Jupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 991 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
I am firmly in the belief that they would not have ordered them, forget about the 330's they were thrown in to clinch the deal, no disrespect to the 330's.
SQ are QF's main competition on the routes to Europe and the UK, if SQ had decided to run a 777 for example with 180 business class seats, QF would have matched them, they would have had to just keep the premium passengers. There is no point flying 12000 miles with only discount seats sold to fill your 400 seat aircraft, you will loose money, that is why KL,LH,AF,IW,AZ even SU have all stopped flying to Australia, they were selling mainly cheap seats with little premium traffic, which was on BA/QF or one of the Asian carriers in particular SQ or TG.
QF and SQ and to a lesser extent EK will have everything in the first and business class cabins they possibly can to at least match each other if not out do the other in their 380's. They will have to, to get the premium traffic, otherwise they are going to be selling 500 cheap seats a flight !!! and thats not going to make you any money.
Rest assured if QF were to order the proposed sonic cruiser, SQ will order it simply to match QF, lets face it there is nothing wrong with following your neighbour especially if they are two of the better airlines around and fierce competitors to boot !!!
BTW this can also be said about the 743, QF ordered them simply to match what SQ was flying, lets face it while the 743 had a slightly higher capacity it did not do a lot more than the 742's they were both flying.
ERJ135 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1469 times:
Never Ever let the facts get in the way of a good story eh!
Qantas wanted aircraft for domestic and regional services that were larger capacity than the 767-300, and ultimatly replace the 767-200.
Three aircraft were in contention in a variety of configurations. These were the 767-400, the 777-200 and the A330. Ultimatley the A330 got the order and not because it was heavily discounted, at least not originally. Then there were the 747 classics to replace including the remaining 742's and the 743's and the two SP's. And then a larger aircraft as well to cope with growth. The 744ER was chosen with an order for six. And the A380 was given a LOI on the proviso that the project was launched. At that time Airbus still needed 12 to get their target of 50 orders to launch. Then Airbus offered the carrot to QF by saying if they ordered 12 A380's Airbus would garantee the project would go ahead and would discount the already ordered A330's. Qantas was in fact interested in the 747 stretch models but Boeing was no where near a firm launch and ultimatly Boeing shelved it so QF would have gone with the A380 sooner or later any way.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1447 times:
If Singapore Airlines ordered the Sonic Cruiser, then I think that QF would just to follow them and fly what was "in" at the time.
If you say SQ A380 and QF 744. Everyone would choose the A380 (I'm not starting a war so just take it with a pinch of salt and be quiet). However, QF knew it would lose pax, so it had to buy the A380. Then there's BA. Hmm. I think they'll lose out to SQF (Get it!? SQ QF)
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6435 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1410 times:
90% discount? Do you mean a 200 Million $ (US) aircraft for 20 Million (US)?. Or, do you mean a 10% dicount? (200M to 180M) If AI is giving the airplanes away they must really deperate. Not likely. If it's the engines, that I can understand. As long as there is a power-by-the hour contract.
As for QF ordering the A380 if SQ hadn't? Yes. They have routes that are very high capacity that don't have slots available to handle projected growth over the next 10 years.
I am glad I was around to fly before de-regulation.