SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5563 times:
On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro. LAN Airlines will continue to operate the daily SCL-GRU-GIG-GRU-SCL B763 service.
RodRB From Brazil, joined Feb 2010, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5358 times:
The eastbound flight is excellent for TAM's european international bank (CDG, LHR and FRA), but we still need a morning GIG-SCL to take this traffic back to SCL.
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2079 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5348 times:
I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago, considering they are such large and famous cities... is there really limited demand for such a service?
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5289 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5): I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago, considering they are such large and famous cities... is there really limited demand for such a service?
The flight does exist for decades but it's a one-stop service via GRU. There is actually plenty of demand on the route but LA and JJ just ignore that forcing that lame one-stop service. Since there's no non-stop competition GIG-bound pax have no better option.
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5243 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5): I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago,
Decades ago it did exist!
In the early 80s before there was massive migration of long-haul flights to Sao Paulo, some European carriers like AF and SK used to do Rio-Santiago nonstop, while others did a mix of stops in VCP and EZE.
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 21 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5168 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 2): By the flight number this flight is seasonal...again. I hope I'm wrong this time though.
The flight number doesn't tell us anything. It's just the same number that was used for seasonal service in the past. About your fear that this service will again be just seasonal like the three or four previous years, it's justified, since LAN never considered the seasonal service permanent, hence the fact the flight is always loaded in the GDS in October or November for a January start. It's a pattern hard to ignore. Like always the other one-stop services are kept, which is not understandable, since it takes away passengers from the nonstop flight, so there is no guarantee that the flight will stay, since LAN seems to prefer serving GIG multiple times per day through GRU.
The flight is loaded on the GDS until the end of the calender, so there's hope that it will stay. Perhaps the only reason why it will stay is because LAN is already prepared to slots at GRU for the IATA Summer 2011 season.
Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 48 Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4989 times:
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------
LA 772 SCL 12:55 GIG 18:05 320 0 1234567 04:10 I 1 01 Jan
LA 773 GIG 18:55 SCL 22:35 320 0 1234567 04:40 1 I 01 Jan
Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4898 times:
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter): On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro.
Thanks for sharing but i would love to hear that this is a year-round operation.
Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1): I still think that one daily non-stop is not enough.
It isn't but they need a morning departure. Something like to depart Santiago at 1 AM or 1:30 AM and from Rio around 8 / 8:30 AM to allow Northeast and International connections.
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5): I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago, considering they are such large and famous cities... is there really limited demand for such a service?
It's not a matter of limited demand but airlines on this route do a limited service: both TAM and LAN run Sao Paulo-Santiago only. There's demand for GIG-SCL and POA-SCL year-round service in my view and based on G3 and LA numbers available at JAC (Chile Civil Aviation Dept). G3 runs a EZE-SCL service which allows us to know from where each passenger goes. About LAN, the LA750/751 service keep 50% of the passengers goes to Rio even with one-stop, and in January/February this number goes closer to 60% to Rio and few connections, 40% to Sao Paulo and mostly connections.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4453 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13): Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro.
Thanks for sharing but i would love to hear that this is a year-round operation.
Yes, this is a new year-round service operated by LAN. LAN Chile will operate into GIG 3x daily, (SCL-GRU-GIG 2x daily and SCL-GIG daily).
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4253 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14): Yes, this is a new year-round service operated by LAN
Hope you're right but they use to say that every year... and just remove the flight without any notice. LA schedule to Brazil is changing all times.
SCL-GIG will become year round if and when LA establish long haul thru Rio.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15): Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Yes, this is a new year-round service operated by LAN
Hope you're right but they use to say that every year... and just remove the flight without any notice. LA schedule to Brazil is changing all times.
SCL-GIG will become year round if and when LA establish long haul thru Rio.
LAN will operate SCL-GRU 3x daily, SCL-GRU-GIG daily, and SCL-GIG-SCL daily. LA772/LA773 is already bookable well into next year.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4174 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 16): LAN will operate SCL-GRU 3x daily, SCL-GRU-GIG daily, and SCL-GIG-SCL daily. LA772/LA773 is already bookable well into next year.
This can be changed easily as it was changed in 2009 and this year. I will only believe when LA run SCL-GIG one year without suspension.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4130 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 18): IMHO they should start right away with a 767-300! specially due to cargo capacity, they would fill up the flights without much truble!
LA already operates the B763 into GIG daily. LA750/LA751 operate SCL-GRU-GIG daily with the B763.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4075 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 18): IMHO they should start right away with a 767-300! specially due to cargo capacity, they would fill up the flights without much truble!
Very true, but as i mentioned before, LA sees Rio and Sao Paulo together and is protected as TAM also see the same way. As i keep saying, they could run a SCL-GIG-Europe service with B763 easily, late afternoon SCL-GIG and early morning GIG-SCL
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4040 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20): As i keep saying, they could run a SCL-GIG-Europe service with B763 easily, late afternoon SCL-GIG and early morning GIG-SCL
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3901 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 22): Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
SCL-GIG will become year round if and when LA establish long haul thru Rio.
Any stop on the possible LA SCL-GIG-XXX will undermine the attractive for those passengers out of Santiago and heading to Europe as final destination.
Really? That certainly is not the case with SCL-MAD-FRA and SCL-MAD-CDG.
25 SJOtoLIR: AF CDG-SCL 7x weekly would have advantage over LA SCL-MAD-CDG 3x weekly. However, I understood the point consisting in that the layover at GIG doesn'
26 SCL767: The good news is that AF no longer has the monopoly on the route. After IB, AF is the only other EU carrier operating into SCL. LA will also fly SCL-
27 LipeGIG: And will create demand for GIG-XXX service, specially if it's to MAD with redeye, MXP, LHR to complement JJ service, or any other destination. Yes, i
28 SCL767: MAD has to be non-stop from UIO/GYE, LIM, SCL, etc. LAN Ecuador and LAN Peru still want to increase frequency into MAD.
29 yellowtail: LAN SCL-GIG-DXB would be a great route.
30 LipeGIG: No doubt but i would focus more on GIG-MAD and Brazil-MAD traffic than consider some of these markets to connect in Rio going to MAD. A potential SCL
31 SCL767: IB will continue to increase frequencies over-time into Brazil. LAN should focus on other cities IMO. LA should fly SCL-GIG-BCN, SCL-GIG-FRA, SCL-GIG
32 LipeGIG: I bet MAD will be among them, SCL767 Just using AENA numbers (which i believe are official ones), GIG-MAD got an average of 272 passengers each way,
33 SCL767: IB will split the daily BCN-MAD-GIG service next year operating both BCN-GIG and MAD-GIG daily. LAN needs to add other cities besides MAD via GIG. LA
34 LipeGIG: Do they have planes for that ? I mean, they are looking to begin BCN-MIA, MAD-LAX, BCN-GRU and BCN-GIG ? I rather see IB going 2x daily MAD-GIG as Ri
35 SCL767: IMO, it is appropriate for IB to eventually split the BCN-MAD-GIG service. LAN is already established at FRA and does not need to rely on connections
36 Boeing747_600: My first reaction is "Hasn't this been an established daily route since the 1960s?!"
37 AF086: Everybody thinks this flight existed since forever but, LA (and JJ as well) neglects this market for many many years. I really look forward this serv
38 SCL767: LAN currently serves GIG twice daily via GRU. In the past, LAN Chile operated SCL-GIG-MAD with the B767-200ER. This new service will eliminate the st
39 AF086: How come? The current services via GRU are kept for the time being.
40 SCL767: LAN will launch LA772/LA773 on 01/01/11. LA750 SCL-GRU-GIG LA752 SCL-GRU LA754 SCL-GRU LA758 SCL-GRU LA772 SCL-GIG Seasonal flights will operate betw
41 AF086: I understood that you meant that LA would eliminate the GIG-GRU tag-on altogether, that's why I asked it.
42 SCL767: No, LAN will continue to operate a daily service between SCL and GIG via GRU. LA750/LA751 operates daily with the B763. LAN will also introduce a new
43 SCL767: LAN Perú S.A. will soon launch a new service into Brazil in order to complement LAN's South American Tourist Circuit. On January 16, 2011, LAN Perú
44 AF086: Well played by LP. I still wonder: where are LP and 4M at GIG? And the question remains: why is LAN's presence at GIG so weak?
46 LipeGIG: Seems that one of the routes replaces the other. Lets wait and see. With one stop service ? I wouldn't call it's established. Can't compare FRA non s
47 SCL767: Let's wait and see; ASU should also be loaded as well, but it is not at the moment. Why can't LA/JJ operate that route together profitably? Also, ABS
48 C010T3: That's funny. You seem to ignore the size of Star...
49 VC10er: I know i have seen TAM 777's in Santago. i am certain a.net has a number of shots in the photo bank. Why would TAM ever have used one there?
50 C010T3: I don't understand your concern. TAM operates 4 77W. Two always spend the day in South America, one stays at GRU and the other one flies to SCL. The
51 LipeGIG: TAM announced yesterday plans to make GIG-FRA daily. Just because of this. Further GIG service means more room for Sao Paulo. No need for more servic
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