junction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4211 times:
It appears this expansion is all mainline aircraft.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4211 times:
LAX-Leon is a few weeks old, having applied and recieved the DOT authority already. The MEX adds have been in the system for a few weeks also.
The CUN stuff is new application today. OST-2010-0255.
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TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6178 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
Interesting how the 735 on LAX to Leon. First indication that the 735s will be moving around the UA system in the near future.
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netjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4089 times:
every U.S-Mexico addition by a U.S carrier is one more nail on the Mexicana coffin
I was surprised to see mainline on LAX-Leon, but if I'm not mistaken Mexicana did fly that route for a while
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2209 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4051 times:
I wonder about the timings. Previously, CO was operating LAX-BJX with a ERJ that would RON at BJX, so it was about 8pm BJX-LAX and a redye return.
BJX is now all ERJ except one trip a week on Mondays, but maybe they will consolidate two ERJs into a single 735 and operate the 735 RT. While I expect daytime a redeye LAX-BJX, daytime would probably be better, it would take aircraft time where a RT from BJX using an RON doesn't.
I understand the CUN trips are Sat only, but this is a departure from the hub only concept that CO has been operating under for quite a while. Maybe a tour operator is involved. And dartboard DL looks to be out of RDU-CUN on their latest timetable and don't serve CUN-SAT/AUS.
netjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3999 times:
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5): I understand the CUN trips are Sat only, but this is a departure from the hub only concept that CO has been operating under for quite a while. Maybe a tour operator is involved
correct, weird to see CO do that.... Of all the legacy carriers, CO always stuck to its hubs, so this is a nice little experiment. Let's see how they do
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2347 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3914 times:
Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 6): Of all the legacy carriers, CO always stuck to its hubs, so this is a nice little experiment.
As did UA mostly...this is a departure for both of them...
GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3891 times:
BJX-ORD could also be in the works. Start of the aircraft rotation, and fill in MX voids.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6178 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3891 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 8): As did UA mostly...this is a departure for both of them...
Before they were in bankruptcy UA was all about point to point routings out of JFK, SEA, BOS, EWR, MIA for instance.
CO had quite a few point to point out of LAX, MSY and GSO in the 1990s. I guess you might consider them "mini hubs" but either way they did it.
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SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3880 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2): LAX-Leon is a few weeks old, having applied and recieved the DOT authority already.
Didn't they apply for multiple routes out of LAX? I seem to remember there being more than just BJX.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 3): Interesting how the 735 on LAX to Leon. First indication that the 735s will be moving around the UA system in the near future.
Well, it could just be doing a loop IAH-BJX-LAX and back...
Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 4): every U.S-Mexico addition by a U.S carrier is one more nail on the Mexicana coffin
Mexicana, if it does restart, would not be able to add any U.S.-Mexico service until Mexico resumes Cat I status. As an airline of a Cat II country, nothing can be added whatsoever. Otherwise, AM would have filled much of the MX void just as it did in the domestic Mexican market...
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5): I understand the CUN trips are Sat only, but this is a departure from the hub only concept that CO has been operating under for quite a while.
Actually CO has deviated from that strategy quite a bit lately (think LGA-AUA, SNA-OGG, HNL-NAN, etc.). They are also no stranger to p2p transborder routes, especially out of LAX. They even used to fly RJs from small Texan border towns like McAllen and Laredo to MEX!
Maybe, but keep in mind that CO is extremely strong in AUS and SAT, and UA isn't unheard of in those markets either. RDU is much more surprising. I would have expected (a return of) LAX-AUS before AUS-CUN, however!
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5): dartboard DL looks to be out of RDU-CUN on their latest timetable and don't serve CUN-SAT/AUS.
DL did get authority to serve AUS/SAT-CUN, having proposed seasonal weekly flights. Given that they seem to still fly MKE-CUN (in spite of aggressive competition up there) I can't see them giving up on those routes just because UA/CO will fly them. As for RDU-CUN, they have already flown it for at least one season. I'm sure it will be back.
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6178 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3848 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11): Actually CO has deviated from that strategy quite a bit lately (think LGA-AUA, SNA-OGG, HNL-NAN, etc.). They are also no stranger to p2p transborder routes, especially out of LAX. They even used to fly RJs from small Texan border towns like McAllen and Laredo to MEX!
I recall back in 2006 COEX had multiple RJs running from LAX to Mexico. I don't think it lasted very long.
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SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3806 times:
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12): I recall back in 2006 COEX had multiple RJs running from LAX to Mexico. I don't think it lasted very long.
Correct, they didn't last long at all. But things are much different now.
1) UA hub at LAX offers a strong brand as well as beyond connectivity to attract people to the flights. CO was a small fish at LAX and had to rely strictly on O&D at both ends of the route. That will no longer be the case.
2) CO got crushed by Mexican carriers on the route. Due to Mexico's Cat II status, incumbents cannot upgrade frequency/capacity to retaliate, and there is no fear of a Mexican LCC starting the route anytime soon. I don't see any other U.S. airline - even DL - trying to go after UA/CO on these routes out of LAX. They have a very unique opportunity to get into the market right now.
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11): Otherwise, AM would have filled much of the MX void just as it did in the domestic Mexican market...
Don't mean to steer the thread away from the original topic, but AM has not really done a good job filling in MX's void in the domestic market. They increased frequencies on many routes they already served and that were also served by MX, which has certainly been very helpful, and they have launched two new routes or so (Tuxtla Gutiérrez and Mexicali I think), but that's pretty much it. Interjet, Volaris and Aeromar are doing a lot -perhaps more than AM- to fill in the void left by MX.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2209 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3700 times:
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12): I recall back in 2006 COEX had multiple RJs running from LAX to Mexico. I don't think it lasted very long.
From 4/11/05 CO Press release
LOS ANGELES, April 11 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) announced it will begin nonstop service June 9 between Los Angeles International Airport and two Mexican destinations -- Durango and Queretaro -- pending government approval.
With the addition of the new routes, Continental will serve five destinations in Mexico from Los Angeles. In December 2004, Continental began flights from Los Angeles to Aguascalientes, Leon-Guanajuato and Morelia, Mexico.
Mexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 2958 posts, RR: 30 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3696 times:
You would think it was but nope. Mexicana coffin is stuck in traffic.
Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 9): BJX-ORD could also be in the works. Start of the aircraft rotation, and fill in MX voids.
If I were UA/CO they need to start first by filling in the destinations that were year round, GDL, MTY, ZCL, and MLM. BJX should be last on the list, this destination was seasonal for MX and sometimes run through a one stop through MTY.
BACCALA From United States of America, joined May 2009, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3535 times:
Do they offer service from CLE on SAT to CUN? Why RDU?
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6178 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3501 times:
Quoting BACCALA (Reply 17): Do they offer service from CLE on SAT to CUN? Why RDU?
According to wikipedia, CO offers year round service from CLE to CUN. Honestly RDU sounds a bit random for CO/UA do to but maybe they are trying to compete with DL on the route.
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ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11): As for RDU-CUN, they have already flown it for at least one season. I'm sure it will be back.
First, let me say.. WHAT? Out of left field? I would have hoped to have RDU-SFO before RDU-CUN but oh well.. they applied but doesn't mean they will actually serve it, but we will see.
Anywho, DL has served RDU-CUN for about 3 (?) years now. It's seasonal service and currently it's out of season, but has had hte longest season this year... I think it ran March - Sept, off Oct - Dec, and returns mid-Dec until further notice...
DL also has the base for the flight, wonder what UA and CO are gonna do. They have some base here but nothing nowhere near DL or US.. interesting to say the less..
GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
Maybe DL will now apply for DEN/IAD/ORD-SJD/other Mexico route to get attention. That would show some game or "balls."
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51 Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2913 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11): Didn't they apply for multiple routes out of LAX? I seem to remember there being more than just BJX.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6178 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
First, let me say.. WHAT? Out of left field? I would have hoped to have RDU-SFO before RDU-CUN but oh well.. they applied but doesn't mean they will actually serve it, but we will see.
How about RDU-DEN? When is that ever coming back???
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