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Smoking Allowed In Crew Rest?  
User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14989 times:


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I'm looking at the lavatory door in this LH A380 crew rest picture...I noticed an ashtray. Is smoking allowed in the crew rest? Are there laws in Germany against smoking in the workplace?

If smoking is allowed, I noticed there's a smoke detector in the ceiling (top middle of the picture)...or is that some other device?


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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14958 times:

I think it's just a case of having them for the sake of having them. If Germany is anything like the rest of Western Europe (and I suspect it is, Germans being Germans), then smoking in a workplace is illegal.

User currently offlinebojangles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14958 times:

Absolutely not! All EU a/c toilets have to have an ashtray so that if someone is caught smoking there is somewhere safe to extinguish the cigarette.

[Edited 2010-10-08 07:35:26]

User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2922 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14542 times:

Quoting bojangles (Reply 2):
All EU a/c toilets have to have an ashtray so that if someone is caught smoking there is somewhere safe to extinguish the cigarette.

What's wrong with just flushing it - even safer.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3283 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14486 times:

It is a big NO SMOKING sign just above the ashtray, so that should answer your question

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14198 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 4):
It is a big NO SMOKING sign just above the ashtray

It's a big "No smoking in the lavatory" sign. However, I suspect it's more a reminder that smoking in the lavatory is no less an offence than smoking anywhere else on the aircraft.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14165 times:

It's meant for the smokeless cigarette smoker. Bad habits are tough to break. Give them something to "tap" a pretend cigarette in......  

BTW: Has anyone seen one of those smokeless cigarettes used on an airplane? I have. I thought it was a hilarious sight, with the vapor rising from behind the seat. Nobody said a word.

[Edited 2010-10-08 11:29:41]


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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5146 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14118 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 6):
BTW: Has anyone seen one of those smokeless cigarettes used on an airplane?

I havent - they are banned on most airlines as far as I know.


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13442 times:
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Quoting bojangles (Reply 2):
Absolutely not! All EU a/c toilets have to have an ashtray so that if someone is caught smoking there is somewhere safe to extinguish the cigarette.

Same for the US.
Even though it has been banned a long time - Ashtrays are still found around the lavatories.
From a Mx point of view they also need to be installed (can't be missing).


User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12907 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 7):
I havent - they are banned on most airlines as far as I know.

The smokeless cigarettes should not be banned from public places, including airplanes. I am referring to a product such as a http://www.gamucci.com/. There is no flame. The only question is does it pass security screening.

It does is not smokeless tobacco either, which is prohibited inflight.

I'm not a smoker (now or prior), but believe these should be permitted.



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User currently offlineflybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12718 times:

Quoting bojangles (Reply 2):
Absolutely not! All EU a/c toilets have to have an ashtray so that if someone is caught smoking there is somewhere safe to extinguish the cigarette.

This is correct. The no smoking placard is there to indicate the ban on smoking in the aircraft. The ashtray is there so that there is a safe place to extinguish the cigarette in the event someone breaks the rule.

Flushing a cigarette down a vacuum lavatory system like most other inflexible debris is just asking for trouble in the long run.



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 6):

Ashtrays are installed on toilet doors for a place to safely put it out, away from any ignition source.

At my old airline... even those fake cigerettes were banned on all aircraft!  



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User currently offlineRTWflyer From American Samoa, joined Oct 2010, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10418 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 5):
t's a big "No smoking in the lavatory" sign. However, I suspect it's more a reminder that smoking in the lavatory is no less an offence than smoking anywhere else on the aircraft.

AFAIK smoking in the cockpit is allowed. Is that correct? I was once told pilots have this right, so they do not get withdrawal symptoms and get less concentrated on the job of flying.
When flying, I have sometimes noticed the smell of cigarette smoke outside the cockpit. Maybe on selected airlines only?   



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User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 502 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

Quoting RTWflyer (Reply 12):
AFAIK smoking in the cockpit is allowed

Don't think so. In most western European countries workers have the legal right to a smoke free workplace.


User currently offlinekimberlyrj From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 14):
Don't think so. In most western European countries workers have the legal right to a smoke free workplace.

I can only speak for England but we can’t smoke in a public place (pub, club, shopping centre etc).

This includes the ‘work place’ for example a lorry driver can’t smoke in the lorry as it’s classified as the work place and if you have a company car you can’t legally smoke it that either (though I am not sure if the companies that own the cars actually enforce the law).

Way before this law came into place you could not smoke onboard an aircraft and like the lavatory the crew rest areas are monitored by both smoke and heat detectors so you would not get away with it either.

I find these days the ashtrays on an aircraft are used for chewing gum mostly (YUK).

Kimberly


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2922 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 10):
Flushing a cigarette down a vacuum lavatory system like most other inflexible debris is just asking for trouble in the long run.

Tampon applicators are far less flexible than a (wet) cigarette.



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User currently offlinepawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

I can only echo everyone else's point as to the reason Ashtrays are installed is to have a safe place to extinguish a cigarette should someone be caught smoking. It's that, flush it down the toilet or cause a fire by placing it in the washroom bin. I've caught a couple of people smoking in the toilets at work...

Quoting peanuts (Reply 6):
BTW: Has anyone seen one of those smokeless cigarettes used on an airplane? I have.

Not only have I seen them, I frequently sell them on the giftshop service at easyJet  

JG  



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8997 times:

Quoting RTWflyer (Reply 12):
AFAIK smoking in the cockpit is allowed. Is that correct? I was once told pilots have this right, so they do not get withdrawal symptoms and get less concentrated on the job of flying.
When flying, I have sometimes noticed the smell of cigarette smoke outside the cockpit. Maybe on selected airlines only?

Some but not all carriers.



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User currently offlinekimberlyrj From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 17):
Tampon applicators are far less flexible than a (wet) cigarette.

True but you would never find a woman putting applicator down the lavatory.

I think its common sense not to put a cigarette down the loo and out it in the ashtray (not that I have ever smoked).

Kimberly


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 6):
BTW: Has anyone seen one of those smokeless cigarettes used on an airplane? I have. I thought it was a hilarious sight, with the vapor rising from behind the seat. Nobody said a word.

I'd be curious to see what the reaction is on a plane I was on. Actually, I've never seen one in person period.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 9):
It does is not smokeless tobacco either, which is prohibited inflight.

Really? That must not be very heavily enforced (at least in the US); I used to see cups full of chew spit all the time...

Quoting kimberlyrj (Reply 24):
True but you would never find a woman putting applicator down the lavatory.

Maybe, but I think you'd be surprised what people try to flush down them...



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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

Quoting kimberlyrj (Reply 24):
True but you would never find a woman putting applicator down the lavatory.

I disagree with this. "Flushable" applicators are marketed here. I'm sure many women would flush them on a plane. However, the applicators are made of cardboard, so should quickly come apart.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8167 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 25):
I'd be curious to see what the reaction is on a plane I was on. Actually, I've never seen one in person period.



Of the countless times i've flown since they became mainstream, i've only seen it used once on a commercial flight. No one including the F/As said anything. I do however see it a lot now in public especially indoors like malls, smoke free restaurants, etc.



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User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8125 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 4):
It is a big NO SMOKING sign just above the ashtray, so that should answer your question



That was my first thought at first also. I looked a little further and noticed it says "No Smoking in Lavatory" Is that on the outside of a lavatory door? If so maybe it is not meant for the crew rest area. Also, right under the red sign is a gray sign with "ashtray" written on it, and a plague under it, also gray, shaped as an arrow pointing to said ashtray. I have no idea what this all means, if anything, it is just an observation.



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1284 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

I've got the electric smokeless cigarette thing, and am using it whenever flying long-haul. Have done so on a number of different airlines, in plain view of the cabin attendants, and nobody's ever said anything.


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User currently offlineadxmatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 6):
BTW: Has anyone seen one of those smokeless cigarettes used on an airplane? I have. I thought it was a hilarious sight, with the vapor rising from behind the seat. Nobody said a word.

They are prohibited on continental.

Regarding the lavs....
DO NOT FLUSH ANYTHING down the toilet expect the toilet paper.

It is so easy to clog the pipes. It's amazing how many a/c each week are taken out of service to find the clog. It is also amazing what people flush down the toilet.


25 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Cigarettes, newspapers, money, passports, infants...
26 sancho99504 : For the first time in 10 years, I was asked by a Comair flight attendant on an ATL-OKC leg to please throw my dip out. Apparently, while DL does ban
27 kl671 : It is an aircraft certification requirement that lavatories are equipped with ashtrays. FAR part 25.853 states Para (f) "Smoking is not to be allowed
28 Maverick623 : Not on any airplane that bans smoking anywhere else. Not to say it doesn't happen on less reputable carriers, but no smoking means no smoking. If a p
29 PiedmontINT : Why not just control yourself and not use on a flight at all? Spitting dip into a gatorade bottle is not only trashy and rude, but disgusting and uns
30 airportugal310 : Lord knows I do have my dip from time to time on an aircraft. Interesting story...flying EWR-ATL on CO and we are taxiing to the runway. I really wan
31 iairallie : Banned on my airline haven't seen anyone try or seen them at all anywherere for that matter although I know a friend bought one. So spitting into a b
32 Post contains images RTWflyer : That was my thought also, when I first heard about it. Thanks for clarifying
33 Post contains images Maverick623 : Dear Lord. God forbid I actually get an itch in a dry environment. I do it to my AME every time I go in for a medical LOL. If you tried to make me di
34 airportugal310 : Let me just make sure I got this right: you say it's gross to hand an FA a spit bottle, and that you would make someone dig it out of the trash. Tell
35 sancho99504 : But its ok when an FA is standing is asking you a question and is spitting in your face because they can't control their saliva? First, I do it discr
36 iairallie : It's never discrete it's an airplane nothing is discrete.
37 Post contains images LAX888 : LOL I love how this thread changed from a rather normal question to how one should behave on a plane when disposing garbage or body fluids!
38 sancho99504 : Sure you can, especially when one is seated in a window......Think about it......The only reason the FA caught me was because she was walking to the
39 Post contains images widget1580 : And now it is turning into a FA vs. pax thread . Go figure.
40 sancho99504 : It happens, although, I have to say, in all my travels, I've never seen a person light a cigarette on a plane before, but have seen plenty of people
41 Post contains images Maverick623 : I'm assuming you're talking after the smoking ban... Even still, in the 5 years I've been flying regularly I've seen it happen twice. It's one FA ver
42 mrskyguy : So BACK on topic.. it appears that smoking in the crew rest areas is prohibited. Are the new smokeless cigarettes permitted (despite some carriers ban
43 Maverick623 : My original response seems to have gotten lost in the topic-wandering: If it's banned in one part, it's banned in all parts.
44 Post contains links sancho99504 : http://www.delta.com/legal/index.jsp#smoke Delta just says tobacco is prohibited, but doesn't dive into electronic cigarettes, but since they're non-t
45 aajfksjubklyn : Pilots may smoke regardless of country so long as all crew in the cockpit agree it is ok.
46 Maverick623 : Um, no. Just.... no.
47 aajfksjubklyn : [quote=Maverick623,reply=46]Um, no. Just.... no.[/quote You are VERY incorrect my friend. Very....Trust me...this is the rule.
48 Post contains images RTWflyer : Hi aajfksjubklyn, could you give us a hint where this is stated, or why you know this to be true. Thanks.
49 PWM2TXLHopper : Some airlines permit them, some don't. But even on the ones that don't, if you just go into the rest room and vape, nobody will ever know! There's no
50 Maverick623 : Frankly, smoking cigarettes is bad. But that's going off topic, so we'll move along. This is true. LOL. Whatever dude. I know my FARs and OpsSpecs.
51 ThirtyEcho : If you want to smoke, step outside and get 20 feet away from the door.
52 PWM2TXLHopper : Agree, smoking is bad. But with e-cigarettes you're not smoking. You're vaping. And the fact is, steam isn't harmful in the smallest amount. Just bec
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