GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 638 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7401 times:
Given the movement on LAX-PVG in the past few days (not much more than that), I would expect some movement on ORD-HKG soon.
Will AA take the plunge (finally)?
Will UA go daily double (with different aircraft, now that CO metal is available)?
Will CX go before AA?
Wild card: BA ORD-HKG-...-LHR-ORD round the world (probaly less than 0.0001% happening, but why not throw it into the mix)?
I can see AA or CX entering the market, but not both. I can also see UA going daily double, but not on 744 aircraft.
hkg212 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7081 times:
About a year ago AA's sales office in Hong Kong got more active, sending regular newsletters to AAdvantage members living in HK and even organizing a "private" screening of Up in the Air for Exec Plat members. The early newsletters used to list al the AA code-share flights out of Hong Kong, with connections in NRT or PVG.
At the time I thought it looked like early groundwork for a launch of ORD-HKG, but maybe it was just my wishful thinking...
CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 878 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6425 times:
Yes ORD is on the cards for CX, I think early next year, probably in line with receiving their next 77Ws, if you put the delivery dates for them here you may be able to see when it's feasible / likely?
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8752 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
Quoting ssides (Reply 11): I'd prefer CX to fly DFW-HKG, but I know that's a pipe dream at this point.
At the risk of going OT and incurring the wrath of the mods .... If SQ can fly SIN-IAH ( admittedly not non-stop) and make it work I don't see why CX couldn't do the same with a flight from one of the worlds great business centres ( HKG ) to the most important hub of one of their allies ( DFW ) . ... although I would definitely expect to see pax services to ORD before DFW .
[Edited 2010-10-13 13:02:25]
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ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4134 times:
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 12): If SQ can fly SIN-IAH ( admittedly not non-stop) and make it work I don't see why CX couldn't do the same with a flight from one of the worlds great business centres ( HKG ) to the most important hub of one of their allies ( DFW )
No, I think DFW-HKG could be feasible, I just don't expect it to occur before ORD-HKG. I guess perhaps if AA/CX view UA as having a stranglehold at ORD, DFW would be a possibility.
Still, comparing the markets at IAH to DFW is really apples and oranges. With the oil & gas industry where it is today, O&D traffic to and from Houston is really commanding a premium in a way that DFW can't match. SQ will no doubt improve its standing at IAH due to strong Star Alliance ties, but one just has to look at QR and EK at IAH to understand how lucrative a market it is for service to the Middle and Far East.
ORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4087 times:
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 5): I seem to remember hearing something earlier in the year about CX starting HKG-ORD, and it was going to depart ORD from Concourse L or something along those lines.
Quoting CCA (Reply 6): Yes ORD is on the cards for CX, I think early next year, probably in line with receiving their next 77Ws, if you put the delivery dates for them here you may be able to see when it's feasible / likely?
I hope you guys are right; I have been wondering for years, with all the ORD-Transpac flights, why CX has not been at ORD sooner, certainly there's room for (better) foreign product vs. UA/AA offerings, just ask JL, NH, KE, and OZ. Hope this happens soon, too.
LAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 8073 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3987 times:
Quoting ssides (Reply 13): Still, comparing the markets at IAH to DFW is really apples and oranges. With the oil & gas industry where it is today, O&D traffic to and from Houston is really commanding a premium in a way that DFW can't match. SQ will no doubt improve its standing at IAH due to strong Star Alliance ties, but one just has to look at QR and EK at IAH to understand how lucrative a market it is for service to the Middle and Far East.
SQ's IAH flight has nothing to do with the Star Alliance and everything to do with oil. Its not the amount of passengers because that isnt all that much higher from Houston vs. Dallas, its the yields they get per passenger which is much greater in Houston to Russia and Singapore. Most of the oil traffic from Houston to Asia is to far Southeast Asia (Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia), not really northern Asia (like Japan, Korea, or China). Not to mention Houston's strongest Asian VFR ties are to Vietnam.
DFW's biggest curse and blessing is that its economy is virutally the opposite of Houston's. DFW has a very diverse of economy. It is a jack of all trades, king of nothing economy. Houston's economy is not diverse, but Houston is the worldwide king of energy and a huge center for medicine and shipping. But that is almost all of their ecnomy.
As a result, Houston can demand the specialized flights to these places that Dallas really cant. But at the end of the day DFW is more stable.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3849 times:
Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter): BA ORD-HKG-...-LHR-ORD round the world (probaly less than 0.0001% happening, but why not throw it into the mix)?
How would BA do ORD-HKG....or why, when they can't board pax in ORD??? If you're talking about the JV with AA, yes it's possible, but it still wouldn't really be a BA flight and if you want to go into that and/or codeshares then you can feasibly travel around the world at the drop of a hat anyhow!
centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3603 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3104 times:
I have been surprised that UA has had such a strangle hold on Midwest-HKG for years. NW pulled their MSP-HKG fairly quickly and is only now, under DL restarting the route.
ORD is still the economic hub of the midwest. Between ORD,MSP and DTW there are about 9 daily flights to NRT, 3 to ICN, 2 to PVG and 1 or 2 to PEK but only 2 to HKG.
HKG is a major trade and financial hub for Asia and the southern port for Chinese exports.
CX and AA need to link up somewhere besides LAX and JFK. That is ORD. I would put my money on CX launching the route well before AA does. If the pilots put up a fuss about DFW-PVG? (7351 mi) then they would put up more fuss about ORD-HKG (7793 mi). (Note: ORD-PVG is 7057)
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2977 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3047 times:
ORD is a very tough market for most foreign carriers. Airlines like SU, LY, SQ and OS have come and gone, sometimes more than once. Others like NH, VS and PK have returned, but who knows how long they will stick it out this time around. SA announced an ORD-DKR-JNB service amid much fanfare, only to cut it before it even began due to such poor advanced bookings. For AF, ORD is one of its weakest North American stations. I could go on and on. Bottom line is that serving ORD-HKG against UA would be an uphill battle for CX, which would probably get stuck using T5 (superior facilities, but a lot less feed from AA, as many savvy connecting pax would prefer the seamless UA transfer). As for AA flying the route on its own metal, I have no doubt it's under consideration. It just may happen that the 777 can be put to even better use on a different route, say, DFW-ICN.
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2958 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8): maybe UA/CO should convert daily 744 to double daily 77E, so they can up the frequency for business travelers while managing capacity
UA used to run 10x weekly on 744's. I'm not sure why the 772's never made it to this route. However, the flights were not really timed to offer travelers more options (only 1 or 2 hours apart if I remember correctly in the AM) vs. the SQ flight HKG to SFO which offered a midnight departure.
CX would be a win for ORD and makes sense. I'd expect sucess just like ANA's NRT flight from ORD.