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United's Initial 777 Flights/Configuration  
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4310 times:

If I recall, United's first 777 flight was IAD-CDG. Were United's first 777s delivered in an international configuration? If so, is this the same product that is currently being replaced with the IPTE upgrades? And when did United have 777s delivered with a domestic configuration?

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4313 times:
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First UA flight was from LHR to IAD with a 777 in June of 1995.

User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
First UA flight was from LHR to IAD with a 777 in June of 1995.

Kind of strange that the first UA flight would originate in the UK.

Did they fly it empty to LHR as a non-revenue flight?


User currently offlinediscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 812 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 2):
Kind of strange that the first UA flight would originate in the UK.

Did they fly it empty to LHR as a non-revenue flight?

Yes.

If I remember correctly from that book about the 777 program, they decided a red-eye flight wouldn't work as well with the party atmosphere, so they made the first flight a westbound, daylight crossing.


User currently offlineadambrau From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

In terms of the seats on the int'l configured planes, I think Y class has always been the same until the current re-fit from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3. Not sure when E+ started but it might have been after the 777's came on line in which case a row of seats may have removed from the forward Y cabin after the 777's came online, I think this is the case though. Business Class seats were always the same, but there was a stage where some rows were removed to provide more legroom in the rear C cabin. Can't remember if F class always had lie flat seats, I certainly don't remember the light grey F seats with white stripes in the 777 that the 767 and 747's had, but it is 15 years ago now!

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24317 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

The delivery configuration was --- F12C49Y231

Its interesting to note that initially internally the first dozen planes were planned for 2-class F38Y325 as domestic DC-10-10/B747-100 replacement, and not for international usage. Only with the good success the relative new international flying was it decided to take the first planes in 3-class configurations and use internationally. Also the first plans for 3-class were 12/56/235 but at the last minute a row of business was removed to improve pitch.



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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

I flew one in '96 and the Connoisseur Class (at the time) was the older business class seats with the red and gray stripes down the middle...I think it was 2x3x2...

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

The original configuration of the 777s had first class with 60 inch pitch recliners, business with 48 inch pitch recliners and the same economy. In 1997~1999 the first class was changed to suites and business received the new generation business with 55 inches of pitch. The original planes were not that great with seats from the earl 1990s when business class on all airlines was between 38 and 50 inches of pitch. The new 777 IPTE configuration is the third generation of seats on the 777s.

The 6 domestic configured 777s were originally delivered in that configuration.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3317 times:

When were the first 772ERs delivered?

Quoting adambrau (Reply 4):
In terms of the seats on the int'l configured planes, I think Y class has always been the same until the current re-fit from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3.

Were they delivered with PTVs?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Only with the good success the relative new international flying was it decided to take the first planes in 3-class configurations and use internationally.

What international flying was relatively new?


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 8):
When were the first 772ERs delivered?

United took delivery of their first in 1997.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 8):
Were they delivered with PTVs?

The 777-200s were delivered with PTVs however some of the earlier 200ERs were not because of weight issues...eventually they were retrofitted with the system.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 8):
What international flying was relatively new?

United had only been flying to Europe for 5 years prior to taking delivery of the 777.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
United had only been flying to Europe for 5 years prior to taking delivery of the 777.

So true... UA was an afterthought before PanAm collapsed.... how things have changed from footnote to bankruptcy to largest carrier on earth !!


User currently offlinen809fr From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 181 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3234 times:

I was on Ln 4 back in September, it looked very tired so I'm hoping United will give the plane a much needed upgrade and paint job.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24317 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 8):
What international flying was relatively new?

The entire Atlantic division.

United first flight to Europe did not commence till May 1990.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting n809fr (Reply 11):
I was on Ln 4 back in September, it looked very tired so I'm hoping United will give the plane a much needed upgrade and paint job.

All the UA 777s are getting a new paintjob.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6402 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
Quoting n809fr (Reply 11):
I was on Ln 4 back in September, it looked very tired so I'm hoping United will give the plane a much needed upgrade and paint job.

All the UA 777s are getting a new paintjob.

Most UA 777s (46 out of 52) are also getting new seats and new inflight entertainment system. Six are already completed.

The777Man



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

So all those early 747-100s, L1011s, DC-10s, etc. were all flying domestically? I know airlines didn't buy widebodies in the numbers back then that they do now, and I know that domestic widebody flying was more common before deregulation, but united had many longhaul aircraft. I had no idea they were all used domestically before the 90s. Very interesting...


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24072 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 15):
So all those early 747-100s, L1011s, DC-10s, etc. were all flying domestically? I know airlines didn't buy widebodies in the numbers back then that they do now, and I know that domestic widebody flying was more common before deregulation, but united had many longhaul aircraft. I had no idea they were all used domestically before the 90s. Very interesting...

UA had no international routes (apart from SEA-YVR and ORD-YYZ) until 1983 when they were awarded traffic rights SEA/PDX-NRT and SEA-HKG. They used their own 747-100s to NRT and 3 DC-10-30s temporarily leased from CP for HKG as they had nothing in their own fleet then with enough range for SEA-HKG. UA's Pacific network expanded significantly when they purchased Pan Am's Pacific routes in 1986, along with Pan Am's 11 747SPs and 6 of their L-1011-500s. Those were the only L-1011s operated by UA and they were sold after only 2 years UA service.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):

Very interesting. I guess I had always likened UA to a major US international airline all along like AA, DL, and the former PA, Braniff, etc. Had no idea it was so new to the international - especially transatlantic market. Thanks for the info!



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Wasn't the first 777 flying over the pond named "Working Together". I flew the T7's regulalarly at the start on the LHR-IAD routes and remember what a fantastic aircraft she was...and still is.

User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 552 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
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Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 18):
Wasn't the first 777 flying over the pond named "Working Together".

Yes, N777UA bore the same name as the original Boeing 777 prototype. The titles unfortunately were not reapplied after the repaint to new UA livery.

Hard to believe these airplanes are 15-16 years old now.


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