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Why Is The Saha 707 So Filthy?  
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14050 times:

I flew many, many flights on 707s in the past and loved every second of that experience. It was the perfect airplane for its time and I'd love to fly on one again. That said, while I am glad that there is still one in service, I have wondered why in the world the airplane is in such a dilapidated and disgusting condition. Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7435 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13928 times:

Is the availability of spares a factor.

User currently offlineodwyerpw From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13891 times:

because it's really, really, really old.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

I have had this thing about going back to Tehran and flying in some of these old birds. I think I will go in 2011 provided that Iran does not get attacked and world events allow me to go there. LH has daily flights to IKA using 346s.
Seems that they Saha are flying the 707 to Kish Island - not a bad place - HM the Shah and Empress used to be flown there on the French Concorde prototype - I will be quite happy to try that old B-707.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

Saha operates now only 2 B707 : EP-SHG & EP-SHV.
They fly mosty to/from THR to KIH (Kish Island) and MHD (Mashhad).


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1071 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12783 times:

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Thread starter):
I have wondered why in the world the airplane is in such a dilapidated and disgusting condition. Any thoughts?

An old saying - "Whatever the question is, the answer is money"


User currently offlineq120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12581 times:

I saw the subject title and had to respond,

1. Its an old 707
2. Its in regular service in a hot, dusty climate
3. Its ghetto IRAN aviation

I dont know if you havent noticed, Iranin aviation is a few decades behind, they have one of the most antque air forces in the world, those F-4 phantoms are from the Saha era. Iranin aviaiton reminds me of American made chevys in Cuba with Russian Lada engines, im assuming most of their spare parts are coming from third-party suppliers. To believe that a 707 is still flying regular scheudled passenger services is a tribute to their mechanics thats all I gotta say.

[Edited 2010-10-07 15:23:55 by srbmod]


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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12313 times:

Quoting q120 (Reply 11):
I dont know if you havent noticed, Iranin aviation is a few decades behind, they have one of the most antque air forces in the world, those F-4 phantoms are from the Saha era. Iranin aviaiton reminds me of American made chevys in Cuba with Russian Lada engines, im assuming most of their spare parts are coming from third-party suppliers.

This is quite right. But I hope this assessment will not trigger DOD people thinking that.....


User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12101 times:
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Quoting q120 (Reply 11):
a 707 is still flying regular scheudled passenger services is a tribute to their mechanics thats all I gotta say.

I have to agree. Good wrenches and someone who has a roladex full of old parts suppliers.....



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User currently offlineairtanker From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10440 times:
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Quoting ThirtyEcho (Thread starter):

It's mainly due to the JT-3D engines and the use of thrust reversers. Those are great old engines and they're real bullets, but they are always sooty and the soot migrates forward. The clam shells in the tail pipes blow all the exhaust forward and up when the reversers are deployed. The fan section just picks some of that up and so on... The bottoms of the wings will become almost completely black if not washed on a regular basis. I worked them on KC-135E's for many years and it took and never could keep my hands very clean after working on the engine.


User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9880 times:

Well if you have flown many many flights on 707's in the past like you said then you have seen the kind of exhaust trails those puppies leave. For the exact reasons airtanker said above and you have a serious dirty airplane. Mixed with the climate and your gonna have one dirty machine.

For example ever see a diesel car that has a stained black bumper from exhaust? Well there ya go same concept. Airplanes have a lot of grooves and panel lines etc etc.

So its not that the plane is neglected (although I dont know for sure maybe they are), thats just the nature of the beast.

James


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Just like the old Chevy in/line six cylinder engines...the gunk and oil held it together, but you couldn't kill it...
...If they washed the airframe...what would be revealed, may be frightening and illegal in most airspace...g


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Quoting q120 (Reply 6):
I dont know if you havent noticed, Iranin aviation is a few decades behind, they have one of the most antque air forces in the world, those F-4 phantoms are from the Saha era. Iranin aviaiton reminds me of American made chevys in Cuba with Russian Lada engines, im assuming most of their spare parts are coming from third-party suppliers. To believe that a 707 is still flying regular scheudled passenger services is a tribute to their mechanics thats all I gotta say.

Well the reason is exactly the same for both, an embargo.



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User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

I read somewhere they actually aren't that old for 707s, built in 1976 or so. As for the number of flight hours on the frames, well, let's just hope their maintenance crew is as extraordinary as it seems.


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7447 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting Numero4 (Reply 13):
I read somewhere they actually aren't that old for 707s, built in 1976 or so.

I remember seeing some NW DC9's come in to ROC that were built in the late 60's!



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User currently offlineodwyerpw From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting Numero4 (Reply 13):
I read somewhere they actually aren't that old for 707s, built in 1976 or so. As for the number of flight hours on the frames, well, let's just hope their maintenance crew is as extraordinary as it seems

all due respect...that is older then you are.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

The filth on the Saha 707 adds to the character and charm of the airline.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39681 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

I should get over to Iran to fly on one of these 707s.
The only 707 flight that I can actually remember flying on was an American Airlines 707 from Los Angeles to Chicago.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3452 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
I should get over to Iran to fly on one of these 707s.

Iran Air has the 747SPs flying from IKA to Suvarnabhumi. One of my Iranian contacts in Tehran did the fligths - he had a really great time sitting upstairs both ways. This is another one you could do as you are now living in BKK provided you can get a visa to get into the country.

I think we should all think of going there soon. Looking at the news coming from some places it may not be long before tshtf and once it starts there is no way we will ever be able to get over there.   



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39681 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
Iran Air has the 747SPs flying from IKA to Suvarnabhumi.

Wow, I didn't know that.
I caught a photo of their 747SP in Tokyo two years ago.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
I think we should all think of going there soon. Looking at the news coming from some places it may not be long before tshtf and once it starts there is no way we will ever be able to get over there.

Without getting political, seems like tshtf years ago.  



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