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UA 747 In S.F. Fleet Week  
User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13604 times:

UA will make an appearance at this years Fleet Week by sending a 747 in a fly by. It would be something if they painted the aircraft in their new UA/CO livery to promote their merger. Lat year, VX sent a 320 to the festivities.

http://www.fleetweek.us/Air_Show.html


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13542 times:

Quoting legacyins (Thread starter):
UA will make an appearance at this years Fleet Week by sending a 747 in a fly by. It would be something if they painted the aircraft in their new UA/CO livery to promote their merger. Lat year, VX sent a 320 to the festivities.

Now I'm thinking this may happen. There is another event on Oct 10th for UA that hints at a widebody painted in the new scheme, but doesn't say what kind. There will also be the 738 at that event. I think it's some kind of family day.

So... fly by for fleet week and land at family day with a newly painted 744? stranger things have happened.

IIRC, DL painted a 744 very quickly into the new DL scheme upon merger close. It's the biggest flying billboard in the USA.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2984 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13249 times:
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I believe the 747 is PART of UNITED's brand equity. How many 747's did UA have 10 years ago? Today i think it's about 24 (?). Nonetheless, after PanAm (to a degree TWA) and since I'm a New Yorker I rarely saw NW 747's (so i bet in their parts of the world they were a 747 operator - although their 1961 DC-9's made them more famous (infamous) that overshadowed the fact NW was the first to fly the 747-400!

Back to UA, I strongly believe that the 747 is a real part of UA's brand equity. Equally, (although I know they had some) CO is NOT a 747 airline. Seeing a 747-400 in the new UA livery = CO's livery, with UNITED branding would be a powerful way to support the merger. For me, and I bet many others, it would be the ultimate in realizing the merger.
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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13189 times:

Where does UA paint their planes? VCV?

Nice surprise if it is true.



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User currently offlineLouieP2186 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12817 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1):
There will also be the 738 at that event.

It's actually a B737-900ER Ship #442 now in the new "UNITED" colors.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12719 times:

I'm still wondering about the off lease UA B744 that was ferried from VCV to BKK a couple of weeks ago. Other members have indicated with some certainty that the aircraft was going to another carrier based in Thailand,but...

User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12512 times:
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Quoting 9252fly (Reply 5):
I'm still wondering about the off lease UA B744 that was ferried from VCV to BKK a couple of weeks ago. Other members have indicated with some certainty that the aircraft was going to another carrier based in Thailand,but...

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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12291 times:

What day is the 744 doing the fly by?

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4778 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12140 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 2):
CO is NOT a 747 airline.

Interesting statement !




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User currently offlineflyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 319 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12083 times:

As a sponsor of San Francisco's Fleet Week 2010, United Airlines will present a Boeing 747-400 as part of the air show. Painted in the 2006 "current" blue and white livery, the aircraft will perform a low fly-by from the Bay Bridge, over Alcatraz Island, past San Francisco along Crissy Field and the Marina Green, and then slowly climb out to sea over the Golden Gate Bridge.

If you're in the city, you can see the 747 fly past San Francisco between 2:35 PM and 2:50 PM on Friday October 8th, Saturday October 9th, and again on Sunday, October 10th. The fly-by will occur at about the same time each day.

I hope a.netters get some great photos and post them here!

[Edited 2010-10-07 17:31:27]

User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11754 times:

Quoting flyua (Reply 9):
As a sponsor of San Francisco's Fleet Week 2010, United Airlines will present a Boeing 747-400 as part of the air show. Painted in the 2006 "current" blue and white livery, the aircraft will perform a low fly-by from the Bay Bridge, over Alcatraz Island, past San Francisco along Crissy Field and the Marina Green, and then slowly climb out to sea over the Golden Gate Bridge.

Is this an official statement or internal memo or something?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11733 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 2):
How many 747's did UA have 10 years ago?

44.

Wonder if they will get back to that number. Maybe after the merger and when they order the B 747-8


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11407 times:
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Highly unlikely UA will order the 748. As for the flyua guy, if his statement is true, this is a huge blunder by the new UA. Hundreds of thousands of people will be watching all around the Bay. This is the best time for UA to show one if its big markets its new brand. To fly one with the colors of the former airline would tell me UA just doesn't get marketing.

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2984 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11153 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Reply 8):

I said they had them in the past!!! I also know they had even more when CO was orange with the meatball logo.. But you have to be at least 50 (my age) to remember them doing transcons. When i think of a CO 747 i also think of Charlie's Angels! And the few they kept and painted the curreny blue livery mostly were in Guam. (that was a total guess based on an old CO route map. And did CO ever have 400's? So i hold to my statement that CO hasn't been a 747 airline in such a long time, it would have been fresh to see one in a low fly.



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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

While it would have been nice to have a newly painted UA 744 but they do run these aircraft pretty tight. N199UA is the only aircraft that was down for some time (about a month) but it's due to fly out tomorrow.

I think we'll be seeing N197UA this weekend.



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10497 times:

Quoting legacyins (Thread starter):
It would be something if they painted the aircraft in their new UA/CO livery to promote their merger.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 2):
I believe the 747 is PART of UNITED's brand equity.

Quoting flyua (Reply 9):
As a sponsor of San Francisco's Fleet Week 2010, United Airlines will present a Boeing 747-400 as part of the air show.


It seems to me UA will have one more fly-round of the peninsula in its old colors for sentimental reasons.



flyua, your description was very evocative -- the 744 passing low over the Golden Gate Bridge and continuing west... If you are looking out of the windows on the left side of the aircraft, you may be able to pick out where Madeleine Elster dropped flowers into the water!

I think Fleet Week is a worthy celebration, and I'm glad UA is part of it. Next year it will probably be a globe tail.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 13):
But you have to be at least 50 (my age) to remember them doing transcons.

That didn't last long. Back in Jan 1987 I flew on an ex-PEX 747 EWR-SFO. The first scheduled aircraft had a mechanical, but it was only about two hours before a new 747 was ready. They put me in F upstairs, along with only one other person, then they decided we should consolidate down in zone A. This plane had CO gold-orange-red stripes and the meatball on the outside. I had a great flight, not noticing the lack of IFE!


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10460 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 8):
Quoting VC10er (Reply 2):
CO is NOT a 747 airline.

Interesting statement !




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You only quoted a portion of his statement. The complete statement was:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 2):
Equally, (although I know they had some) CO is NOT a 747 airline.



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User currently offlineiahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3468 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10352 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 2):
I know they had some) CO is NOT a 747 airline.

CO had nine 747s... two -100, seven -200 .. Forget just when they were phased out



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10106 times:

Quoting flyua (Reply 9):
Painted in the 2006 "current" blue and white livery

Even when you put it in quotes, it's still not the current livery. Globe and grey is the current livery.

But I think the blue and white livery is one of the best liveries ever to grace a 747. It doesn't work on every aircraft, but on the 747, it's awesome.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 17):
CO had nine 747s... two -100, seven -200 .. Forget just when they were phased out

777s and 767s replaced 747s and DC10s starting in 1998.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20335 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9973 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 12):
To fly one with the colors of the former airline would tell me UA just doesn't get marketing.

Or that they just don't care about their corporate image.

Back when CO adopted their new livery, Bethune was in such a rush to get it all done that he jokingly threatened to shoot one of his painting overseers if he didn't get the job done on time.

UA has already got a bad enough reputation for their product and image as it stands. Less than half the fleet repainted 5 years after a new livery was introduced, interiors to some A/C that haven't been redone since 1990, planes in the old livery that are faded and dull, it's a disgrace.

And passengers, particularly Asian business passengers (not exactly a low-yield market), do notice and they do care.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
UA has already got a bad enough reputation for their product and image as it stands. Less than half the fleet repainted 5 years after a new livery was introduced, interiors to some A/C that haven't been redone since 1990, planes in the old livery that are faded and dull, it's a disgrace.

So true. And considering how great the 744 looks in the white and blue, you'd think they'd try to get their most visible birds painted sooner than later in that scheme.

The new UA (run by CO) will paint their planes faster. And hopefully they will get the interior product moving along faster too, once they announce their plan later this month.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9950 times:
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Doc, UA needs to get with it. The high yield Asian business market is the fastest growing premium market. SQ already kills them in terms of overall ratings. We all know that the premium market is where the airlines make their money. You simply can't hope to rake in the bucks if you have poorly coordinated marketing scheme (i.e. slow to adopt new livery, slow to upgrade interiors/soft product).

Perhaps someone inside UA can rebut this comment but from the outside, it appears to be the case. I hope the new chemistry with UA/CO management pumps some urgency into coordination of the fleet/product and an emphasis on quality.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9929 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 22):
Perhaps someone inside UA can rebut this comment but from the outside, it appears to be the case.

And from the outside is where it matters. It's what the consumer sees.



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User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9794 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 23):
And from the outside is where it matters. It's what the consumer sees.

Agree and UAL does not seem to care that their planes look like a collection of hand me downs---people see the various color schemes and do wonder why it goes on forever and do make the mistake that they must be old and/or used. Northwest taught us that they could put lipstick on a pig and make it a beauty as they kept up the appearance on nearly 40 year old DC-9's. Here at SFO, if they had a good product they could compete with the Asian carriers that continue to add lift.....but they do not seem to care. .


25 AirCalSNA : Anyone catch the fly-by? New colors?
26 RoseFlyer : Have you been on one of the new generation 747s recently? Ever since Sr VP or maintenance, Jim Keenan took over cabin appearance/cleanliness, things
27 lindy field : Both yesterday and today, the 747 was in the white top/blue belly United colors. I'll try to put some photos on myaviation.net in the next day or two
28 Post contains images scutfarcus : I saw it - awesome. It was really surreal to see a plane that big maneuver that low over the city and take some very tight turns. Roared off over the
29 stealth777 : if the new colors you are speaking off are the CO tail, no it was not. However it was in the current Blue and White colors of UA. Maybe tomorrow they
30 as739x : It has been a '06 livery both days. The only 747 in the gray (194) has been around but was sitting at plot 41 all day today (and why would they fly th
31 N505FX : Really? Care to list which aircraft those are?
32 GenYBusTrvlr : Old (Blue/White - Not Battleship). I live on the 18th floor of a glass building facing SF Bay right near the Bay Bridge. I've been quite annoyed by f
33 Max Q : Understood. Continental had two Era's of the 747. Originally taking delivery of four 124's in the 70's under the legendary Bob Six. These were phased
34 Post contains images PacificClipper : I was actually on the Bay Bridge (westbound) around 2:30-2:45 today but missed it. Was that the time to catch it, as mentioned earlier in the thread?
35 DesertFlyer : I saw the fly by today, and it was great! It initially came in over the Golden Gate. Then the gear and flaps were extended and a loop was made around
36 Post contains links SFOA380 : There's a video of it here at about the 2 minute mark. http://www.google.com/url?url=http:/...AFQjCNFEExE2Ww7qyKcJhzsVteNm-U9zrw
37 Post contains links CAETravlr : I found this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKNmBe_2vMQ Hope to see more pics!
38 26point2 : I was in Bolinas on Sunday. Bolinas is on the coast a few miles North and outside the GG Bridge. UAL 747 made several circuits offshore at about 3000-
39 Post contains images 9V-SPJ : Yes, I saw her on Sunday, really beautiful. UA made sure they sent a nice, clean 747 to the party 9V-SPJ
40 alexinwa : Thats really cool. So who gets to pilot the plane. How'd that crew get so lucky? I'm guessing the plane was empty. What did you do today? "Oh not much
41 Zone1 : Hopefully pictures of this end up in the A.net picture database. It will be my new background.
42 Post contains links sean1234 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/51508337@N08/ I took these down by Crissy Field. Unfortunately I only had a 50mm lens with me.[Edited 2010-10-11 21:34:22
43 JoePatroni : Cool pictures! Thanks. It was so fun seeing a 747-400 fly that close to the city. The 3rd flyby was my favorite. The wings were clean and he had to h
44 Post contains links United787 : CNN is now reporting that the 747 "just misses" the Golden Gate Bridge... I guess CNN never heard of perspective... I know the media gets bashed a lot
45 Post contains images N6238P : That may be the worst bit of reporting involving aviation ever. Not only did they completely butcher the facts but they also tried to spin this as a f
46 TPAJAY : OMG!!!, I just watched this on CNN. These reporters are totally clueless!!!. Any respect I had for CNN just went out the window, talk about dramatizin
47 Post contains links United1 : ...this is about as close to CNN is going to come to saying "we made much ado about nothing." http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/19...air-show-maneuver
48 Post contains links ericaasen : You should check out AOL's worthless news feed. They're claiming the plane 'grazed' the Golden Gate bridge! Simply unbelievable. http://news.travel.a
49 Post contains links N53614 : I was at Fleet Week on Saturday (10/09) and got a shot of the 747-- http://www.flickr.com/photos/richsny...5065997495/sizes/l/in/photostream/ It was r
50 AADC10 : The new colors are not that important in San Francisco since it has long been a UA hub. The new colors would probably be far more important in New Yo
51 Post contains links cpd : And news.com.au (News Limited) is reporting that people were outraged(!!!) by the fly-over, that it reminded them of 9/11: http://www.news.com.au/trav
52 Post contains images 328JET : Old iron flies over old iron...
53 Schweigend : Fair enough, but Old Fort Point is now imbued with Madeleine's presence. And the images of Novak silhouetted with the Bridge behind her were shot on
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