completing your CFI/CFII rating, you can get a job as flight instructing other students. That way you can build your hours while getting paid. Some CFIs are also part-time corporate pilots and full time CFIs. Those are great ways to log hours to become an airline pilot.

Kevin/DCA


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Not trying to take traffic away from Airliners.net but you will find Jetcareers very helpful. In the forum there you will meet many people who are in the process or have done what you are hoping to do, and are more then willing to answer questions!
Iain


User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Thanks lainhol for that website. I was myself thinking that I wanted to become a commercial pilot and have wanted to for years. However, I have become very comfortable as a software consultant, but now you make it seem like an interesting thought!


A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineTAA_Airbus From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

What the hell is a CFI and a CFII.
Surely it cant mean chief flying instructor.


User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Certified flight instructor and certified flight instructor instrument.

User currently offlineAlphie747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

What are the vision standards now?

User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

As long as your vision is correctable to 20/20 airlines don't care.

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

lol, its funny, I have always wanted to be a commercial pilot, flying A320's doing the LAX-ORD routes, and etc...After looking at jetcareers.com, I have been moving away from it, its kind of discouraging, it describes a lifestyle i dont want, which kind of, what shall i say, sucks. oh well. Im doing my PPL right now, but who knows, i might change my mind and fly commercial after all  Smile good luck islander. youll love flying.

-FSPilot747


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6281 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

If you want to fly for a major or national airline on jets, sorry, too late. If you just want to fly as a profession, the best bet is as a CFI. If you get your IFR, turbine and commercial tickets soon you could also be flying freighters (still not the jets though). I hope I didn't burst your bubble. What the hell though, who wants to sit in an office programing a computer all day anyway. If flying is a dream of yours go for the CFI and do it ASAP. Good luck


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

IMissPiedmont - You are incorrect with that statement. Last year Delta and many other mjaors hired pilots in there early 50's. He should be able to get to the regionals in about 3 years, and after a 3-4 year stay there and then move to the majors, then he would only be 40, which considering the average hiring age at the Majors is 35, he would not be to far from the average!
I suggest you research before you come out with such drivel!
Iain


User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

IMissPiedmont, Iain is correct. There are no age restrictions to be hired for a major airline but however you gotta be under 60 years old. I have met many first officers on 727s and MD80s who are like 50+ years old in which they started flying late.

Also, I think you can continue flying with a corporate airline well beyond 60 years old.

Kevin/DCA


User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

>>>"If you want to fly for a major or national airline on jets, sorry, too late."

C'mon man, this is just the kind of crap we need to think about before it gets posted.

Having flown for a national airline (Midex) and now a major (UAL) I can tell you that I had classmates from both carriers who were in their 50s and 40s. Interestingly enough, some of the individuals were career changers, whereas others were former Squadron COs who were out of the military.

Yes, there may be some questions about age, but look at the bright side. Many regionals base your class seniority on date of birth. Can you say "R-J"?


User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

TT737FO

Thanks for your post here. Though I may disagree with you on another thread, I find this one very positive. As I had aspired to being a pilot one day, and given up, now I see that it just might happen in the not too distant future for me. I am way too comfortable with my job now, but if I can find a way to finance the whole thing, I would love to pursue a second career as a commercial pilot.



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Seems as if you and I have something in common. After I left the military, I spent a year as an IT consultant.

One year of the IT field and I resumed my flying career with a couple of 135 outfits, Great Lakes, and then Midwest Express.

If you like your job and are comfortable with it, you may just want to take your flying as far as it will go at the local FBO. The hours will come along with the ratings, and there is such a shortage of CFIs that you would have no trouble finding a part time job instructing--and picking up your ME/MEI. Meanwhile, save your pennies.

You stay at flying for a couple of years and earn all the ratings, there should be no problem having the 135 hours you need to pick up a PIC job. If you like flying enough, you'll probably want to pursue it--but it's always good to watch your pennies and do it safely.

One friend of mine in the Marine Corps was a grunt with 20/550000000 vision and coke bottle glasses. He flew his ass off every weekend towing gliders and instructing--sometimes just hanging out at the airport and bumming rides as a safety pilot. I just heard from him and he's a Brazilia new hire FO at Skywest. He's also two years older than me.


User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

TT737FO - looks like you and my fiance have had two employers in common... She worked for Midex (actually SkyWay up in WI) before, and now works for UAL. Small world, huh? After Nov I will be flying with you guys for free...

Thanks for the very sage advice. I agree, I love my job and plan to stick with it for a while. However, if I can make some good investments, and move forward with this career, I might be able to retire early, and pursue the second career of my dreams, without worrying too much about the money part. We will see!

CAETravlr



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6281 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Iainhol: True, Delta and the "mjaors" did hire pilots in their 40s. Dis you read that 5islander was starting from scratch? I thought not. Maybe you should do a reality check here. The 40+ pilots have thousands of hours flying multi engine military turbine aircraft. Someone at the age of 33, with NO flying hours will NEVER pilot an airliner. I guess this would go for everyone though. Reality can be a bitter pill. Don't respond until you know what it is.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineDE727UPS From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Dear Imiss....

Looking at your profile and some of the things you are saying, I'm not sure what makes you such an expert in airline hiring trends....perhaps you will tell us?

I have a friend who just finished IOE at America West on the 737. He's 45, didn't start flying until his mid-30's, and didn't start flying as his primary job until five years ago....he doesn't have a degree and he had around 1K PIC on a 1900 to get there.

There is some truth in what you say but to use words like NEVER....as in it can't happen...is off base. It can, and has, happened and it will continue to happen.

How do you define "airliner"? Senior regional guys at some companies can make 70 or 80K flying the RJ's....which is very high tech and very much a jet. I'd say those kind of jobs could be easily reached by a mid-life career changer.

The odds of making it to a major and a 200K salary are no doubt less for the mid-life career changer but I don't think that should discourage a person from trying, so long as they know the truth.




User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Imiss, Delta hired some one last year who was in their early 50's. If you read my comment you would know that I understand he is starting from scratch. I wrote:
He should be able to get to the regionals in about 3 years, and after a 3-4 year stay there and then move to the majors, then he would only be 40, which considering the average hiring age at the Majors is 35, he would not be to far from the average! Heck I even included a time line on how it can be done! I like Don, am also interested in where you gained so much knowledge about airlines hiring?
I would also like to point you to Capt Bob's page (http://www.propilot.com) he was not hired by Skywest until he was 43.
Iain


User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

"Someone at the age of 33, with NO flying hours will NEVER pilot an airliner."

I MissPiedmont, get your mind out of the 1970s and go piss up a rope. Quit posting your garbage on this site.

(1). An Air Control Officer I knew in Japan took his first flying lesson in 1993 at age 35. In 1995 he got out of the Marine Corps and went to FSI. He stayed on with FSI for quite awhile instructing and later got a corporate job flying KingAire 350s (which he trained to fly on FSI's dime). In 1999 he was hired by Mesaba and sits right seat on an Avro RJ--now don't you feel stupid. BTW, I just got an e-mail from him and he's ready to upgrade. Gee, he's ummm... 41 now.

(2). Regardless if the economy is in a dip or not, the airlines are hiring at a frantic rate compared to the days when Piedmont flew. Anyone in mid 30s/40s with zero flight time, a few bucks, and a disciplined approach can make it into the right seat of an airliner.

(3). Lastly, I'll offer you a suggestion: Gather your facts before you post your information. Come back here after you have made a few night traps, logged 150 hours actual in night IMC in a MU2, flew 5 approaches IFR in one day by hand in a BE1900C in the Midwest in January, and logged over 7,000 hours TT.



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3688 times:

Requirements for a job are a funny thing......

The more desprate somebody is for a person the less harsh the requirements are. And they change over time.


In the US anyway most of the age requirements, save the age 60 rule, have pretty much been tanked thanks to the shortage of pilots and the frequency of age discrimination lawsuits.

Hey if it you dream. Go for it....Good Luck!




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6281 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

I apoligize if I was wrong. I admit that I was going back to the 70s on this one. To quote one of my favourite songs,"..... and if I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know.."

5islander. GO FOR IT! I admit never is a long time. It's nice to see that things have changed as has been so generously pointed out to me.

Keep your dream.

PS : to all, I'll keep posting, but only on that that I am positive of. If I'm not sure there will be a qualification stating this.

Steve  Embarrassment




Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
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