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AerSale To Acquire 19 JAL 747-400s  
User currently offlinekc135r From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 728 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14067 times:

According to the article, AerSale a "global provider of aftermarket aircraft, engines, and their component parts to airlines, leasing companies, and OEM/MRO service providers" is purchasing what looks to be the entirety of the non 400D JAL 747 fleet.

The reason I quoted the company info above is because the article is a little confusing - on the one hand it says most of them will continue to fly as freighters or passenger aircraft. On the other hand it says that "a few" of the airfract will be disassembled and "a good many" of the 76 engines will be disassembled. It seems to be a contradiction and, considering the company's primary function, it's possible many of them will be parted out - does anyone have a better understanding of what's being said?

Link:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...0-aircraft-from-jal-104498119.html

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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13628 times:

I make it to mean that the planes will be converted if needed, or used if needed, but that engines will be taken from them until that point. And when one is required, engines put on it and off it goes after checks.

Is that even a viable proposition? How much does it cost to park 19 B747-446s?

[Edited 2010-10-07 20:19:46]

User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13623 times:

Interesting. Even more interesting with the recent rumors of DL wanting more 744s and talk about AA wanting some as well

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13560 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 2):
rumors of DL wanting more 744s

And they do use GE-CF6 engines on their B767-300 aircraft too, don't they? There could be useful benefits to getting GE powered B747 planes.

And I'd guess these would be better than the QF ones that were apparently for sale (the so-called 'ugly sisters' VH-OEC and VH-OED). Both of those were ex-Malaysia Airlines.

[Edited 2010-10-07 20:31:13]

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12578 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 3):
And I'd guess these would be better than the QF ones that were apparently for sale (the so-called 'ugly sisters' VH-OEC and VH-OED). Both of those were ex-Malaysia Airlines.

Why? These are 744D's. That means shorter range, no winglets, probably lowertakeoff weights and no doubt very high cycles as these things were built for japanese domestic trunk routes. I dont think they even flew ever to any other asian countries, not even close ones like South Korea.

I dare say the QF ones, while old and slightly problematic due to some issues with MAS configurations for QF, are probably more capable as long haul aircraft and freighters.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12433 times:
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Quoting kc135r (Thread starter):
is purchasing what looks to be the entirety of the non 400D JAL 747 fleet.
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 4):
Why? These are 744D's. That means shorter range, no winglets, probably lowertakeoff weights and no doubt very high cycles as these things were built for japanese domestic trunk routes



@Lufthansa - may I suggest you re-read the original post ... these are apparently not 744Ds .



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12400 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 4):
Why? These are 744D's

No, these are likely the NON-744D's:

Quoting kc135r (Thread starter):
what looks to be the entirety of the non 400D JAL 747 fleet.

So lower cycles and probably also well maintained.

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 2):
Even more interesting with the recent rumors of DL wanting more 744s and talk about AA wanting some as well

Indeed, very interesting as to what will happen with them. Could be that they will just be parted out, or converted to freighters. These jets vary in age from 20 to 11 years old, so some of them have a lot of life in them left. I really hope they find another life in pax service.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
@Lufthansa - may I suggest you re-read the original post ... these are apparently not 744Ds .

AerSale has bought some 744Ds from JAL some months ago already which are reportedly to be dismantled.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8500 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11068 times:
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Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 4):
Why? These are 744D's. That means shorter range, no winglets, probably lowertakeoff weights and no doubt very high cycles as these things were built for japanese domestic trunk routes.

You are confusing 747SR with 744D, the SR was built for short haul Japanesse flights. The 744D were built for short haul use for a few years then they would have winglets put on and become regular 744's capable of flights to LHR and JFK from NRT. The 744D concept was to rotate planes with a few years of high cycle domestic use into low cycle long haul use.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10883 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 8):
You are confusing 747SR with 744D, the SR was built for short haul Japanesse flights. The 744D were built for short haul use for a few years then they would have winglets put on and become regular 744's capable of flights to LHR and JFK from NRT. The 744D concept was to rotate planes with a few years of high cycle domestic use into low cycle long haul use.

While ANA did that with a few of their 744Ds, JAL didnt. Their 744Ds have been operated on shorthaul all their life. Thats the reason why they are apparently broken up now while ANA keeps them for some more years.


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10082 times:

Yeah, this is an announcement from the glue factory that they just bought a bunch of horses.

It does not bode well for the horses.


Hopefully the rumors that Delta / AA want GE powered 747's are true. It would be a shame to see so many younger 747's chopped up.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10026 times:

I do not see them all being chopped.

possibly the older frames/B747-400D's.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9933 times:

Assuming that the B747-400D are excluded, then the 1990 build look most vulnerable.

However, we do not know which airframes are due for a D Check.


User currently offlinecruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9906 times:

I wonder what they will do with their massive HNL operations without the 747s.


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3829 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7254 times:

Quoting cruiseshipcrew (Reply 13):
I wonder what they will do with their massive HNL operations without the 747s.

High-density 77Ws, anyone? That seems most likely.



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User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7231 times:
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The number of 747-400's in storage is dropping every week and I would anticipate that most of the JAL birds will find new homes--however, 3 of them are now positioned for the scrapper---one at Oscoda in Michigan and two at Walnut Ridge in Arkansas.

User currently offlinektachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1805 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 14):
High-density 77Ws, anyone? That seems most likely.

True, I always thought the higher density B772ER would replace them but for the time being, it seems they are putting a B763 on every single route to replace the B744 and welcoming more competitors in low yielding market?

Everything is scheduled to become a B763ER and in terms of our airport, they are already doing so.

May I mind you, DL would be coming in in December with a B763ER so overall capacity would remain fairly similar to when JL operated the B744



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User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

With Transaero taking JAL's newest 10 B744's, it only really leaves the older JA807x and JA 808x series B744's and JA8910 available. JA8913 and JA8919 have already gone to RME.

Also the article states AerSales are too acquire 19 birds this surely must include the stored BCF's as I can only see 14 non 744D's that are active or stored at VCV these are: 8073/8074/8075/8076/8077/8078/8079/8081/8082/8085/8087/8088/8089 and JA8910. If you include the BCF's JA8902/8906/8909/8911 and 8915 = 19.

I have JA8901 and JA8905 stored/scrapped at ARG.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 17):
Also the article states AerSales are too acquire 19 birds this surely must include the stored BCF's as I can only see 14 non 744D's that are active or stored at VCV these are: 8073/8074/8075/8076/8077/8078/8079/8081/8082/8085/8087/8088/8089 and JA8910. If you include the BCF's JA8902/8906/8909/8911 and 8915 = 19.

JA8071 and JA8086, which are not in your list, are among those sold to AerSale. I wouldnt be too suprised if one or the other BCF would find a home with Kalitta.


User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 846 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

Who's taken the 744Fs?


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 19):
Who's taken the 744Fs?

I havent heard anything about a sale of these two beautiful freighters. It shouldnt be too difficult to find a new home for them.


User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

CX was mentioned as being in talks for JA401J and 402J.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 21):
CX was mentioned as being in talks for JA401J and 402J.

Could be as they are transferring 4 BCFs (I think all PW-powered) to a joint venture with Air China and the 748Fs are coming late. And the silver fuselage would fit them already.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

QF744ER

Where is ARG please ?.


I have JA8901 and JA8905 as both stored.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26003 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5423 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 23):
Where is ARG please ?.

Walnut Ridge, Arkansas, where many aircraft go to be parted out, for example this ex-Varig 777-200 (originally BA).



25 Bennett123 : So they do not have a future?
26 jfk777 : Does any one know what 19 JAL 744 are in thos sale ? when were they delivered.
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