washingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10493 times:
What international flights did TWA operate on September 11th, 2001? I seem to recall news stories of TWA jets being diverted in Canada and elsewhere. I do not recall when TWA international operations ended though.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 9767 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9947 times:
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 2):
I guess a related question as well. What flights did AA have at JFK then besides LHR? And what TWA flights did they incorporate? I believe FCO & CDG but I might be mistaken
TWA sold the LHR routes to AA long before then in 1991. The last TWA JFK flights were to Israel, Cairo and CDG, everyelse had been terminated by then.
EMAman From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7966 times:
Yes it was sad how TWA ended up. They had struggled for years prior to their final demise in 2001.
They sold their LHR routes to AA in the early 90's, I think about the same time as Pan Am sold theirs to UA. TWA sold their LHR slots to AA desperate to claw in revenue, but of course, in the long term you have just simply sold away your market share and therefore market strength.
They did live on through the 90's, albeit on a knife edge.
The sad loss of flight 800 came in their last 5 years and the 9/11 terrorist attacks came about 8 weeks before the end, so yes it was all a very sad end at TWA.
I guess Pan Am also came to a similarly sad end, also with the destruction of flight 103 over Lockerbie in their last 3 years.
The modern day world of aviation owes so much to these two great pioneers.
MadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 416 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6873 times:
Not all of T5 was international though IIRC, one half of the terminal had the gates with the glass partition for FIS arrivals (one of the concourses connected by the famous tubes, the one of the left when looking at the terminal from the front). These were gate numbers in the 20's. The other concourse was domestic and I don't believe had the capability for FIS. These gates were numbered in the 30's & 40's.
sahsa From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5680 times:
Quoting chepos (Reply 17): I might be confusing things but I recall TWA sending a 757 to LIS, I think this was the case for BCN as well (towards the end of the route).
You are correct. There was also a routing, sometime between 1997 (when I began collecting their timetables) and the end when the route ran JFK-LIS-BCN 757. Perhaps the tag-on was during the low season.
Klima From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
When did TWA get rid of FCO? I remember at some point in the late 90's they were running two daily over the summer. I also remember hearing a rumor that they were considering starting service to Beirut, I think.
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1100 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5499 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 20): Actually, they built up virtually nothing from TWA at JFK. They folded TW in after 9/11 almost overnight. The second CDG stayed and MCO stayed initially. Everything else was pretty much gone.
Not even the TWA flight to CDG stayed. AA already had 2x daily JFK-CDG before they took over TWA. The TWA flight was a third one and was ended straight away after 9/11.
I think the only non-overlapping ex-TWA routes at JFK that AA has kept are CUN and STL, although they have since re-started JFK-MCO after dropping it the first time.
washingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5378 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 20): It was years later that AA started to build up it's European destinations from JFK.
Yes. But there was a huge downturn following 9/11 so it is understandable. Nonetheless, AA has in the past decade built up quite a trans-Atlantc operation:
LHR, CDG, BRU, ZRH, FCO, MAN, MAD, BCN, MXP...TW served a lot of these (FCO, MAD, BCN, etc) until close to its end.
Plus AA has EZE, GRU, NRT, and soon-to-be GIG...Quite an impressive JFK operation!
Does anybody happen to know if there are any ex-TW F/As still based at JFK for AA?
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 22): JFK-TLV ended in March 2001, right before AA took over. JFK-CAI-RUH ended in September 2001; it never resumed after the 9/11 suspension of flights.
Do you happen to know when CO launched EWR-TLV? I believe they did it in response to TW stopping JFK-TLV.
: It's amazing recently stl had widebody service to hnl, ogg, cdg and lgw .........now it's sadly RJ central at STL. I wish TWA had survived
: According to the 1990-1999 history timeline in the CO website, CO stated TLV service August 1, 1999. http://www.continental.com/web/en-us...ent/compa
: Didn't AA have JFK-FRA in the early 2000's? Flight 126 if I recall.
: AA did briefly attempt JFK-FRA (starting on 16th May 1999) but it did not last long, ending on 1st November 2000, over a year before 9/11. As for the
: Interesting. What aircraft? What else did AA try at JFK before purchasing TW? Also, on a side note, what aircraft was AA operating on LHR & CDG w
: The second time that AA started JFK-FRA was with 767 equipment. They tried quite a few routes from JFK, some of which have been brought back in more
: Mostly DC-10s I assume? Yes, I remember the advertisments for this! Didn't AA also operate 762s across the pond?
: It is amazing to see Delta & American at JFK today. They are very much the Pan Am and TWA of our time--Delta more so, especially since they still
: All one has to do is taxi by T2 and 3 to see how much more dominant is at JFK. They finally have a full-fledged hub to be proud of. There are widebodi
: Hey don't count AA out, with all the UA/CO & DAL/NW mergers they need to bulk up. Usairways is about as attractive as a Banana Republic, so that
: For anyone interested, here is a chart showing TWA's weekly departure numbers from JFK for a number of years between 1979 and 2001: www.departedflight
: And ironically AA choose to equip these with PTVs..
: I have a question about TWA's JFK-LHR flights. It looked like TWA operated only 2 daily JFK-LHR flights. Today, American flies 5 daily between JFK-LH
: I believe the "Bermuda 2" agreement applied only to the route, not the frequency. So if AA could get the slots they had approval to operate as many L
: Does anyone know when AA ceased to operate EWR-LHR? Cheers.