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DL To Open ATL A330 Pilot Base (Rumor)  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10643 times:

As a preface, there is no official Delta source on this, just the word from the line and training folks. A couple points of interest:

* SEA base would remain open, albeit small. Would exclusively fly the Pacific trips for the A330. SEA-NRT, NRT-BKK, NRT-HNL, KIX-HNL. Would also keep SEA-AMS as well as AMS rotations; AMS-PDX, AMS-MEM, etc.

* ATL base would initially be very small, not much aircraft or crew migration from SEA, MSP, or DTW. Initial trips would be ATL-HNL, ATL-DKR-LAD, ATL-AMS, ATL-LGW.

* Summer 2011 schedule would most likely have further migration of 767-400ER away from ATL into JFK, as A330's are more significantly moved into the ATL route network.

* As a point of fact, A330 crews are progressively being "Theater Qual'd" on South America. Possible introduction of A330 to EZE, GRU for Fall/Winter 2011.




[Edited 2010-10-10 17:13:45]

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User currently onlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7439 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10626 times:
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A330s also suggested for ATL-MAN from May.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10296 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
AMS-PDX, AMS-MEM, etc.

Has DL announced an equpment change on AMS-MEM?



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10284 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Has DL announced an equpment change on AMS-MEM?

I don't know but EWR-AMS goes to A332 this winter (usually a 767) so MEM might fall into that category as well.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10084 times:

Well, if these rumors are true, Concourse E will sure be packed with A330s, making the 767 fleet depart out of Concourses T and A more than usual. The A330 cannot use the gates in Concourses T as far as I know. Concourse F will probably relieve this issue a bit.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
* Summer 2011 schedule would most likely have further migration of 767-400ER away from ATL into JFK, as A330's are more significantly moved into the ATL route network.

Overall the strategy makes sense to use all the planes in the best way possible. Send the A330s that aren't needed for MSP, DTW, or Pacific flights to Atlanta and send the 767s to fly shorter flights from JFK. Not that the 767s are bad from ATL, but rather that they are better from JFK.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9749 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Has DL announced an equpment change on AMS-MEM?

Yes. AMS is going exclusive A330 for the winter.

SEA- 333
PDX - 332
MSP - 333 x2
DTW - 333 x2, 332 x1
ATL - 333
MEM - 332
EWR - 332
JFK - 332
BOS - 333


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9604 times:

I can definitely see this happening. There are a significant amount of A330 departures out of ATL everyday. It only makes sense!

I believe the 330 is also doing Accra out of ATL.



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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1042 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

What about ATL-FCO? I see this flight is still operated by an A330-300.

Also, does ATL-STR stand a chance to be operated by the Airbus? I see the A332 has a much bigger Y-class than the B767, with a similar size of the J-class. I think it might be fitting for the market, at least in summer.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 7):
I believe the 330 is also doing Accra out of ATL.
DL 226 still looks to be operated by the B767, at least as of now.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
A330 crews are progressively being "Theater Qual'd"

What exactly does that mean?

[Edited 2010-10-11 02:21:58]


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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9113 times:

I am hoping for DL 24/25 to become Airbus operated...  


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User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 8):
DL 226 still looks to be operated by the B767, at least as of now.

ATL-ACC was initially served with the A-330, but has gone to the 767-300 for the winter. The 3-weekly service continues to Abuja twice per week, and Monrovia once weekly.

It will be interesting to see if Abuja and Monrovia remain combined with the Accra service in summer 2011. Abuja had been a nonstop service out of JFK until recently.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 7):
I believe the 330 is also doing Accra out of ATL.

A332 was indeed doing it this summer but right now it's a 763, and IIRC it might be a 76T as the winter jetstream pushes it to north of 12 hours.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 8):
What about ATL-FCO? I see this flight is still operated by an A330-300.

Currently is an A333 but this winter is being swapped to a 764.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 8):
Also, does ATL-STR stand a chance to be operated by the Airbus?

You never know. A332 would be a more realistic capacity increase but with only 11 of those in the fleet, it will be interesting to see how they are deployed. Currently they aren't much deployed on routes that require their range or performance, save for PDX-AMS and possibly ATL-LAD. If DL makes a move to switch A332's to routes that more demand their range, it would be unlikely STR would get one as the route can easily be covered by 763 or 764.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 8):
What exactly does that mean?

It's a bit of a foreign concept to PMNW crews but it seems quite popular at PMDL. Basically it just means that before an aircraft type is introduced into a new geographical region, DL trains the crews to the intricacies of the region. ATC, departure and arrival procedures - that sorta thing. Before the A330 began ATL-ACC, those crews also had to undergo Africa Theater Qual.

Right now it seems DL is preemptively training the A330 crews for (what seems inevitable) South American flying.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Yes. AMS is going exclusive A330 for the winter.

SEA- 333
PDX - 332
MSP - 333 x2
DTW - 333 x2, 332 x1
ATL - 333
MEM - 332
EWR - 332
JFK - 332
BOS - 333

Would be so nice if DL happened to add SLC to that list. I know, I know, wishful thinking. But one can dream right?  



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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1042 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):

As usual, thanks for the detailed answer. Always appreciated.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):
it would be unlikely STR would get one as the route can easily be covered by 763 or 764.

True, however it's unlikely Delta will send us a 764 since they have a bigger J-class, but a similar amount Y-class seats compared to the 763 and this market is everything but a premium one. I guess it will stay as it is for the time being, perhaps until the 787 arrives?  



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User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

If it is the case that DL is moving 764s to JFK, then surely any 764 route (I'm thinking of DUB) is a candidate for the A330?

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

It would be nice to fly something else than a B767 to GRU (assuming that's in their plans). Though A330s aren't exactly a novelty for me, unless I get an A333. . . still on my "to fly list".


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):
If DL makes a move to switch A332's to routes that more demand their range, it would be unlikely STR would get one as the route can easily be covered by 763 or 764.

Isn't there a terrain/performance issue at STR?



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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1042 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Isn't there a terrain/performance issue at STR?

Indeed, there is a mix of both, however this applies only to departures from runway 25. Most of the time it's a non-issue because they can use rwy 07 for take-off. If the winds are too strong for that, they can still take off from rwy 25 and make a fuel stop en route. I would be curious to know if the A332 is the "stronger" airplane in comparison with the 767.
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 15):
It would be nice to fly something else than a B767 to GRU

Looks like nobody here wants the 767 anymore! Big grin Fine airplane though... especially the 764 with the new hardware.

[Edited 2010-10-11 12:44:10]


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User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 9):
I am hoping for DL 24/25 to become Airbus operated...

Well, we can dream, right? Maybe we'll also get a DTW-DUS flight again? That's what I really want as ATL is really not a convenient hub to use between Europe and most of the mid-west and west. That 752 wasn't great, but it sure cut a few hours off my travel time - plus I didn't have to leave on the early morning flight to make the connection in ATL.

So for now I go through AMS every time and I certainly don't like it. On a side note - when are we finally going to get a MSP-FRA flight (Delta, are you listening? Or Lufthansa, maybe? I'd be willing to switch airlines for a better connection, you know....)


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Could somebody post a list of all current Delta A330 flights?

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 14):
If it is the case that DL is moving 764s to JFK, then surely any 764 route (I'm thinking of DUB) is a candidate for the A330?

Probably so unless they decide to go smaller on some of them. However, DUB has always done quite well from ATL and even featured 777 service back when they were still being used regularly on European rotations, so I think it's a safe to assume that ATL-DUB will become a 333.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Of course, ATL-LHR will remain a 764ER for years to come, since it demands a true-flat J product. DL hasn't announced any plans to install a true-flat J product on the A330s yet, although that could change eventually.


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 19):
Could somebody post a list of all current Delta A330 flights?

SEA-NRT
SEA-AMS

MSP-HNL
MSP-AMS

DTW-HNL
DTW-AMS

ATL-HNL
ATL-AMS
ATL-LGW
ATL-FCO (for a few more weeks yet)

JFK-AMS
JFK-FCO (for a few more weeks yet)

NRT-HNL
NRT-BKK

KIX-HNL

MEM-AMS

PDX-AMS

EWR-AMS

BOS-AMS

BOM-AMS


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

Do the current ATL A330 flights involve quite a bit of deadheading?


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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 22):

just to add.

SEA-NRT 333
SEA-AMS 333

MSP-HNL 333
MSP-AMS 2x 333

DTW-HNL 333(getting cut)
DTW-AMS 2x 333 2x 332

ATL-HNL 333
ATL-AMS 333
ATL-CDG 333
ATL-LGW 333
ATL-FCO (for a few more weeks yet) 333....going to a 764

JFK-AMS 332
JFK-MXP 332
JFK-FCO (for a few more weeks yet) 333........going to a 763

NRT-HNL 2x 333
NRT-BKK 333

KIX-HNL 333

MEM-AMS 332

PDX-AMS 332

EWR-AMS 332

BOS-AMS 333

BOM-AMS 332



yep.
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 25, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 23):
Do the current ATL A330 flights involve quite a bit of deadheading?

Yes, mostly from the DTW and MSP bases. SEA doesn't see much of the ATL flying, other than AMS rotations. E.g. SEA-AMS-ATL-AMS-SEA


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