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Would QF Have Ordered A380 If SQ Hadn't?  
User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

The topic title says it all really.

Would QF have gone for the stretched B747X (shelved?) and B777 families if SQ hadn't ordered the A380?

Personally, I think they would still have gone for the Big Bus. The A330-200's and A330-300's might have been heavily discounted for QF to enter into the A380 order book.


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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

If i am not wrong, Qantas managed to buy the A330s at a 90% discount on condition they buy about 10 A380s? I am not too sure about this.


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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

I'm sure you aren't sure about that, since actual airplane prices are very confidential.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

That was reported in the papers in Australia i think. Not certain though. I remembered i read it somewhere, but if it is reliable or not, i have no idea at all.


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User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

I am firmly in the belief that they would not have ordered them, forget about the 330's they were thrown in to clinch the deal, no disrespect to the 330's.
SQ are QF's main competition on the routes to Europe and the UK, if SQ had decided to run a 777 for example with 180 business class seats, QF would have matched them, they would have had to just keep the premium passengers. There is no point flying 12000 miles with only discount seats sold to fill your 400 seat aircraft, you will loose money, that is why KL,LH,AF,IW,AZ even SU have all stopped flying to Australia, they were selling mainly cheap seats with little premium traffic, which was on BA/QF or one of the Asian carriers in particular SQ or TG.
QF and SQ and to a lesser extent EK will have everything in the first and business class cabins they possibly can to at least match each other if not out do the other in their 380's. They will have to, to get the premium traffic, otherwise they are going to be selling 500 cheap seats a flight !!! and thats not going to make you any money.
Rest assured if QF were to order the proposed sonic cruiser, SQ will order it simply to match QF, lets face it there is nothing wrong with following your neighbour especially if they are two of the better airlines around and fierce competitors to boot !!!
BTW this can also be said about the 743, QF ordered them simply to match what SQ was flying, lets face it while the 743 had a slightly higher capacity it did not do a lot more than the 742's they were both flying.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

I agree with Jupiter2, but in this case, i wil have expected some QF B777s?


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User currently offlineERJ135 From Aruba, joined Nov 2000, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Never Ever let the facts get in the way of a good story eh!
Qantas wanted aircraft for domestic and regional services that were larger capacity than the 767-300, and ultimatly replace the 767-200.
Three aircraft were in contention in a variety of configurations. These were the 767-400, the 777-200 and the A330. Ultimatley the A330 got the order and not because it was heavily discounted, at least not originally. Then there were the 747 classics to replace including the remaining 742's and the 743's and the two SP's. And then a larger aircraft as well to cope with growth. The 744ER was chosen with an order for six. And the A380 was given a LOI on the proviso that the project was launched. At that time Airbus still needed 12 to get their target of 50 orders to launch. Then Airbus offered the carrot to QF by saying if they ordered 12 A380's Airbus would garantee the project would go ahead and would discount the already ordered A330's. Qantas was in fact interested in the 747 stretch models but Boeing was no where near a firm launch and ultimatly Boeing shelved it so QF would have gone with the A380 sooner or later any way.

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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1875 times:

If Singapore Airlines ordered the Sonic Cruiser, then I think that QF would just to follow them and fly what was "in" at the time.

If you say SQ A380 and QF 744. Everyone would choose the A380 (I'm not starting a war so just take it with a pinch of salt and be quiet). However, QF knew it would lose pax, so it had to buy the A380. Then there's BA. Hmm. I think they'll lose out to SQF (Get it!? SQ QF)

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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5095 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

If SQ didn't ordered the A380 or ordered the 747 Stretch, Qantas would have gone for the 747 Stretch and QF might have gone for the 767/777 instead.

The same thing will happen if one of the two orders the Sonic Cruiser the other one will surely follow and soon more airlines will have to order the Sonic Cruiser as well in order to stay competitive.

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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Little detail about the discounts: the engines were rumoured to be given away for 90% discount. But think about the revenues for the next 15 or 20 years.


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6544 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

90% discount? Do you mean a 200 Million $ (US) aircraft for 20 Million (US)?. Or, do you mean a 10% dicount? (200M to 180M) If AI is giving the airplanes away they must really deperate. Not likely. If it's the engines, that I can understand. As long as there is a power-by-the hour contract.

As for QF ordering the A380 if SQ hadn't? Yes. They have routes that are very high capacity that don't have slots available to handle projected growth over the next 10 years.

Steve  Smile

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User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

I personally don't think QF would have ordered the A380 if other airlines didn't.
Its true that Qantas has the largest order for the A380 in the world isn't it?

Anyway, lets face it, Qantas is the sort of airline that doesn't do anything until everybody already has done it.
eg. PTV's. And yet I am still a Qantas lover


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