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Australian Aviation Thread #41  
User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 920 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 21622 times:

Here is a quick summary of Thread 40: (commenced with professionalism by QF175)

Korean and Thai movements to OZ.
ACCC rulings (interim) re NZ/DJ "tie-up".
Seat selection pre check-in QF/VA.
MH PER-BKI.
Kendalls fleet of CRJ200's.
US DOT decision (interim) on proposed alliance DJ/Delta.
Jetconnect Long Haul crew rostering etc.
A300 in QF service.
JAL service cessation NRT-BNE.
BNE airport and transfer options.
QF 767(GE) planned upgrades and proposed disposal of 767(RR).
MEL facilities and future expansion.
DJ computer problems.
IASC Indonesian capacity decisions.
V Australia to AUH.
Facts and rumours re "DJ Group of airlines".
V Australian Y cabin service.
Check in procedures at DJ and QF.

Let discussions in our next thread begin.

[Edited 2010-10-09 22:34:45]


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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 21562 times:

Interesting article in yesterday's SMH about suspended QF cabin crew who helped themselves to some rather expensive Klug (it walked off the aircraft) when their LAX-SYD A380 was weather diverted to NOU last August.

User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 21481 times:

With both the recent AA/BA/IB and the UA/CO 'agreements' do we think we will see any major changes here in the South West Pacific to/from Asia/Europe and to/from USA?


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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 21475 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 1):
With both the recent AA/BA/IB and the UA/CO 'agreements' do we think we will see any major changes here in the South West Pacific to/from Asia/Europe and to/from USA?

Not much from BA/IB/AA as it really only effects TATL flying.

UA probably has the most potential to see some impact. Given CO's ambitious plans with 787 routes ie AKL-HOU I reckon we could also see a ORD-SYD flight with a 787 (presuming it has the range).


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 21434 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 3):
I reckon we could also see a ORD-SYD flight with a 787

That's a possibility I hadn't though of, but I'm not sure it would be of much benefit in the great scheme of things.

However, I think SYD-IAH is a case of when, not if.

The problem with ORD is that it won't make access easier to any city (other than Chicago) than transiting in Houston: going to BOSNYWASH the elapsed time will be just about identical. For example SYD-IAH-EWR is 9996mi while SYD-ORD-EWR is 9951mi.

I also live in the hope that UA will use the 787 to be a little less conservative than they have been previously and de-link MEL and launch BNE and (maybe) PER. Especially with the latter they could be rest assured that neither QF or VA (or DL) have anything to come back at them with. The only potential threat would be an AA 787, but the QF/AA relationship is decidedly one sided and there's no guarantee that AA would come running to the rescue of QF if they think more profitable routes exist.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 2):
AA/BA/IB

I'm not sure that will have much impact down here. I think I'm more likely to grown wings than QF are to ever serve MAD, and IB to SYD is almost as unlikely so for OneWorld I think QF/BA to LHR (and FRA) is all we'll get for a long time yet.



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21112 times:

A possibility might be that AA would think about making DFW a gateway to the South Pacific, as competition to the United gateway at IAH. This is how 787s will be game changers. AA will have 787s, just like Qantas. AA might decide that they would like to be the OneWorld carrier who links ORD and DFW to SYD, rather than leaving it to Qantas. And note that AA is looking at building LAX into a hub - they are just about to start LAX to PVG. AA could get together with QF and operate the world's longest shuttle - SYD-LAX. Look at NYC to LHR with 11 flight operated by the Joint Venture AA/BA. Bit hard for large airlines like DL, VS and UA (old and new version) to compete against that. If QF and AA between them operated 5 times daily between SYD and LAX, even combined UA/AC/NZ and VA/DL would struggle against that.

User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21094 times:

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
I also live in the hope that UA will use the 787 to be a little less conservative than they have been previously and de-link MEL and launch BNE

Just as a technical point: UA used to serve BNE as a 744 SYD tag-on... it was a sector that was very short-lived and often cancelled. One question is just how viable (with DRW/CNS/TSV transit traffic) a BNE-LAX service is... it's about 3x/week with VA and less than daily (and a frequent flyer redemption dumping ground) with QF in off-peak periods.


User currently offlinecwalt From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20985 times:

Jetstar has announced it plans to operate multiple weekly services between Darwin and Manila from early 2011.

It's also increasing domestic capacity to Darwin and boosting frequencies to Bali (Denpasar)


Source: Travel Daily Australia

Jetstar to expand northern Australia hub

Qantas offshoot Jetstar has just announced an increase in international and domestic flight operations from Darwin, including new multiple weekly direct services between Darwin and Manila, to launch early 2011.

JQ will boost its Darwin-Adelaide service from 4 weekly to daily (effective 10 Dec), Darwin-Bali from daily to 11/week (effective 16 Dec), while the Darwin-Sydney and Darwin-Melbourne routes will increase from 10 per week to 11, from 27 Mar 2011.

CEO Bruce Buchanan said the move was in line with Jetstar's pan Asia strategy and "the continued sustainable expansion of Jetstar with a stronger and even better connected route network between Australia and South East Asia."

"The proposed future linking of Darwin and Manila will see Jetstar's fledging Australian operations further connect in with Jetstar brand services from Singapore that operate multi-daily to the Philippines capital via our primary Asian hub at Singapore Changi Airport," Buchanan said.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20978 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 6):
Just as a technical point: UA used to serve BNE as a 744 SYD tag-on... it was a sector that was very short-lived and often cancelled. One question is just how viable (with DRW/CNS/TSV transit traffic) a BNE-LAX service is... it's about 3x/week with VA and less than daily (and a frequent flyer redemption dumping ground) with QF in off-peak periods.

That makes it look as though BNE-LAX, and perhaps BNE to other US cities would be better with 787s - half the size of 744s, and still a lot smaller than the VA 77Ws.

If there is any Business traffic, three times weekly will lose passengers to Qantas. 77Ls might be overkill for this route, but 77Es would help improve the frequency.


User currently offlinepugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 20916 times:

Qantas expands CityFlyer routes

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/getat...32-437f-99a5-06e922671171/pdf.aspx

"Qantas will also expand its
flying to Darwin with the launch
next May of direct CityFlyer
services from Melbourne."

This is great news, hopefully this is the first of many JQ routes that QF are returning to. Funny thing about DRW, is no one was mentioning this as a potential destination QF would return to. I wonder what else it may be then...



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 20878 times:

Quoting pugsley (Reply 9):
Qantas expands CityFlyer routes

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/getat...32-437f-99a5-06e922671171/pdf.aspx

"Qantas will also expand its
flying to Darwin with the launch
next May of direct CityFlyer
services from Melbourne."

This is great news, hopefully this is the first of many JQ routes that QF are returning to. Funny thing about DRW, is no one was mentioning this as a potential destination QF would return to. I wonder what else it may be then...

Looks like a strange move, but they must feel the demand is there for it.. How can 3 weekly flight be classed as Citiflyer though? I thought that was their high frequency, business orientated service.

With this additon, along with an additional 1 weekly JQ flight (up from 10 to 11) on MEL-DRW, there will e 2 daily service by the QF group on the route.

The MEL-DRW route really seems to have rebounded again, with the re-introduction of DJ, TT and now QF onto the route.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20799 times:

Another part of that source referred to in above posts suggests Virgin group had $15 million to $20 million wiped off the bottom line due to their recent computer hassles........Sheesh, a lot of money for 11 days!!. No wonder they intend to pursue "aggressively" recovery of costs.


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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20781 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 6):
One question is just how viable (with DRW/CNS/TSV transit traffic) a BNE-LAX service is... it's about 3x/week with VA and less than daily (and a frequent flyer redemption dumping ground) with QF in off-peak periods

True, BNE-LAX is definitely a seasonal route. But what's interesting is that I'm flying across the Pacific for the first time next July, and booked last week on a frequent flyer award ticket. Outbound I'm having to go BNE-SYD-HNL-LAX and inbound LAX-MEL-BNE because the direct flight had no (reward) availability left. And the MEL flight is on an A380 (another first)

But I agree with alangirvan, the 787 is the aircraft with which to operate this route: by downsizing (which is obviously isn't going to happen) VA could probably increase frequencies to 6 weekly which suddenly looks a lot more threatening to QF. And QF 10 787 weekly would probably be a better allocation of capacity than trying to fill a 747



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20768 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
The MEL-DRW route really seems to have rebounded again, with the re-introduction of DJ, TT and now QF onto the route.

There was a time when it was said that the only freight that domestic carriers picked up in Darwin was pet food. Is that still how it is?


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20732 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 12):
And QF 10 787 weekly would probably be a better allocation of capacity than trying to fill a 747

Or you could do 3x weekly 744 + 4x weekly 787. I suspect something similar to that is what they will do eventually, but it depends a lot on the availability of the 787.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20702 times:

Quoting cwalt (Reply 7):
new multiple weekly direct services between Darwin and Manila, to launch early 2011.

Now this is interesting I must say I didn't see this one coming! DRW seems to be turning into quiet the nice little hub up there. I assume JQ and the airport authorities came to some form of understanding regarding the expansion of DRW to accomodate these flights?

I wonder when we will see JQ announcement regarding their indonesia plans now that the IASC has allocated capacity or are the airlines contesting the decision?


User currently offlineAirbusa322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20689 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
Looks like a strange move, but they must feel the demand is there for it.. How can 3 weekly flight be classed as Citiflyer though? I thought that was their high frequency, business orientated service.

With this additon, along with an additional 1 weekly JQ flight (up from 10 to 11) on MEL-DRW, there will e 2 daily service by the QF group on the route.

The MEL-DRW route really seems to have rebounded again, with the re-introduction of DJ, TT and now QF onto the route.

Strange move indeed, but its all about getting ahead of Tiger. TT's new Managing Director is quite interested in Darwin, and TR is also rumored to be linking Singapore next year. Tiger Management are looking at more overnight aircraft usage, linking Darwin and Adelaide overnight. Connections right through to Singapore and even the new Thai Tiger base mabye?. Going ahead, say in 4 years time, ADL/MEL//BNE/DRW/CNS (Tiger bases) should connect all connect to Asia. Tiger's low cost base in Asia will make them that little bit stronger than JQ.

And Tiger's upcoming involvement with SEAIR (Operating as Tiger for SEAIR) could have put Manila-Darwin on the table, so JQ really getting in early ahead of Tiger and Cebu.

Also AirAsia will now most likely not even venture onto DPS-DRW, even though the flight times were released, they never went on sale.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20627 times:

Quoting cwalt (Reply 7):

This had been rumoured for quiet a while, but am i reading it right, please someone feel free to correct me, but JQ want to send pax SYD/MEL/BNE/CNS/ADL-DRW-SIN-MNL? by the time pax have done that wouldnt it just be cheaper to say, purchase a PR ticket direct to MNL? or even take the QF flight SYD-BNE-MNL?

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):

Citiflyer, although priding itself on freequency, it is also more about the 'on-board' product offering, More catering choice for J Class (3 choices of food, Cheese and Ice-Cream and other amenities) if its going to be like a Perth Citiflyer its going to be more in line with a International Business 'offering' and as MEL-DRW would be classed as a 'long sector' this is more then likely going to happen.

I think that JQ could expand big time thru DRW to South East Asia, im surprised that CGK hasnt been added, and the old KUL flight used to go out with a 80% load factormost of the time althought from SYD, but im sure they could make it work out of DRW, the options are endless really..

And with Strategic (VC) starting TSV-DPS it makes me think that there is money to be made from alot of South-East Asian ports.



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20531 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 17):
Citiflyer, although priding itself on freequency, it is also more about the 'on-board' product offering

About a month ago I flew BNE-CBR on a Dinner flight and they were charging for alcohol. This was the first time I've seen this (or was aware that it was happening).

Every other time I can think of alcohol was definitely free with dinner.

So is this a new innovation/cost cutting?

The flight was on a Sunday, so I don't know if that makes a difference.



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20523 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):

Yes, this is right. Citiflyer on the east coast only operates Monday thru to Friday, and alcohol is free after 1600, BUT, Perth Citiflyer routes are 7 days a week and alcohol is free on 'lunch time' flights onwards.



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User currently offlinecwalt From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20506 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 17):
Quoting cwalt (Reply 7):

This had been rumoured for quiet a while, but am i reading it right, please someone feel free to correct me, but JQ want to send pax SYD/MEL/BNE/CNS/ADL-DRW-SIN-MNL? by the time pax have done that wouldnt it just be cheaper to say, purchase a PR ticket direct to MNL? or even take the QF flight SYD-BNE-MNL?


Jetstar are planning for the Darwin-Manila route to be non-stop, not operating via Singapore.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20502 times:

Quoting cwalt (Reply 20):

Good, because that would be a pain in the behind  
It will be interesting to see what crew get to operate this flight.... no doubt SIN crew.....



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20460 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 19):
Citiflyer on the east coast only operates Monday thru to Friday

Thank's for that! That makes a load more sense now.

Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 16):
Strange move indeed, but its all about getting ahead of Tiger

Surely if the intention was to get ahead of TT, an increase in JQ's presence on the route would be more useful than QF. Surely they're going for different markets?

Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 16):
ADL/MEL//BNE/DRW/CNS

While I agree with all five, what about OOL? Obviously SYD won't happen because it's slot constrained but is NTL to distant from Sydney to be a base? (Obviously they don't fly there [yet] but I was thinking in the future)



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20441 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):

NTL is already a JQ base ....  



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20427 times:

I didn't see this in the previous Oz Aviation thread, Apologies if it was.

http://www.aviationrecord.com/Search...ds-capacity-to-mining-regions.aspx

Qantaslink to expand capacity to mining regions.

I wonder if we will see a jet soon into EMD with the number of services now opperating ?



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25 DJMEL : Heard today at work that new deliviries of Virgin Blue aircraft from November onwards will be in hybrid livery, an all white fuselage and tail with Vi
26 anstar : Cool - looks like it will be more consistant with the other Virgins and their red tails heheh
27 Airbusa322 : I dont know what Strategic are thinking most of the time (neither do their employees too!), but they will probably be off that route in 6 months time
28 IndianicWorld : They are desperate to find utilisation for their planes. Thats the only reason they are trying so many oddball routes, in an attempt to hopefully cre
29 smi0006 : Looking out accross the QF food court here in Mel looks like there is a 744 on gate 10. I would imagine it's heading over to PER, glad to see this is
30 Post contains images pilotdude09 : Hey Guys, Maybe a bit early, but when is it possible to tell what reg is scheduled to run a service(Qantas)? I'm aware this is subject to change due t
31 Post contains links anstar : Sorry for some possibly incorrect info As I posted above Strategic did lose their French AOC Source: http://blog.seattlepi.com/worldairlinenews/archiv
32 Post contains links Auchmithie : VH-OJB operated QF441 SYDMEL and QF452 MELSYD today, Source: http://www.theqantassource.com
33 Post contains images JQflightie : The A330-200 that you mention is VH-EBJ, the new config is ready for jetstar to take it
34 IndianicWorld : Why they using them on MEL-SYD. I thought there was enough capacity on that route.
35 smi0006 : Looks lik are canning BNE, according to airlineroute.net: Philippine Airlines has announced it’ll be canceling service to Brisbane effective 31OCT10
36 Airbusa322 : Whats all this about a 787 coming for QF's 90th birthday..
37 eta unknown : Speaking of Australia-MNL flights, what's up with QF's once weekly SYD-BNE-MNL flight (other operate nonstop SYD-MNL)? A once a week BNE service is ha
38 ditzyboy : If it wasn't so insulting your statement would be funny!
39 eta unknown : There's nothing insulting about it- if a union agreement can state there must be X number of crew on an aircraft then it's a perfectly logical suggest
40 JQflightie : ive heard no such thing.....
41 Post contains links JQflightie : QF want to bring a flying boat home, that has been grounded in Thailand since last year due to engine trouble, in-time for its 90th Anniversary. http:
42 ditzyboy : With reference to the original comment, can you identify any instance anywhere in the world where a union dictates a company must fly a certain route
43 smi0006 : Isn't there a requirment by the long haul union that one flight per week must be operated all the way through to LHR by SYD based long haul crews? Why
44 qf744fan : Was wondering the same thing. We had a QF 744 in PER just prior to the AFL grand final replay. My first thought was regarding capacity, though neithe
45 Post contains images JQflightie : its been replacing the A333 flight alot lately... i hope itss a permanant thing
46 qf744fan : Agreed!!! Is it a daily replacement? I'd also wonder as to the utilisation. I would imagine the ship is available thanks to A380 deliveries, which ma
47 eta unknown : There's also only a once weekly BNE-NOU flight. Now that one maybe is purely for holiday travel as it's a Saturday operated by a 738. But the question
48 thegeek : Perhaps there is enough demand of people who insist on a direct flight BNE-MNL for only 1 day/week. Although I'm not completely sure why you'd origin
49 RyanairGuru : QF codeshare with AirCalin so the route actually goes something like 4 a week. In that case it's a short-haul crew and can be done as a there-and-bac
50 RyanairGuru : Just to clarify: by that I meant cargo etc, not crew conditions
51 Airbusa322 : yeah, 20th November apparently. Believe it when I see it though..
52 JQflightie : If so, then they have kept that one under a very tight wrap.... i dont think they will get it then....
53 BNE : Who know why the have that SYD-BNE tag but I hope it stays there until after May 26.
54 smi0006 : Some intersting changes from BI, I will be interested to see how this impacts their MEL plans: As per 15OCT10 GDS timetable display, Royal Brunei Airl
55 TN486 : I am hearing the same thing from other sources too, re a 787 assisting the QF 90th birthday celebrations, however the sources are not "impeccable". C
56 smi0006 : Looks like BI will commence MEL services in late march next year, 4 weekly 777 service! Source airlineroute.net looking forward to this one for sure!!
57 TruemanQLD :
58 eta unknown : It's also now on the RBA site, so it must be happening this time... proposed schedules still allow for a spare and some leeway if an a/c goes tech...
59 smi0006 : We thought tha about AI... but 20th of November is rapidly approaching and I don't belive that the flights are bookable yet, although Melbourne airpo
60 gardermoen : Quoting smi0006 Schedule looks like the following: BI051 BWN1220 – 2215MEL 777 36 BI053 BWN2200 – 0755+1MEL 777 25 BI052 MEL0140 – 0550BWN 777 4
61 smi0006 : Also be interesting to see how they roster their staff, most contracts stipulate a min 10 hour rostered turn around, looks to me a struggle. 1hr post
62 eta unknown : Educated guess is the 777 AKL/BNE/MEL/PER flights are all scheduled in the same way so you never have all these stations fighting for the same seats
63 IndianicWorld : BI will struggle on this route IMHO. There is already ample capacity into Asia and Europe, so the only way to steal market share is to go in with low
64 Post contains links JQflightie : QF have just announced codeshare agreements with KQ on NBO-BKK-SYD http://www.etravelblackboard.com/art...nya-airways-codeshare-opens-africa
65 JQflightie : and also back in september: FQ announced it would be exiting the BNE-PQQ-BNE route by the end of this year. TL announce extra services to Dili and all
66 pilotdude09 : Was lucky enough to be on EBM on the Per-Syd run today and my first time to experience the new Cityflyer domestic economy..... Really great product, s
67 Post contains images JQflightie : wow, i dont know if im aloud to say this.. haha im crew and i do not find the new J class seat comfortable at all! if im travelling around the countr
68 ditzyboy : A minimum of one LHR flight per day must be operated by an Australian based crew. This was so that the union would agree to a London base and dramati
69 thegeek : Couldn't this flight be crewed by short haul cabin crew?
70 pugsley : I would have to agree. If i was traveling on a QF aircraft with the new J and Y products, i'd actually prefer to be in Y. I know that is a strange co
71 pugsley : It could be, and occasionally may be. About this time last year sydney short haul crew were operating the Manila route for about one/two months. It t
72 Post contains images pilotdude09 : At least you are being honest!! Thats interesting to hear from a crew members perspective, I guess if there are enough complaints and once Virgin sho
73 ditzyboy : It could. Since 2003 anyway. The point I was trying to make was that the flight in question does not exist because there is a Long Haul cabin crew ba
74 ditzyboy : The new domestic Business seat is made by Sicma. I am pretty sure it is an off the shelf model with Qantas having no say in the design. The internati
75 Post contains images JQflightie : All of the new 738's and Domestic A330 will be coming online with the same products, i believe there is already 3 new 738's on the Trans Tasman route
76 RyanairGuru : That suddenly makes so much more sense! thank you. I knew that it used to be quite common for SH crews to do Asia routes, but wasn't sure why that se
77 pugsley : You are correct.
78 tayser : it's been reported MEL had the following stats for September 2010: International: 519,042 +15.7% (y/y) Domestic: 1,888,106 +10.8% (y/y) christ in 2-3
79 RyanairGuru : In #40 there was much discussion about the Melbourne Airport long-term plan, but I remain skeptical... With analysts suggesting that Melbourne will b
80 tayser : Melbourne's population has been growing faster than Sydney for a decade and in the past 2-3 years it has accelerated with the previous estimate seeing
81 Airbusa322 : Tiger will today announce a further two A320's to be based at Melbourne, will arrive early next year. As well as VH-VNP which is due in a couple of we
82 tayser : how many 'buses does JQ have based in MEL/AVV? (roughly).
83 jrfspa320 : Just wondering is there any plans to fit Y+ to the international A330s? As then people can travel LHR/FRA-BNE/PER/ADL in the same class as well as Oz-
84 Airbusa322 : 1 at AVV, and around 12~ at Tulla from memory (stand to be corrected). There are alot of JQ 320's being delivered with no extra capacity, plenty of d
85 EK413 : The QF441 - QF452 was operated by VH-OJB due to major disruptions and cancellations... EK413
86 Post contains links gstepho : According to the ministers statement there will be a increase in flights to and from China over the summer. It also shows a Hainan Airlines flight fro
87 Post contains links boof : Whilst its not exactly the biggest route announcement in history I was surprised to find that QF are going to operate a 2 x weekly return service on B
88 smi0006 : I beleive QF will be operating somer services with 744s, but I don't think the route will be upgraged after the end of the chinese new year travel pe
89 thegeek : Doesn't seem much point in bothering.
90 Quokka : How many passengers like to travel between BNE and HBA during what appears to be the school holiday period?
91 TN486 : When JQ canned BNE-HBA, didnt they push those 3 services over to BNE-LST to make it up to a daily flight? The quoted link also mentions the QF Region
92 brad330 : Hello fellow a-netters, I am flying MEL-WLG-MEL a couple of times in the next few months. I am flying in J and all flights are operated by 734's does
93 miami1 : Watch this space. QF to drop SFO in favour of DFW nonstop from SYD on 747ER.
94 IndianicWorld : Makes sense, as having SFO and LAX is not exactly that strategically important to QF. With AA stronger in LAX, compared to SFO , and DFW providing ac
95 vhqpa : You'll be flying on a Jetconnect aircraft which use the same Millennium Seats found on Domestic Business on the 73H/763 fleets. I'm not quite sure bu
96 TN486 : If this is to happen, would there be enough traffic for JQ to fly to SFO via AKL or HNL? Could an A330 do AKL/SFO non-stop?
97 The Coachman : PIty re the dropping of SFO. Have never been through DFW but is it any better for connections than LAX (AA's massive hub at DFW notwithstanding)?
98 ZuluAlpha : Any sources on this info or when it is going to happen ? I guess it is a pre emptitive with CO and their flight to IAH Indeed a pitty about it, with
99 NZ107 : Yes, it's not much further than AKL-LAX which is currently being flown by an A330. I'd probably guess wait until the 787 comes before this route beco
100 gemuser : Got me doubts! B744ER nominal range (from QF web site) = 12971 km MEL-LAX distance (from G C mapper) = 12748 km SYD - DFW = 13804 km SYD -SAN -DFW (i
101 eta unknown : I doubt DFW right now too. 1. If the route was viable even with a payload hit, QF would already be flying it. WIth the global economy the way it is, n
102 thegeek : Still being sold into September 2011, at 4pw, which is down one weekly frequency from what it was a couple of years ago. I doubt SYD-DFW on a 744ER n
103 alangirvan : I asked the question in another forum about 744s and the distance on SYD-DFW - this was my question: (Sorry for asking, but can someone confirm that 8
104 TN486 : You can expect those who have a more than passing interest in aviation to try out the 787, however most would prefer a sameplane service.
105 alangirvan : It will depend whether UA or AA is offering the better Miles offer at the time of travelling. I wonder if Qantas would have their own Club lounge at
106 thegeek : Only if those are statute miles, old son. Yes, and why pull out of it now, when the 787, which could only help this port is so near?
107 kiwiandrew : It would seem very strange for QFto withdraw SFO service ..... but I am sure that NZ and UA will be extremely happy if they do decide to cut it .
108 alangirvan : If Qantas DID pull out of SFO - would that make SFO a possibility for V Australia? JB would at least have to think about it, even though his first six
109 NZ107 : It'd be interesting to see people who want to try out an A380 vs people who want to try out the 787. The A380 has attracted many people just to fly o
110 thegeek : Pretty sure this is used routinely on LAX flights. I think the intermediate point is NAN for SYD flights.
111 Ben175 : I haven't seen them posted here, so here is the schedule for CX's new 3 x weekly service to PER, to compliment the daily midnight run. CX 137 HKG-PER
112 gemuser : According to a B744ER driver of my acquaintance QF have for many years used a "continuous dispatch" method where the ops computers/people continually
113 gemuser : 2 B744ER on SYD-JNB, 2 B744ER on SYD-EZE and 2 on SYD-DFW sounds reasonable, when MEL-LAX goes A380 daily. That leaves the second daily SYD-LAX and B
114 FlyingSottsman : What ! Is SFO not working for Qantas? Because this will be the 2nd time that they have dropped SFO if this is true. With the A333's are Qantas using
115 thegeek : Can't 1 plane do SYD-EZE?
116 NZ107 : A332, not A333. Routing: SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK-LAX-AKL-SYD. Depends on frequency?
117 FlyingSottsman : Hi A-netters this is my very first question on here its great to be able to share my avaition passion with people from all over the world. I was wound
118 NZ107 : Yes they are, though only 3x weekly and JQ has more frequency than QF on this route. It seems to me as though they'd send JQ daily before changing th
119 Post contains links BNE : Tiger Airways flights between Sydney and Brisbane have gone on sale today, priced from $38.95 for flights 7 February 2011 to 26 March 2011. TT6101 Dep
120 Post contains images FlyingSottsman : Thanks NZ107 I didnt relise they were flying them on to JFK, I knew Qantas flew them on the MEL-AKL-LAX run for a while then put back the 744 on it a
121 Post contains links thegeek : http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/timetable/global/en So, yes, it is still 767. I have read that they have plans to retire 767s from internatio
122 FlyingSottsman : Ok yeah I often wounder if Qantas will pull out of HNL altogether in the future and give it to JetStar, It seemed that the MEL HNL never realy worked
123 FlyingSottsman : yes The Geek I to have heard that, thats why I was asking, I dont know where I saw it, it might have been on here even but I think they were saying t
124 Post contains images FlyingSottsman : I think the 763s are still used on the SYD-BNE-MNL route and SYD-HNL route, not sure they are still on the Tasman route, but most of Qantas's SE Asia
125 brad330 : the 763's are used on the following routes Domestic: DRW-SYD DRW-BNE CNS-SYD CNS-MEL CNS-BNE CBR-MEL PER-BNE PER-SYD PER-MEL ADL-MEL ADL-SYD BNE-SYD
126 9mmpd : You can unfortunately add PER - NRT. That is still a 763 service.
127 sydks : Has anyone flown the SYD-AKL-LAX route with QF since the A330-200 took over? Would be curious to know from any QF crew or pax who have experienced it
128 PA515 : One aircraft can do it. SYD-EZE Mo We Sa 1100/1000 Mo We Sa (13h 00m) EZE-SYD Mo We Sa 1305/1740+1 Tu Th Su (14h 35m) PA515
129 Ben175 : I know many people who say that flight is absolutely unbearable. Alot of the time, you end up with a domestic configured 763 with no IFE, restrictive
130 eta unknown : The 06:15 SYD-AKL is on a 737. Basically, if you want free, you gotta take what's on offer or be flexible with dates. I can't imagine there being any
131 9mmpd : I know. I have a couple of friends who will travel with CX via HKG to NRT to avoid the terrible J Class seats on that flight. I have been trying to c
132 Post contains links TN486 : Yeah, its not a bad site, always provides loads of info (and some laughs). Welcome to the Aussie thread by the way. I refer you to two sites that are
133 Post contains images JQflightie : No, incorrect.. it maybe a domestic looking config in Y but in J it is the 25 seat config, and all tho very old school, its quiet comfortable! and it
134 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN has a new e-ticketing agreement between LAN and its affiliates (LA, LP, XL, 4M) and Jetstar Airways (JQ). Hopefully a code-share follows in the fu
135 Zkpilot : Service is almost exactly the same. The IFE is more reliable than on the 744 also. Pax seem to like it...crew...not so much. It's 30mins+ slower and
136 skyhigh : Yes it may be the only direct route but I imagine that Qantas is loosing a large amount of passengers to SQ, MH, CX and TG, especially any business c
137 Post contains images JQflightie : And i completely agree.. but for convienience .... and just the one flight... no lay-overs... its kinda appealing
138 Airbusa322 : What are people's thoughts on Jetstar pulling out of Avalon? The only service that really does any good is the 6am AVV-SYD, and apparently Tiger are l
139 DJ748 : The SYD-BNE-MNL flights can be taken off the list as the 767 last served the route on Thursday just been, and subsequently SYD-MNL have now transitio
140 thegeek : Isn't it about time this flight became A332? What's holding it up? Shouldn't they have made one of the A332s which they configured for domestic suita
141 IndianicWorld : I do not see JQ retreating from AVV for the time being. JQ is a defensive weapon against TT and DJ, so pulling out totally would admit defeat there.
142 TN486 : Thoughts. My first thought is your statement suggesting "the only service that does any good is the 0600 AVV-SYD". Do you have a source for this? My
143 brad330 : I was flying out of LHR today and saw 2x380's and 2x744's at remote stands. I looked at QF'S website and the aircraft spend up to 17hrs on the ground.
144 thegeek : FWIW, my thinking would be that it would be all too hard. The bilaterals between Aus & UK, and Aus & US may need to be changed, but even if t
145 JQflightie : AVV flights are mostly at 85-90% load factor.... JQ will not pull out of this route. They have a Aircraft based there and a crew base.. its a cheap b
146 IndianicWorld : Totally agree. JQ will fight it out, as they know that TT are less stable than themselves. Fare wars, or route changes may likely be the way that thi
147 JQflightie : Look at the past.. where ever TT go, JQ throw themselves at it with a big force twice the size of TT and then drive them out.. and, also, looking at
148 IndianicWorld : The fact is that TT and DJ a fighting a very savvy competitor. The QF Group knows how to deploy JQ, and where it should pull back and use its resource
149 Post contains images JQflightie : Let the blood bath start, we all know who will come of worse
150 Post contains images TN486 : it would appear the 3 of us agree on this Did JQ ever do MEL - MKY? or MEL - ROK? I would agree with you in some aspects, (e.g MEL - SYD) but JQ were
151 Airbusa322 : JQ has added another Perth flight from Melbourne, early morning in competition with Tiger's morning AVV flight, so they are clearly not interested in
152 alangirvan : JQ seems to be a totally reactive airline - reacting to what TT does, even if sometimes that is pre-emptive strikes - reacting to what they think TT w
153 ditzyboy : JNB is ops by non-ER Kangaroo configured 744s.
154 FlyingSottsman : [quote=TN486,reply=132]Yeah, its not a bad site, always provides loads of info (and some laughs). Welcome to the Aussie thread by the way[/qu Thanks
155 JQflightie : that new PER flight is because of crewing constraints. its a new triangular pattern. so there is now no overnights done in ADL now. week commencing 1
156 Airbusa322 : Spring racing carnival in Melbourne over the next week, not many seats to/from Melbourne over the next week. Buchanan and his excuses..JQ operating a
157 alangirvan : Rockhamton, Mackay, Launceston - all these cities are hard ones to serve on the Qantas Group network. Apparently, there are some business travellers w
158 FlyingSottsman : My Wife's Auntie's husband works at Mel, told me last night BI are comming in March next year to, will be great to see them come in also still no wor
159 FlyingSottsman : Dont Know Gemuser the SYD-EZE is done with a 744ER and looking at my globe right next to me it sure seens a lot longer than SYD-DFW. With that route
160 FlyingSottsman : Yes I think you are right there Ryan, I cant see Qantas serving any other European City apart form LHR and FRA,when they have their Oneworld partners
161 JQflightie : Has anyone seen the new QF tv commercial? what are peoples thoughts? its not on youtube yet!
162 smi0006 : JQFlightie that is spooky!! I was just about to post my views on them! I must confess I do like it apart from the music. I find the music is not 'Aust
163 Post contains links gemuser : In fact SYD-DFW is 1,090 nm further than SYD-EZE, (on a great circle basis), 6366 nm to EZE, 7454 nm to DFW. See: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SYD-EZ
164 RyanairGuru : The Q400 does 1h15 up and 1h00 down, exactly the same block times as TT Absolutely, a decent number of people travel ROK to BNE for the day on busine
165 747m8te : Exactly! on routes that length the difference in flying time on the Q400s and A320s/737s is minimal... Personally I just don't see the benefit a CRJ-
166 Rotation : Without having been a business traveller myself, I guess I can't comment on whether or not they prefer the Q400s - but having lived in Mackay myself a
167 alangirvan : A quick look at Qantas timetables showed Alliance Fokker 100s on some BNE-ROK flights, with times shown as similar to Q400 times. BNE-ROK and MEL-LST
168 sydscott : I doubt it. I was on QF74 yesterday on the 744ER and it has full to the brim. SFO represents a strategically important direct service to a key biomed
169 sunrisevalley : The way I read it is that DFW-SYD is about 8200nm ESAD interpolating from the LAX-MEL value of ~7500nm ESAD. The winds shouldn't be too much differen
170 thegeek : Their plan may have been to have the A380 doing this route by now. If things had worked out the way they expected, that may not have been too bad.
171 Post contains images Allrite : Been away flying JQ to SIN and QF back, then DJ to ROK and QF back! TR's coming soon, but I obviously have some catching up to do with this thread. Ba
172 alangirvan : There is the same comparison in NZ between the Q300s and the ATRs, where the ATRs have much better ankle room at the window seat. That would have a l
173 thegeek : I agree with this. Much rather a "creaky" old 767 than a brand new 738. *cough* 734 *cough*. Seat comfort is probably better on the JQ A320 rather th
174 Allrite : As most people probably already know, the Bombadiers have greater performance, but in my limited experience, the ATR had a jet-like cabin with superi
175 thegeek : This is mostly routes in WA. There a couple of tag ons into QLD via NT though. Which makes a lot of sense to me, as the distances are large in WA and
176 ZuluAlpha : I was very fortunate in August to pose this same question to Lyell Strambi, QF Group Executive for Qantas Opperations. He advised that the 717's are
177 ZuluAlpha : Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think there is a twice a week KGI ADL ? I know Ansett flew it daily, I wonder how QF is going with it
178 pugsley : I'm not a huge fan of the new QF domestic advertising campaign. While its great that it has been aligned to the A380 adds, same music, same soft ligh
179 thegeek : Correct. Sun & Tue afternoons.
180 Post contains images JQflightie : The Q400 can match jet aircraft speeds.. especially on SYD-CBR.. there is usually a Q400 that will leave just after our QF flight, but will get in 5m
181 alangirvan : I mean Haneda. The US airlines are all queuing up to go into Haneda, and Air France and BA will be flying there, as well as into NRT. Singapore AL an
182 JQflightie : I know last year, JQ applied to fly to HND from SIN but was not awarded the slots, instead SQ was allocated the slots, so JQ decided the best way int
183 IndianicWorld : Quite simplely that these slots would not come cheap. Australia/NZ routes from/to Japan are not usually high yield, which makes such a slot ovepriced
184 Post contains images JQflightie : maybe we will see NH fly to Australia/New Zealand from HND
185 mariner : How does that work? I have not heard the US airlines are not buying, or paying for, their slots at HND. mariner
186 IndianicWorld : Thats not what I have heard at all.
187 eta unknown : No way, simply because NH quit Australia because it viewed their NRT slots as too valuable to waste on lower yield Australia flights. Now as HND slot
188 Post contains links mariner : If they were buying them, I'd assume they'd try for better times. My understanding is that it is a government-to-government deal, with four pairs (fo
189 IndianicWorld : That might be the case for the Americans, but look at that catch. That certainly changes things and makes it less than ideal. Other countries have a
190 mariner : Sure, but I'd be interested to see anything that suggests airlines from other countries can actually buy slots at HND. I am told they are tightly reg
191 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Regulated by cash It comes down to dealing, so it untimately comes down to cash. Once things have stablised, it will becoming clearer as to how it al
192 mariner : I'll try again - I'm just asking for some hard evidence of your statement in post #183, that these slots are "not cheap" and may be "overpriced." To
193 xiaotung : Hainan Airlines from Shenzhen to Sydney from Dec 9, 2010 three time a week: HU7913 HGH1700 – 1910SZX2030 – 0850+1SYD 330 135 HU7914 SYD1030 – 17
194 sunrisevalley : Are you meaning that the planned post -2012 upgrades being available post -2009.? There is work to be done to get a 700nm improvement . Time will tel
195 Post contains images Ben175 : Amazing. All we need now is a direct link from China to PER!
196 QF175 : China Southern's new Brisbane-Guangzhou service commences today - B-6135, an A330-200 is operating the inaugural service and will shortly touch down i
197 thegeek : More or less. If the two year delay to the A380 had not occurred then the post 2012 improvements may be available in 2010. Even with lesser improveme
198 IndianicWorld : Tbh, with all the flights now into MEL and SYD, why flights like PER are not looked at instead is rather strange. Its uptapped as a market from China
199 Airbusa322 : Tiger's OTP was 65% last month, is this officially the worst in history?
200 Aussie_ : China Airlines (CI) have announced plans to extend their 3x weekly TPE-BNE onto AKL. Another trans-tasman option!
201 ZuluAlpha : If I was TT management, I would be genuinly curious to get to understand why the poor OTP. With a shut out of check in at @ 45min proir to departure,
202 ptrjms : I dont know if this has been mentioned before but I could not find anything in regards to it, but I have heard that XR are only going to be using thei
203 Airbusa322 : Will JT's 707 visit Melbourne besides BNE/SYD?
204 747m8te : If the capacity is needed for Cloudbreak then its not a waste....by the way, aren't they using the A320 on the MEL service too?
205 TN486 : I spot at Tulla every Sat morning and I continually see the F100 parked to the right of JH, (it arrives MEL Fri night and departs Sun arvo) so, no, I
206 Post contains images JQflightie : Its visiting PER too
207 Post contains links acidradio : It looks like Australian Aviation Thread # 42 has started up to replace this one. I will lock this thread. Please continue at Australian Aviation Thre
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