washingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4425 times:
If I recall, United's first 777 flight was IAD-CDG. Were United's first 777s delivered in an international configuration? If so, is this the same product that is currently being replaced with the IPTE upgrades? And when did United have 777s delivered with a domestic configuration?
discoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4188 times:
Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 2): Kind of strange that the first UA flight would originate in the UK.
Did they fly it empty to LHR as a non-revenue flight?
If I remember correctly from that book about the 777 program, they decided a red-eye flight wouldn't work as well with the party atmosphere, so they made the first flight a westbound, daylight crossing.
adambrau From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4158 times:
In terms of the seats on the int'l configured planes, I think Y class has always been the same until the current re-fit from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3. Not sure when E+ started but it might have been after the 777's came on line in which case a row of seats may have removed from the forward Y cabin after the 777's came online, I think this is the case though. Business Class seats were always the same, but there was a stage where some rows were removed to provide more legroom in the rear C cabin. Can't remember if F class always had lie flat seats, I certainly don't remember the light grey F seats with white stripes in the 777 that the 767 and 747's had, but it is 15 years ago now!
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4078 times:
The delivery configuration was --- F12C49Y231
Its interesting to note that initially internally the first dozen planes were planned for 2-class F38Y325 as domestic DC-10-10/B747-100 replacement, and not for international usage. Only with the good success the relative new international flying was it decided to take the first planes in 3-class configurations and use internationally. Also the first plans for 3-class were 12/56/235 but at the last minute a row of business was removed to improve pitch.
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9637 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4066 times:
The original configuration of the 777s had first class with 60 inch pitch recliners, business with 48 inch pitch recliners and the same economy. In 1997~1999 the first class was changed to suites and business received the new generation business with 55 inches of pitch. The original planes were not that great with seats from the earl 1990s when business class on all airlines was between 38 and 50 inches of pitch. The new 777 IPTE configuration is the third generation of seats on the 777s.
The 6 domestic configured 777s were originally delivered in that configuration.
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AA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2841 times:
So all those early 747-100s, L1011s, DC-10s, etc. were all flying domestically? I know airlines didn't buy widebodies in the numbers back then that they do now, and I know that domestic widebody flying was more common before deregulation, but united had many longhaul aircraft. I had no idea they were all used domestically before the 90s. Very interesting...
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25306 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 15): So all those early 747-100s, L1011s, DC-10s, etc. were all flying domestically? I know airlines didn't buy widebodies in the numbers back then that they do now, and I know that domestic widebody flying was more common before deregulation, but united had many longhaul aircraft. I had no idea they were all used domestically before the 90s. Very interesting...
UA had no international routes (apart from SEA-YVR and ORD-YYZ) until 1983 when they were awarded traffic rights SEA/PDX-NRT and SEA-HKG. They used their own 747-100s to NRT and 3 DC-10-30s temporarily leased from CP for HKG as they had nothing in their own fleet then with enough range for SEA-HKG. UA's Pacific network expanded significantly when they purchased Pan Am's Pacific routes in 1986, along with Pan Am's 11 747SPs and 6 of their L-1011-500s. Those were the only L-1011s operated by UA and they were sold after only 2 years UA service.
Very interesting. I guess I had always likened UA to a major US international airline all along like AA, DL, and the former PA, Braniff, etc. Had no idea it was so new to the international - especially transatlantic market. Thanks for the info!