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The New United In Boston *RUMOR*  
User currently offlinesnn2003 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15097 times:

So the other day I was going from IAH-DTW and was sitting by a United F/A. At one point it came up in out conversation that United has moved most of there operation center in Boston from terminal C to terminal B. Does anyone know if this is true? And if it is does this signal that the new United may be planning to merge everything into terminal B?

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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4659 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14874 times:

Quoting snn2003 (Thread starter):
that United has moved most of there operation center in Boston from terminal C to terminal B

That statement implies that they already have, which is not true, it might be an option on the table but I wouldnt take an F/A's word when it comes to non-public lease negotiations.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14288 times:

Makes sense to me. Terminal B tenants AA and US have drastically shrunk their BOS ops recently, whilst Terminal C tenant B6 needs all the BOS space it can get.


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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4659 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14090 times:

US needs about 11 gates at a minimum (2 PHL 2 CLT 2 LGA 2 DCA 3 for PHX, PIT and other express) which would leave only 6 gates for UA/CO,

I dont see that as a viable option



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13323 times:

If sure if Massport can make it work, they will. But if CO/UA is in Terminal B and FL/WN is in Terminal E, B6 will have Terminal C all to itself (with their partner 9K). What will they do with all those gates?


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User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13160 times:

My theory is a combined UA/CO will be in Terminal B US side. Massport is dead set on jetBlue ops in Terminal C Piers B & C. Terminal A cannot accommodate B757s and larger at Main terminal. So far UA is still in Terminal C; no ops at all in Terminal B. UA needs widebody and 757 gates. UA regularly subs 767/777s thru BOS. Not sure how they'll pull it off but just a theory.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13128 times:

There have been rumors of the new United moving to Terminal B. BOS will be a tough place for them, as the following is happening:

-Not enough room in Terminal A as it stands - Massport can take back extra gates on the main terminal back from Delta still (option for two more mainline gates); however, none of the gates on the main terminal can take a 757 (let alone the 767s UA often subs in). Delta has full control of the satellite.
-Massport wants United out of Terminal C. Now, the current UA pier seems like the best place to place the carrier - enough room, large enough club in place, can take up to 777s. However, Massport seems to be in love with JetBlue and wants that pier for them (as evidenced by them clearing out the backoffice space behind the B6 counter to make that a sterile checkpoint/corridor area for connections).
-Terminal B (US Side) doesn't have enough room as it is. It does stand a chance to work though if the following happens:
- US Airways gets to use some of the American Eagle parking positions right by B22 for their Express operation.
- That leaves 7 gates in the newer part for US Airways. LaGuardia needs one gate (LGA lands at ~15 past the hour, leaves on the top of the hour), National two (lands at ~50 past, departs top of the hour), Philly two (lands/leaves bottom of the hour), Charlotte one, leaving one gate for Pittsburgh/Phoenix (no real overlap there). That leaves 10 gates in the older part, where US Airways could most certainly keep 1-2 of those, leaving 8-9 gates (including 757/767 gates) for 46 daily flights, which would work. That would make that side a Star Alliance area with Air Canada, United and USAir, and only displace Frontier and Spirit, which could easily be moved into AirTran's gates (who will likely consolidate into Terminal E and take back their former D gates which are connected to E).


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13128 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 4):
B6 will have Terminal C all to itself (with their partner 9K). What will they do with all those gates?

What will Jetblue do? Expand! It's pretty much common knowledge that B6 wants all of C to themselves now anyway.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13055 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 6):
-Not enough room in Terminal A as it stands - Massport can take back extra gates on the main terminal back from Delta still (option for two more mainline gates); however, none of the gates on the main terminal can take a 757 (let alone the 767s UA often subs in). Delta has full control of the satellite.
Quoting jcarv (Reply 5):
UA needs widebody and 757 gates. UA regularly subs 767/777s thru BOS.

When does this happen? I check flightaware pretty often and you never see 767s and 777s subbed into BOS from any of the hubs really



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12995 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 8):
When does this happen? I check flightaware pretty often and you never see 767s and 777s subbed into BOS from any of the hubs really

I have seen 763s (though not often at all), but I've never seen a UAL 777 at Logan...



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User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12995 times:

One example:

Saturday 10/9 UA584 DEN-BOS B777 N768UA
Sunday 10/10 UA897 BOS-IAD B777 N768UA


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 8):
When does this happen? I check flightaware pretty often and you never see 767s and 777s subbed into BOS from any of the hubs really

It's not uncommon during periods of irregular operations, school holidays and at other high-volume times of the year. While this summer United did not fly the 767-300 into BOS on a scheduled basis, it has flown one in during previous summers, most often to SFO.

Just because a station does not receive regularly scheduled widebodies doesn't mean it shouldn't be prepared - most airlines have stations like this - PMDL was equipped to handle 767s at BOS after they drew down domestic widebody flying (before they came back post-merger); UA/AA are set up to handle widebodies at LAS, etc. It's not all stations, but some of the key stations for airlines that have a large volume of flights.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12928 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 11):
While this summer United did not fly the 767-300 into BOS on a scheduled basis, it has flown one in during previous summers, most often to SFO.

IIRC, I think UA was supposed to fly a 763 on BOS-SFO in winter 2007 or 2008 but that got canned back to a 757 before the flights were set. BOS mainly sees a good amount of 757s with UA, so yes it's important for them to be prepared for widebody subs. Who knows, maybe EWR and IAH will get 757s sooner than later from BOS.

UA used to fly many 767s into BOS in pre 9/11 times. SFO, LAX, and LHR were all 767 destinations. 777s were never scheduled to my knowledge though.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12780 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):

IIRC, I think UA was supposed to fly a 763 on BOS-SFO in winter 2007 or 2008 but that got canned back to a 757 before the flights were set. BOS mainly sees a good amount of 757s with UA, so yes it's important for them to be prepared for widebody subs. Who knows, maybe EWR and IAH will get 757s sooner than later from BOS.

There was most certainly a daily 767-300 on BOS-SFO in Summer 2008 - it was the 800a flight to San Francisco. Saw it many times while I was at BOS for early morning flights.

I'd certainly expect 757s on BOS-IAH; EWR-BOS I'm not as sure about, as it seems like frequency is king on that route compared to size; I'd guess that to become more important as JetBlue launches BOS-EWR.

[Edited 2010-10-12 17:04:36]

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12780 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 13):
I'd certainly expect 757s on BOS-IAH; EWR-BOS I'm not as sure about, as it seems like frequency is king on that route compared to size; I'd guess that to become more important as JetBlue launches BOS-EWR.

Why not though? They already do it on IAD-BOS.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12692 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 14):

Why not though? They already do it on IAD-BOS.

Frequency is king on that route - there's no real need for the extra capacity that can be better allocated elsewhere. At the end of the day, Continental is more appealing flying hourly 737s than having some hours with no flights because of 757s being in use.


User currently offlineAirFrance744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12525 times:

Quoting snn2003 (Thread starter):
And if it is does this signal that the new United may be planning to merge everything into terminal B?

I will repeat what I said in the Official New England Aviation Thread #12 Official New England Aviation Thread #12 (by ChrisNH Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 28):

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
They might be able to use that to help make room for UA/CO in C

http://www.patriotledger.com/busines...ring-some-changes-to-Logan-Airport

According to the article, UA/CO are either going to be in A or B, not C. They are leaning towards A.


Nothing has been implemented yet; they have not merged into one terminal yet. If they go into terminal B, then all the domestic star alliance partners will be there, AC, US, UA/CO. International (except AC) would still obviously be at E, LH and LX. If the new UA moves into terminal A, they will have the newer facilities, possibly giving the airline a better image to Bostonians.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 8):
When does this happen? I check flightaware pretty often and you never see 767s and 777s subbed into BOS from any of the hubs really

When I was going BOS-SFO-OGG, at BOS I saw a United 777 at the gate ready to board it was doing a direct flight. BOS-IAD-PEK.

[Edited 2010-10-12 17:46:12]


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12350 times:

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 16):
If the new UA moves into terminal A, they will have the newer facilities, possibly giving the airline a better image to Bostonians.

And again, pray tell, will United fit into Terminal A? Even if Massport takes back A3/A4 (the only mainline gates Massport can legally take back if Delta is underusing them, in addition to one more commuter gate, and that's if Delta can make a point they're not underusing them, which with an average of 73 flights a day out of 14 mainline gates - over 5 departures/day/gate so not vacant by any means) to give ConUnited (so 6 mainline gates), it does not neglect the fact that none of those gates can take a 757 without shutting down an adjoining gate - a big problem given that United has around 10 daily 757s into Boston, and IAH-BOS could easily see additional 757s post-merger. That doesn't even include the aforementioned widebody capability.

All told, ConUnited really needs approximately eight gates for their operation. Terminal A doesn't have that capacity. Terminal B does, especially as both US Airways and American de-emphasize Boston.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12221 times:

The 757 gate situation at BOS could easily be remedied by replacing 757s with 737-900ERs.


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User currently offlineUSXGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12203 times:

767-300s also flew LHR-BOS-ORD when it was around. I was booked BOS-ORD on the 767 and got into C (miss the days of being a PremExec.. boo)... however the LHR flt was running pretty late so I was booked on AA nonstop into MIA, flew on the Airbus A300 (first and only time).

[Edited 2010-10-12 18:28:42]


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10497 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15):

Frequency is king on that route - there's no real need for the extra capacity that can be better allocated elsewhere. At the end of the day, Continental is more appealing flying hourly 737s than having some hours with no flights because of 757s being in use.

Some are actually not 737s but colgan props. Like IAD which is nearly hourly from BOS on UA, I'm pretty sure EWR could support at least 1x 757 in addition to all the 737s (factor in connections as well as business travelers between BOS and NYC.) Remember, quite a few CO 737s might move out to ORD, DEN, IAD, SFO before it's all said and done.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
What will Jetblue do? Expand! It's pretty much common knowledge that B6 wants all of C to themselves now anyway.

Well, it's pretty obvious that that's what they will do. But B6 will have almost as many gates as they do at JFK. Where will they expand to? The only two current cities in their network that would definately work are HOU and ROC. There are a few domestic cities they could add service to, but B6 usually doesn't start service from only one city. It seems like if Massport is going to give them the gates, they should expand as quick as possible, but how they are going to do it is beyond me.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
The 757 gate situation at BOS could easily be remedied by replacing 757s with 737-900ERs.

I'm not so sure they'd be willing to do that though, especially on BOS-SFO - very heavy paid F route (especially since the morning one connects right into the Asia bank); Global Service members have trouble upgrading this route (it's been mentioned as the hardest upgrade in the UA system on FlyerTalk many times). I doubt United is willing to drop to a 737-900ER and give up four premium seats (and 10 seats overall) just to stay in Terminal A at Boston.


User currently offlineUnited75x From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8799 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 6):

Southwest has taken over all of airtran's former D gates and has now done construction and D is back part of E again.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8437 times:

Here's something that's never been mentioned: How about a terminal A/B split? The "IAD and EWR shuttles" from A and everything else from B?

25 Post contains images rl757pvd : I mention it It could work the same way Delta used to do it with the Shuttle when they were in Term C.
26 apodino : Massport hosted a webchat a couple of weeks ago, and Tom Kinton was asked this question and he basically avoided it saying that "A move to Terminal A
27 joepatroniyx : Just a small correction- F9 is NOT handled in Boston by US. We are an F9 station (was YX), both above and below wing all F9 employees. Our old gate C2
28 Post contains links AirFrance744 : That is a nice suggestion, however it may cause some passenger confusion. I do not know if the old Delta Shuttle system in C caused confusion. But, a
29 runway23 : What about just swapping AA and UA ? Would make sense with AA and B6 increasing their cooperation.
30 United75x : Since the past couple of months. The old FL jetbridges have been removed, new ones installed from thyssenkrupp. The gates are still numbered 1a 1b 1c
31 jfklganyc : "What about just swapping AA and UA ? Would make sense with AA and B6 increasing their cooperation." They are interline partners, nothing more. B6 wan
32 dvincent : I have, but not on scheduled service. Was on charter in February 2008. This is in error as it was not a 777, but a 752 on BOS-IAD. The Boston-Dulles
33 airbazar : It's been going on for a while, virtually since the day WN first landed at BOS. The plan was for WN to have 5 gates within 2 years. The last time I w
34 jcarv : This is not an error. The normal equipment is a B757 but they substituted a B777. I seen with my own 2 eyes.
35 TOMMY767 : That makes sense if say the segment needs extra capacity for the continuation flight or the other aircraft wasn't available so they made the 777 do t
36 AirFrance744 : Wow, I can't believe I didn't know this, thank you. BTW: How many gates does FL currently have?[Edited 2010-10-13 17:16:55]
37 Post contains links and images JoePatroni : On August 9, 2010 I flew on UA862 from SFO to BOS and they subbed in a 777 for a 757. It was this airplane as a matter of fact: View Large View Mediu
38 aal0616 : Perhaps a dumb idea from an observer from the other side of B, but what about giving the US Airways "B" to Jet Blue and US Airways going over to "C" w
39 FURUREFA : I highly doubt that US Airways + Air Canada B would accommodate B6's current flights. Even if it did, it would restrict any potential B6 expansion -
40 apodino : I have suggested this in the past, and it has the added advantage of the B9a and b gates being perfect for the Cape Air operation as well. to respond
41 airbazar : Makes perfect sense in the short term but I suspect that B6 has more international flying in their plans and therefore being right next to Terminal E
42 BOStonsox : That sounds good to me, the only question is how much money did B6 put into the improvements of Terminal C, if any? I'm sure they wouldn't be happy a
43 airbazar : I'm not aware of a current plan to build an FIS facility at terminal B. I don't think B6 would be willing to bet their BOS expansion on it wither. Pe
44 BOStonsox : I wasn't aware that Massport had any plans to build an FIS facility there either until apodino mentioned it. The reason I've been told for the one in
45 apodino : About the Terminal B FIS. Before 9-11 AA got approval from Massport to build an extension to terminal B which was to contain an FIS facility. They wer
46 Post contains links and images airbazar : I'm well aware of that but that was 10 years ago and things are very different at BOS today. C'mon you're exagerating It's about 1/3 of a mile. No lo
47 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I remember coming in once on Cape Air from Lebanon New Hampshire, over the Summer, and having to connect with USAirways to CLT. There was no way of g
48 apodino : I disagree with you there, having made that walk hundreds of times. True....but I am thinking FIS capable gates. Right now E only has 11 FIS ready ga
49 airbazar : Yup. The longest walk between 2 terminals at BOS is between E and B (hence why an FIS facility was once planned), second longest is between C and A,
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