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Kuwait Airways To Lease A300's From Canada?  
User currently offlinecaptain777 From Kuwait, joined Dec 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Just heard this rumor buzzing around, 5 A300's or 310's to be DRY leased from Canada don't know which company though.

Any one has any insight on this subject ?

Although I find it stupid, they are better of dry leasing 777's

Captain777

edit: nothing on google :s

[Edited 2010-10-09 16:46:05]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4903 times:

Quoting captain777 (Thread starter):
Just heard this rumor buzzing around, 5 A300's or 310's to be DRY leased from Canada don't know which company though.

I don't think there are any A300s in Canada, and the only A310 operator is Air Transat which currently has 13.

Ironically, two of Air Transat's A310s were once leased to KU for a couple of years in the early 1990s, as temporary replacements when much of their fleet was lost in the first Gulf War..


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4896 times:

Maybe they are planning to sell their A300's/A310's to a Canadian lessor and lease them back?


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User currently offlinecaptain777 From Kuwait, joined Dec 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4877 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Ironically, two of Air Transat's A310s were once leased to KU for a couple of years in the early 1990s, as temporary replacements when much of their fleet was lost in the first Gulf War..

Well if thats the case it might be A310's from Air Transat... Since they had an older leasing agreement this will speed the process in terms of DGCA approval....

So How are Air Transat utilizing there 310's ?
Are some grounded most of the time or heavily operated ?
And are there engines GE or P&W ?


I also heard that KU will be responsible for any maintenance.....



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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4864 times:

Quoting captain777 (Reply 3):

During my time at TS, the A310s were heavily used on the Europe summer program. Now with that over with, I could see that TS could be the A300 lessor... if true.. that would be amazing.

We're sure its a dry lease?


User currently offlinecaptain777 From Kuwait, joined Dec 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 4):
We're sure its a dry lease?

Actually nothing is for sure... but the guy who told me that info said he heard it from 3 different sources and they all said its a DRY lease...


Now even when i google Air Transat leasing to Kuwait Airways still nothing

[Edited 2010-10-09 17:14:11]

[Edited 2010-10-09 17:25:28]


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User currently offlinecaptain777 From Kuwait, joined Dec 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4770 times:

Just found a very interesting document on the web although it doesn't have to do with the CURRENT leasing subject we are discussing, but still its interesting to see what a AMCI ( Aircraft Maintenance Crew Insurance ) requirement by KU looks like.


http://www.kuwait-airways.com/data/s...1/pdf/ACMI_LEASE_RFP_DOC_REV.4.pdf

[Edited 2010-10-09 17:46:21]


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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4696 times:

Quoting captain777 (Reply 6):
Just found a very interesting document on the web although it doesn't have to do with the CURRENT leasing subject we are discussing, but still its interesting to see what a AMCI ( Aircraft Maintenance Crew Insurance ) requirement by KU looks like.

Wow that is super interesting, though after having a look at the specs, I would suspect that with TS limitations...the only aircraft suitable would be the A330. I do know that TS already will have 3 A330s based in Indonesia for the Hajj (actually I believe they are already there)... also there are two more A330s that have come from MX and are currently in for paintjob. Could it be an A330???


User currently onlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting captain777 (Reply 3):
And are there engines GE or P&W ?

All GE CF6's

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 7):
the only aircraft suitable would be the A330

Dont know, the TS A310's seat 249, so only one seat off their requirement, though I doubt KU would like to put their pax through that nightmare - they wouldnt change the seating around on a dry lease. Their own 310's have 198 total pax, so very much more roomy. Then again, with the 2 MX A330's coming online, its been rumored the '10's will start leaving, so its possible, plus KU of course do have experience with the type and theirs do have CF6's too.



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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 8):

Good call! I know the 310s are getting old, but they do play a good role in connecting smaller gateways from eastern Canada, but hey if theres a potential for getting rid of them...then why not right?


User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Any reason why KU wants to lease 5 aircrafts?
Are they going to replace there current 5 A300's?? That will be a stupid move.
New routes?? No way.



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User currently offlinecaptain777 From Kuwait, joined Dec 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 7):

But as i said this was from a previous leasing agreement which was given to Nova Air from Italy



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Do they own the aircraft that they operate already.

Could it be that the lease company has sold the aircraft to a new lease company.

In that case the owners could change but the leassor would remain the same.

[Edited 2010-10-11 02:47:30]

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

Rumors...

My guess: Either temporary lease of Air Transat's A310s for Hajj flights or permanent lease of AC's A333s.


User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
Either temporary lease of Air Transat's A310s for Hajj flights

KU never leased aircrafts for Hajj, usually they lease one A/C A330 from an Italian charter for the summer season only and one A320 to cover for domestic regional flights.



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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
My guess: Either temporary lease of Air Transat's A310s for Hajj flights or permanent lease of AC's A333s

I would highly doubt we would give up our A330s. The longhaul fleet is tied up right now so I don't think there is enough slack to let a few go. Plus, with the AVOD system that is just extra maintenance that they may not want to take on (what sort of IFE system does KU have now?).



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User currently offlinecaptain777 From Kuwait, joined Dec 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting RJLover (Reply 15):
what sort of IFE system does KU have now?

On the A300/310 old out of date IFE although they have PTV's on all seats

On the 777/340 the IFE is a bit newer but still not better than most airlines these days

Hardly any IFE on the 320's



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