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UPS Ad - 6 Jumbos To China Each Week- Big Deal!  
User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

I saw a UPS ad and it said "Good Thing We FLy 6 Jumbos To China Each Week." Umm. who cares. CX flies like 15 "jumbos" there each week from the USA. I think that UPS downgraded themselves by this ad.

Airbus380

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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

Are you dense? SIX 747 FREIGHTERS. NOT PASSENGER SERVICE. Thats more than any other American parcel package carrier.


Fly Delta's Big Jets!
User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

I bet CX flies more 747Fs that that.

User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

But are they a parcel package specialist that offers DOOR-TO-DOOR service?

You BET, but do you KNOW? and do they fly them from the US?



Fly Delta's Big Jets!
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

Compare UPS' bottom line to any other shipping/freight company. Compare the profits of each company compared to revenue. They are unmatched! Have you ever heard the term of working smarter not harder? How many of those flights are full both ways for CX? Even if they are full then what profit returns are they getting to sell the open space?

This is how UPS can "downgrade" themselves with "only six " 747 flights a week and be the largest shipping company on the planet  Smile


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

That still leaves them with half as many flights as Fedex (11). Typical UPS, all fluff and no substance. Good advertising strategy though. Leave out the part that those six flights still make you the smallest player in the market and the uninformed are none the wiser. Its been an effective strategy in all their ad campaigns so until someone starts poking holes in their statements my hat is off to them.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

Hmmm... again users posting like they know everything w/o all the info. UPS is the only American Parcel carrier with service to mainland China. Hong Kong is not mainland China and traffic rights are awarded differently. So it is a really big deal to have those 6 weekly 747s to China. Especially since those parcels are handled by UPS personel in China too.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

UPS has less aircraft than Fed Ex want to know why? UPS can move more shipments by ground than air. Avgas is much more than diesel. Truck drivers make less than pilots. UPS also uses cargo ships! Not everything has to go by plane. UPS is experiencing higher growth to and from China than Fed Ex (fact) Fed Ex has more flights because they bought them from Evergreen some years ago. Fed Ex was using Fritz (a freight forwarder) an awful lot for Asian shipments. UPS bought Fritz before the China Flights. Now UPS is getting the PROFITABLE cargo and freight instead of spending dollars just to make pennies.

User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Fed Ex does fly to mainland China and they do have more flights than UPS using MD-11's not 747's (11 to 6) I'm kinda tired so I'm not going to take the time to figure out how much payload this would be for each. Sorry  Smile

UPS has had a partnership with Sinotrans since 1988 to deliver within mainland China. Sinotrans is one of the largest carriers in China. They wear UPS brown and drive UPS vehicles to deliver UPS packages.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

I will admit when I am wrong, but I swore I was right.

It seems FedEx has had China rights since 1995 and their website claims they have 8 weekly flights... but I am thinking that these are mostly via Subic Bay.

But 6 weekly flights is still a big deal. Plus since there isn't any weekend delivery it is a lot.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

Desertjets,

Brad, I hate to burst your bubble but........Having been with Fedex for 13 years I can assure you that we were the first and only US parcel carrier serving mainland China until this year. We purchased those rights from Evergreen some years ago.

UPS Pilot, it is easy to post large growth rates when you are starting from 0. I dont really see what our purchase from Evergreen has to do with the number of flights. Fact is we have nearly twice as many as UPS which was the original point of this post. Your comments are a perfect illustration of the "fluff but no substance" remark I made in my earlier reply. Set aside the corporate brainwashing for a second and take a reality check. I do admire your loyalty and in fact we could use a few more folks like you ourselves. Your company is a worthy competitor and I both respect and admire the organization as such.

As an aside, given our currently declining relations with China neither of us may have much to argue about on this point a few years down the road. So how about we each enjoy our success there while it lasts.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Desertjets,

Sorry about my comments. I was typing my reply while your retraction was posting. I didnt see it until too late. I hope no offense was taken.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 997 times:

Flaps,

none taken.

-B



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 997 times:

Flaps,

Thanks for the kind gestures. I admire and respect Fed Ex as well. It's a good competition. The Deutche Post/DHL is who we should continue to pound away at  Smile.


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