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History Of Longhauls To/from LGA?  
User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6705 posts, RR: 7
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

In the other thread

B727-23 Vs B727-123 (by longhauler Oct 3 2010 in Tech Ops)

the guy says he flew nonstop LGA-PHX several times 1982-86, tho he doesn't say they were scheduled flights. But if we do just consider flights that appeared in the timetable, what's the history of long-haul nonstops in and out of LGA? Far as I know it went like this:

Pan Am and maybe other airlines claimed to fly nonstop to London/Europe starting in the late 1940s; that ended 1950? 1951?

TWA showed a nonstop LGA-LAX and back in summer 1947, with the expected fuel-stop-may-be-needed footnote; no idea how often they actually flew either way nonstop

UA had a nonstop DC-6 LGA-DEN and back around 1953-- didn't last long (replaced by a DC-7, which presumably needed IDL)

UA resumed DEN-LGA nonstops in the late 1960s, but nobody? flew LGA-DEN nonstop until CO about 1981

Nobody? scheduled nonstops farther than DEN between 1951 and... when did those Saturday-only LGA-LAX nonstops start?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
Pan Am and maybe other airlines claimed to fly nonstop to London/Europe starting in the late 1940s; that ended 1950? 1951?

Virtually all LGA-Europe flights in those days required at least one, sometimes two, fuel stops, generally at Gander and/or Shannon. There may have been a very occasional eastbound nonstop when winds were very favorable and load was light.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2993 times:
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Pan AM had the flying boats leaving from the Marine Air Terminal for Europe and all over the world.

User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Virtually all LGA-Europe flights in those days required at least one, sometimes two, fuel stops

Virtually all of them did. Apparently Pan Am figured they could make LGA-LHR nonstop often enough to claim a nonstop in some of their timetables.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Pan AM had the flying boats leaving from the Marine Air Terminal

This thread is just about long nonstop flights.


User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Several airlines have tried Saturday only flying when the perimeter rule doesn't qualify. AA has been successful on LGA-EGE because a large percentage of passengers go saturday to saturday and has pretty high average ticket prices. I think an airline has or still flies LGA-Auruba and has tried LGA-SJU on Saturdays only. ATA tried saturday non-stops to SFO which failed too infrequent again.

Delta tried to fly to LAS, LAX and SLC on Saturdays only. I dont think delta flies any of them anymore too infrequent to be useful for most people. SLC was the only one they attempted more than once, Saturday only was flown last Winter IIRC but i don't see it this winter.

DEN is past the perimeter its a special exception to the rule.
DL would certainly fly to SLC in a heartbeat if it were possible more than Saturdays, US to PHX, and multiple airlines would fight to fly to LAX and SFO if it were possible. United P.S. i bet would move in a heartbeat if it were possible.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 4):
I think an airline has or still flies LGA-Auruba and has tried LGA-SJU on Saturdays only.
CO still operates LGA-AUA-LGA on Saturday during the winter with a 738. That flight has existed for a few years if memory correct. This year it looks like the first flight is November 13.

[Edited 2010-10-07 16:38:11]

User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

IIRC it was US that tried SAT only LGA-SJU service for a while

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2514 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 4):
DEN is past the perimeter its a special exception to the rule.
DL would certainly fly to SLC in a heartbeat if it were possible more than Saturdays, US to PHX, and multiple airlines would fight to fly to LAX and SFO if it were possible. United P.S. i bet would move in a heartbeat if it were possible.

IIRC, DL flew Sat only LGA-LAX in 2007ish. Very interesting route indeed.



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User currently offlinefoxbravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2948 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 4):
AA has been successful on LGA-EGE because a large percentage of passengers go saturday to saturday and has pretty high average ticket prices

Yes, this has almost certainly been the longest running and most successful farther-than-DEN flight out of LGA in the last few decades. AA has been operating the flight each year for ski season since they started in the late 80s or early 90s, and it's always packed. In the beginning they had to make a fuel stop at DEN on the return flight, but they started going nonstop both ways when they extended the runway at EGE. For at least one season (1999), UA also had a Saturday nonstop to EGE.



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