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Concorde To Get Home On Thames In London.  
User currently offlineimag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

According to the Metro (free morning paper in London), the Concorde at LHR could potentially move to a barge on the Thames, similar to the one in New York.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/843822-c...home-on-thames-in-floating-display

Make a much better display than hiding at LHR. Apparently BA support it. Not sure Sir Branson will like seeing it there....

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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

That makes sense, perhaps by the London Eye. Either way, she is a beauty and should not be tucked away in some hanger at LHR.

I hope it comes to fruittion.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8527 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10259 times:
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This would be G-BOAB then , is she sitting in a BA hanger at the moment?

I like the barge idea though wwould prefer here to be covered up to protect her from the elements, the one in NYC is slowly showing signs of the weather extremes.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

G-BOAB has been in open store since 2005 at least, currently at the West Maintenance Base at Heathrow. Until recently she was virtually hidden in the old engine run up bay.

User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10173 times:

I'm sure it has been discussed before, but where are all the other BA Concorde's placed? I know there's one at Manchester Airport....?

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8527 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10111 times:
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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10048 times:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 2):
though wwould prefer here to be covered up to protect her from the elements

I'd prefer it to be protected from the elements as well. A barge on a river is hardly my idea of "preserved".


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8527 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10020 times:
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Quoting cpd (Reply 6):
A barge on a river is hardly my idea of "preserved".

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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

I still think they should have hung it from the roof in Terminal 5. Maybe do some mummification on it first by removing its guts. Think of it like taxidermy. We should have Concorde stuffed.

[Edited 2010-10-13 03:29:21]

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8527 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9881 times:
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Quoting Glom (Reply 8):
I still think they should have hung it from the roof in Terminal 5. Maybe do some mummification on it first by removing its guts. Think of it like taxidermy. We should have Concorde stuffed.

- Now that would have been something special for sure!



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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9806 times:
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Quoting 8herveg (Reply 4):
where are all the other BA Concorde's placed?

British Concordes as follows:

G-BSST - 002, housed at RNAS Yeovilton

G-AXDN - Imperial War Museum, Duxford, Cambs
G-BBDG - Brooklands Museum, Weybridge, Surrey.

G-BOAA - East Fortune, Edinburgh
G-BOAB - London Heathrow awaiting fate
G-BOAC - Aviation Viewing Park, Manchester Airport
G-BOAD - USS Intrepid, New York, USA
G-BOAE - Grantley Adams International Airport, Barbados
G-BOAF - Filton, Bristol (very recently closed for maintenance with a view to reopening)
G-BOAG - Boeing Museum of Flight, Seattle, USA

Quoting Glom (Reply 8):
Maybe do some mummification on it first by removing its guts. Think of it like taxidermy. We should have Concorde stuffed.

G-BOAB is pretty much empty inside already. Her flight deck instruments were used to refit G-BBDG at Brooklands, and most of the forward section's insides went with it too, seats/interior trim, carpets, toilets, etc. Last I heard, she was used to house old copies of a BA magazine.

Quoting imag (Thread starter):
Concorde at LHR could potentially move to a barge on the Thames, similar to the one in New York.

This is an idea pushed around for a few years now by Club Concorde, and I have just received an email from them saying they are very close to it. I personally believe she should be kept at Heathrow, but at least this way would allow the tourists of London and more people to see and get close to her. The very fact that BA approve of this venture is something other groups with other goals need to be aware of, but I won't get into that. I guess the only issue now is reassembling the inside of G-BOAB to make her into one of the premier Concorde exhibits? Oh, and how to transport her down the Thames... looks like it will mean having her wings cut (as happened with G-BOAA and G-BBDG) for transportation...  



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User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9694 times:

would it still be owned by BA and just loaned or stored on the barge like the other BA Concorde's are loaned to the museums?


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User currently offlineAIH757 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9650 times:

Although i like the idea of this beautiful aircraft being available for more to see, which we cant deny a prime position on the Thames will offer, i cant help but feel that it would look somewhat out of place on a barge.

Take for instance G-BOAD's temporary display at the USS Intrepid, am i the only one who felt this looked out of place and just a little bit wrong?


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User currently offlineimag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

Looking at the pictures in the article, it looks like it will actually be a pier of sorts. I would be great to see it covered, but I don't think that would happen. That would just be too big and obstruct the aquarium building behind. It will make some great views to see it out in the open with the landmarks around South Bank.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

I was on board G-BOAD this weekend and if we manage a similar thing for G-BOAB on the South Bank I think her future would be assured. That is bang on the public face of London so there would good reason to keep her in top condition next to the (BA) London Eye, across from Parliament. She's never going to be on display at Heathrow and looking at F-BVFF at CDG, she's already beginning to look forlorn stuck up in the air like that. At least being massively in the public eye, G-BOAB would be well looked after, and visible to all on finals for 27R / L at Heathrow. Another chance to shoot Concorde on a Thames barge I think  

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9407 times:

A Concorde on a Thames barge is like a fish on dry land - odd. I dont like that idea. Reserve that place for the Ark Royal after decomissioning. The best location for a Concorde would be a prominent place at LHR, on the roof of a terminal, in front of a terminal or beside the main LHR motorway exit, with easy access.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

Quoting imag (Thread starter):
Not sure Sir Branson will like seeing it there....

SRB has no decision making power concerning where the Concordes have to be and what BA should or should not do with them. It will be the same whether he likes it or not.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 2):
wwould prefer here to be covered up to protect her from the elements

AB should definitely be put under cover. Looking at the drawing, the lower deck looks like it might be used as a some sort of exhibition hall.

Still last I heard she was going to stay at Heathrow.

Now the very best of all would be to build a pier and have good old QE2 right nest to Concorde.
They would make such a wonderful pair together. Sheikh Mohammad could bring in some of the financing.  



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User currently offlineimag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8803 times:

for those who haven't found them... articles here:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/843923-c...ke-off-says-f1-s-bernie-ecclestone

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/843822-c...home-on-thames-in-floating-display


User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

Neat idea, but wasn't there talk of bringing back the concorde for the 2012 London Olympics? Or was that the AF concorde?


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User currently offlinemattdell From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8384 times:

I love the Concorde, but I don't think this would look good on the Thames.

Jutting out a Concorde perpendicular to the river would consume 1/3 to maybe even 1/2 of the navigable part of the river. I just don't see London going for something like this. Not in the current proposal, at least.


User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8160 times:

Guys...I know we all have a special place for the Concorde in our hearts and we want to see it in the best possible way we can (while on the ground) but we have to be realistic. G-BOAB at LHR is not doing us anything in regards to her prestige and overall purpose. While I know and can imagine it would look out of place on the Thames, it would also allow a lot of people to view her and learn about one of the most graceful planes to take to our skies. After all, Concorde is probably the only commercial aircraft to have almost the entire fleet preserved. That says a lot right their, and I think anything to get another Concorde out in public display and for more of the world to see and learn about her is a step in the right direction!


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8070 times:

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 18):
Neat idea, but wasn't there talk of bringing back the concorde for the 2012 London Olympics?

That was Save Concorde Group and Mr Ben Lord.   But that's another discussion altogether.


User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7154 times:

Here's a stupid idea - why not give the main structure to a consortium group consisting of;
a. university / educational institution
b. major airframer / manufacturer
c. prominant international airline
d. prominant national museum / trust
...then, use the parts to build a mock-up of Concorde's successor! Concorde II !!
Why does supersonic airline travel have to be over? Because of global warming?? One word : BIOFUEL.
I don't know about you, but I would much prefer to cross the pond in 2 - 3 hours instead of 6-8.
As much as I enjoy clambering all over any of the Concordes, I see all this consignment to museums like a nail in the coffin of commercial supersonic travel, and it doesn't have to be that way.
Don't get me started on the space shuttle.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7107 times:

Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 22):
...then, use the parts to build a mock-up of Concorde's successor! Concorde II !!

Why not give it to the Fire Fighters at LHR for training purposes? That'd have the same effect on the plane of destroying it, would it not?

Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 22):
nail in the coffin of commercial supersonic travel

The coffin has already been nailed shut, that happened in 2003. The coffin is now buried.

There will never, ever be another supersonic airliner ever again. And if someone even thinks about proposing one, I fully expect most countries to ban overflights of any such planes (which makes such planes pointless).

People want to travel very slowly in ultra cramped conditions for no more than $2. Nobody wants to fly in luxury or fast planes, or so the pundits say..  


User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 23):

I disagree my friend. At the end of the day, innovation will always win. I bet in 1700 no one could have even dreamed of the world we have today, and I bet we can't even dream of what the world will look like in 2300. Supersonic travel will come back, the only question is when.



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25 beeweel15 : please have one flyover the stadium at the openiing of the 2012 olympics for one last time. If not its a total shame on European Aviation.
26 Post contains images cpd : At the moment, economics wins every time. As you might have guessed, my message was a parody of the anti-Concorde pro-economics replies we normally s
27 MadameConcorde : We would have to ask Airbus for that to happen with Concorde SD and £Millions for complete RTF restoration of the aircraft, Concorde pilots simulato
28 skipness1E : Let's be clear. G-BOAB has been hidden at Heathrow since 2003. It will never be put on public display at Heathrow as the BAA already have serioous con
29 Post contains images EGTESkyGod : There's been talk of it ever since Save Concorde Group came into existance. Lots and lots of talk (mostly "behind the scenes", but no actual real act
30 babybus : Sticking her on a barge is just the British weak minded way of copying ideas from USA again. There are tons of spaces along the Thames where she could
31 Post contains images rcair1 : As a traveler - I AVOID Heathrow if at all possible - it is a terrible place to spend time (as are most airports - but Heathrow is legendary as bad).
32 tonymctigue : I think it is a much better place to have it and they should consider doing the same in Paris with the Concorde that is on display at CDG. What is th
33 HiJazzey : How about putting it inside Battersea power station and turn the latter into a museum ala Tate modern? Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Not sure of dimensio
34 skipness1E : You're not a London local are you.... There's nothing at Battersea that compares to that iconic spot with Parliament, Heathrow finals, the London Eye
35 rameshksm : I suppose people are quite like water...formless/shapeless and would fill any offered gap or space. Adding the Concorde to this mix would be awesome.
36 oldtimer : As you state you are a traveller, instead of going via the dreaded LHR, fly instead to MAN where you can see a very good concorde under cover and hav
37 SevenHeavy : I've just been told today that 3 concorde are going to be reactivated and returned to service to operate 6 x daily LCY-LGA flights. They will get an a
38 Glom : But Battersea will soon receive the US embassy and maybe a tube line. It's all part of the plan for regeneration. Nothing is better for regeneration
39 skipness1E : Wow. What planet did you hear that on? We're having enough trouble fuding Crossrail and there is absolutely no plan to build a new Tube line, certain
40 EGTESkyGod : Ah I love the sarcasm that a Concorde Return to Flight forum brings... This made my day. Unless of course you were being serious in which case where
41 Post contains links Glom : http://www.battersea-powerstation.co...s/a-sustainable-transport-solution The company redeveloping the area would pay for it.
42 Vasu : I really support the Thames display idea - Where it is proposed it already a beautiful area and I can only see it getting better still!
43 Aesma : I find the idea of such plane displayed on a river kind of strange (be it in London or NYC). I feel it doesn't belong. I quite like the CDG diplay wit
44 BA174 : I would rather not see AB like the one in France. I am not convinced FF is looked after to the same standards as the proper exhibits e.g. G-BOAC or F-
45 vv701 : The huge advantage of displaying Concorde on a purpose-built pier on the Thames alongside the old County Hall is the vistas it will create. The view f
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