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SAS To Re-introduce OSL-EWR And CPH-PVG  
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15207 times:

Just announced through a press release from SAS.

OSL-EWR will be daily from March 27th, while CPH-PVG will be 5x weekly from the winter 2011/2012 schedule

From SAS press release!
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Scandinavian Airlines set on expansion, adds number of long-haul and European routes

SAS will expand its route network with two new long-haul routes. Oslo-New York will commence end-March 2011, whilst Copenhagen-Shanghai will start during winter 2011. In addition, SAS will also launch a number of new European routes, as well as significantly increase frequency across its key short haul routes by 150 new weekly departures.

”Due to significantly reduced costs, a world-class product and improved market conditions, there are now greater prerequisites for a profitable expansion for SAS. We will improve our customer offering with both new routes and extensively adding new frequencies on existing routes,” says Robin Kamark, Chief Commercial Officer, SAS.
“We are adding one Airbus A340 this winter as previously announced and another A340 next winter, which will bring our long-haul fleet to eleven. We are also adding back in traffic three short haul aircraft, previously leased out, during spring 2011,” says Kamark.

The Oslo-New York route will be launched March 27 next year and serviced daily with an Airbus A330-300, offering 34 Business class seats, 35 Economy Extra and 195 Economy seats, whilst Copenhagen-Shanghai will start as five times weekly as of next winter, using an Airbus A340-300, which offers 46 Business class seats 28 Economy Extra and 171 Economy seats.

The additional European frequencies will be continuously introduced during spring 2011. Compared to same period last year, SAS will offer150 more departures a week on key routes.
In addition four new routes will open: Oslo-Munich, Oslo-Palma, Oslo-Split and Stockholm-Venice.
“With record-high load factor, the world’s best punctuality record and the only airline in the world with the environmental certificates ISO14001 and EMAS, SAS is really ahead of the game right now, which is noticeable amongst our customers as we are also scoring the highest customer satisfaction right now,” says Kamark.

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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

That is fantastic news!

Great for OSL with more TATL options. However, Norwegian and Feel Air will not have an easy time starting up their services with aircraft they have yet to acquire.

Great also they are bringing back the 2nd A343 that was put on the ground. Hope CPH-PVG will stay around this time and bring in lots of chinese tourists to CPH/Scandinavia.



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15110 times:

Interesting...lets hope OSL-EWR stays this time.
Interesting to klnow if these routes will be codeshared with United/Continental and Air China respectively.


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2153 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15110 times:

This might deter AA and/or DL from starting OSL.

User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15100 times:

Very nice.
Where should they get this 333 from? my impression was that they were all in traffic already?? I know ARN-ORD goes daily(?) with a 333,perhaps they will upgrade it with a 343?   



It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15069 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 4):
Very nice.
Where should they get this 333 from? my impression was that they were all in traffic already?? I know ARN-ORD goes daily(?) with a 333,perhaps they will upgrade it with a 343?

One of the current A-330 routes will be changed to a A-340 so that this frees up an A-330 for OSL-EWR


User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15032 times:

When will the new SK OSL-EWR-OSL depart/arrive Oslo?

Finally, a wide-body product from Norway to the US again. It will compete with CO twice daily B752 service between OSL-EWR.


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14733 times:

Quoting vadheim (Reply 6):
When will the new SK OSL-EWR-OSL depart/arrive Oslo?

Finally, a wide-body product from Norway to the US again. It will compete with CO twice daily B752 service between OSL-EWR.

Wondering whether CO will adjust their frequency. The two daily flights are leaving within 1,5 hours and don't really provide as flexible departure times as one could wish. I would choose SK any time over a 757 flight



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14717 times:

From 0 daily flights to 3 daily flights in the space of a few years to EWR plus SAS restarting and pulling out of the OSL-EWR market a few times doesn't leave me with much optimism about this route.

Give it a year and SAS will be gone again.



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently onlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14679 times:
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Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 1):
Hope CPH-PVG will stay around this time and bring in lots of chinese tourists to CPH/Scandinavia.

If you ask me HEL is much better suited for those tourists from China. AY already have better reputation in China than SK has. And I think that connecting via HEL the journey time would be shorter than from CPH.



Flying high and low
User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14669 times:

Quoting vadheim (Reply 6):
Finally, a wide-body product from Norway to the US again. It will compete with CO twice daily B752 service between OSL-EWR.

Good to read that, but perhaps a 332 may have been more appropriate.


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14643 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 1):
Hope CPH-PVG will stay around this time and bring in lots of chinese tourists to CPH/Scandinavia.


If I remember correctly (and I'm sure I didn't just imagine it) but wasn't the reason SAS pulled out of Shanghai because they found most of their passengers lived nearer to the old airport of Hongqiao and didn't want to commute between Pudong and the other parts of Shanghai, hence they actually prefered flying into Beijing and taking a domestic connection to Hongqiao?

I could be mistaken, but I'm certain this reason was given. If so, I wonder what has changed so much for SAS??


User currently offlineRichie72 From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14510 times:

Quoting vadheim (Reply 6):
When will the new SK OSL-EWR-OSL depart/arrive Oslo?

SK907 OSL 1110 EWR 1315 // SK908 EWR 19H10 OSL 08H35+1


User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14510 times:

Great news! Maybe CO and SAS will work together? Im sure CO could deploy one of those 752's else where. Will be interesting to see 3 SAS a/c on the ground at the same time and a little OT but LH will have 4 aircraft on the ground EWR , so weird!!

User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14504 times:

SAS
OSL-EWR SK907 11.10-13.15 A333
EWR-OSL SK908 19.10-08.35 A333

Continental
OSL-EWR CO039 11.25-13.50 B752
EWR-OSL CO038 20.00-09.35 B752
OSL-EWR CO139 13.05-15.30 B752
EWR-OSL CO138 22.00-11.35 B752

[Edited 2010-10-13 06:00:29]

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14040 times:

Quoting vadheim (Reply 14):
OSL-EWR SK907 11.10-13.15 A333
EWR-OSL SK908 19.10-08.35 A333

Wondering how the rotation of the fleet will work. With that schedule it looks like the plane used for the outbound flight will not be used on the return flight, but rather back to ARN or CPH.

It will be interesting to see if the outbound flights out of CPH and ARN will be adjusted a bit.



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14001 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 15):
Wondering how the rotation of the fleet will work. With that schedule it looks like the plane used for the outbound flight will not be used on the return flight, but rather back to ARN or CPH.

Most likely yes. The planes will be rotated through the system as there is no A330 maintenance facilities at OSL


User currently offlinerobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13947 times:

Honestly, I don't understand why SK keeps starting routes to compete with fellow *A partners. We saw it a while ago at ARN when they started ARN-PEK (CA) and ARN-BKK (TG) and now they're going to do OSL-EWR (CO)?!

Why not begin a "new" destination instead?



Next flights: ARN-LHR-IAD on BA 319/VS343 EWR-LHR-ARN on VS346/BA319
User currently offlinealexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13698 times:

Bring back SEA. I can dream. Oh well, guess Icelandair is doing just fine out of SEA.


You mad Bro???
User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13452 times:

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 17):


Honestly, I don't understand why SK keeps starting routes to compete with fellow *A partners. We saw it a while ago at ARN when they started ARN-PEK (CA) and ARN-BKK (TG) and now they're going to do OSL-EWR (CO)?!

Why not begin a "new" destination instead?

SK's long haul network is already too weak, so the only real way for it to survive is to offer routes that have feeds at both ends, which naturally means intra-alliance hub-to-hub. Besides, if one end of the route is your home base, it's totally fair game. BA and QF both compete on LHR-SIN/BKK-SYD. (imagine if there's an unwritten rule not to compete with yoru partner, then NYC-LON would be flown by only 3 airlines  )

it's only when you're doing a fifth freedom flight to compete with your alliance partner without JV arrangement, then you're a jerk (bigger jerk if it's their bread and butter flagship route) - e.g. SQ's FRA-JFK, ICN-SFO, HKG-SFO, NRT-LAX.... etc.


User currently offlinebrissedk From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13315 times:

OSL-EWR
Personally I don't get it. CO is so much better suited to take care of this route, and even going double daily. Why oh why will SK try to undermine the business of an alliance partner. Work together, and you will have staying power. OSL-ORD or OSL-IAD would have made so much more sense, and would even give Oslo another longhaul destination.

CPH-PVG
Great news if they actually commit to it this time. Only time will tell.


The best news is, that this is surely a sign of better times ahead for SK.

Regards,
BJ



Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

Quoting brissedk (Reply 20):
OSL-EWR
Personally I don't get it. CO is so much better suited to take care of this route, and even going double daily. Why oh why will SK try to undermine the business of an alliance partner. Work together, and you will have staying power. OSL-ORD or OSL-IAD would have made so much more sense, and would even give Oslo another longhaul destination.

Well SAS served this route before so what makes them not as well suited for it as CO? Plus they are flying a larger aircraft, an A330.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlinenyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13127 times:

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 17):
Honestly, I don't understand why SK keeps starting routes to compete with fellow *A partners. We saw it a while ago at ARN when they started ARN-PEK (CA) and ARN-BKK (TG) and now they're going to do OSL-EWR (CO)?!

With UA and CO now officially merged (legally anyway's not operationally) UA and CO have ATI with SAS so they aren't competiting with each other.



Always wonderers if this "last and final boarding call" is in fact THE last and final boarding call.
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13102 times:

Quoting nyc2theworld (Reply 22):
With UA and CO now officially merged (legally anyway's not operationally) UA and CO have ATI with SAS so they aren't competiting with each other.

SK is not a party to their ATI, it's CO/UA, LH and AC.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13036 times:

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 17):
Honestly, I don't understand why SK keeps starting routes to compete with fellow *A partners. We saw it a while ago at ARN when they started ARN-PEK (CA) and ARN-BKK (TG) and now they're going to do OSL-EWR (CO)?!
Quoting brissedk (Reply 20):
OSL-EWR
Personally I don't get it. CO is so much better suited to take care of this route, and even going double daily. Why oh why will SK try to undermine the business of an alliance partner. Work together, and you will have staying power. OSL-ORD or OSL-IAD would have made so much more sense, and would even give Oslo another longhaul destination.

Exactly. Is there enough demand to sustain 3 daily flights between OSL and EWR? While I am aware that during the summer season there appears to be high tourism traffic to Norway, will it hold during the winter? I guess SK is in a tough spot having multiple hubs systemwide.



next flights: msp-phx-slc, msp-mdw, ord-sju, sju-dfw-ord, msp-dfw, dfw-phl, phl-msp, jfk-icn, icn-hkg-bkk-cdg
25 Someone83 : CO only flies 2x daily in the summer. The rest of the year its 1x daily. And I expect that SAS will go down from daily to 5x weekly during the winter
26 Post contains links degenfly : According to OSL passenger stats, NYC is the most underserved city from OSL with 86,000 "indirect" passengers in 2009. In total, close to half a mill
27 usairways85 : And I suspect that UA/CO will spread out their 2x EWR to something like a 1x ORD and 1x EWR. What equipment does CO use on the 2x EWR?
28 Someone83 : 757-200. Currently, they fly 2x daily, but plans to increase to 2x daily in the busiest summer months. This summer it was 10x weekly
29 brissedk : SK served it with a much smaller aircraft. It is a huge benefit for CO, that they have the 757 for this route. Optimal flexibility. The A333 gives SK
30 brissedk : Very interesting info. Though I'm very disappointed with the numbers for Chicago and Washington. I had expected them to be higher. Regards, BJ
31 HLZCPH : What are the arrival and departure times for the CPH-PVG flights? I'm just wondering how well it fits with Air New Zealands PVG flights. We used LH vi
32 Someone83 : Not announced yet, as the flight is not starting untill fall 2011
33 OyKIE : First of all, congratulations to SAS, and the SAS employees. They have been through one of the hardest tunrarounds in the aviation history. They are n
34 United1 : SK is part of the ATI agreement but not part of the Joint Venture.
35 B747forever : This summer I flew on one of COs 757s over the pond (to ARN) and I didnt have any problems at all with it being operated by a 757. The seats were com
36 TOMMY767 : There is no way in hell I would choose a 757 on a 8-9 hour flight over an A330. Plus I've seen trip reports and SAS has a really solid Y product and
37 brissedk : SK will definitely have the better product. Doesn't change the fact, that the type of aircraft is less flexible than COs 757. For now, both will stay
38 STT757 : Thanks for the clarification. I agree, I've flown EWR-BCN on a CO 757 (prior to AVOD/PTVs) and it was a great flight. My Wife who is somewhat claustr
39 Post contains images kevin777 : Firstly, GREAT news for SAS, I'm always happy when my flag carrier does well. And congrats to Oslo with SAS intercon service again and widebody TATL s
40 SKAirbus : Problem is that SAS have started it up and then dropped it, then started it up, then dropped it. To me that doesn't instil a lot of faith and I hope
41 TOMMY767 : If I'm flying to OSL from EWR on a leisurely basis, I'll be looking to get there in comfort and at the right price. Not sure how cheap the SAS flight
42 Lightbug : Disagree about the product. I have flown both fairly recently, and while I had a choice of two entrees on CO, there was only one on SK (unless you or
43 Lightbug : Most of us? Disagree again. Not just on their international product, but on domestic and intra-European services too. If I continued on from EWR or P
44 TOMMY767 : I'm pretty sure SK offers free booze in Y (most Euro carriers as well as DL do) whereas CO definitely does not.
45 Post contains links Mortyman : * SAS will recommence flights to New York from Oslo on the day, 7 years ago that they pulled out in 2004 * Flight number will be the old flightnumber
46 Lightbug : One free alcoholic drink with your meal flying IC (complicated policy for non-Scandinavians to understand). No such thing on intra-European or domest
47 xiaotung : Interestingly, the current Greater China GM was transferred from Sydney late last year from his previous role as the GM Australia/New Zealand. One of
48 Post contains images HLZCPH : Not sure, must look closer at that one day Only one ANZ flight per week to PEK I think? We struck the first week of the through check baggage service
49 madviking : Once some of these old routes are resurrected, and additional ones considered (OSL-BKK), what are the chances of seeing a 787 8&9 mix of replaceme
50 N62NA : One doesn't need to fly a "Trans-Atlantic" trip on a 757 to make such a judgement that they wouldn't want to be on a 757 between the USA and Europe.
51 Post contains images robbie86 : Let's put in in another perspective then. Why is always SK one step behind?
52 Post contains images OyKIE : I know there are small differences, but being very tall, that extra space is appriciated. And CO OSL-EWR route har a 100% load factor on almost every
53 Navigator : I agree with you completely. And why does not SAS compete with that daily Thai 744 ARN - BKK and that Air China 777 on ARN - PEK? I think SAS is too
54 Lufthansa : This is silly. If there really is that kind of demand then what they need to do is this. Get United to start operated the route with the 744, and have
55 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Hi Brisse This is local traffic only. All transfer pax through these airports are not included in theese numbers. If you travel OSL-EWR-ORD, only the
56 Someone83 : CPH-IAD will become 343 COs 762 offers the same seat capacity as their 752s, the different is that the ratio between business and economy seats, as t
57 brissedk : I do understand the numbers and what they include. I had just expected them to be higher. Eg. for CPH the biggest unserved routes have a demand of 50
58 Post contains images g2scandinavia : The way of reporting underserved routes and services differs from airport to airport. I don’t know about CPH, but many airport also includes transf
59 EBGflyer : I'm surprised their 762's only have 174 seats (25J/149Y) and old style business class seats. It should be possible to make better use of that metal.
60 kevin777 : And of course you shouldn't when buying a ticket.. but if the economics don't work, then you'll lose the route SK's intra European Y product is poor
61 robbie86 : They did have a ARN-BKK service. In my opinion they should focus on starting routes not yet served by them or code-share partners. Why not, for examp
62 Someone83 : On OSL-EWR with am A330, SAS can do one thing CO can't: Bring with them a significant amount of Cargo, something CO can't with their 757s
63 Post contains images kevin777 : If they cold get slots at NRT or HND I'm sure they'd open from ARN tomorrow. Maybe the softened restrictions on HND can help expansion here, but I do
64 Post contains links vadheim : Big SAS advertisement in Norwegian Newspaper VG today (14.10) related to New York. Link: http://www.vg.no/
65 Post contains links STT757 : SK at their peak had four daily flights to EWR, 2 CPH and 1 each to ARN and OSL. Hopefully we might also see the return of their 2nd daily CPH flight.
66 Post contains images kevin777 : Looks great! (although different from the usual SAS look-and-feel, at least what i know from Denmark) NOK 3.495 (EUR 440) is a great bargain in Y IMO
67 Mortyman : Totally agree with you on Rio! Don't understand why it isd'nt up and running a long time ago. when was the last time SAS flew too Rio ?
68 Post contains links brissedk : That is an excellent point. According the this link, nothing in Brazil is even in the top 20. http://www.osl.no/en/osl/businesstob...s/_airlines/50_R
69 Mortyman : Central and South America is'nt mentioned at all.... I fint the list a bit hard to beleave, sorry
70 Post contains images brissedk : No need to apologise. I didn't make the list - OSL did Regards, BJ
71 TOMMY767 : I'm surprised nobody brought this up before. All this talk of "efficiency" with the CO 757s, nobody realized that SAS can make up for weak loads in t
72 Someone83 : What's so hard to believe? The volumes between Norway and South America is relatively small and that's a fact. And except some oil traffic to parts o
73 Mortyman : I find it hard to believe that Rio is not doable
74 Someone83 : Why, the numbers speaks for themselves, so you don't need to believe Yes, there is some oil ties and some other industry, but the volumes are still r
75 Lightbug : Has there been any news or reactions from DY related to SK's plans to re-enter the IC market from OSL? Thanks Lightbug
76 Post contains images kevin777 : Exactly. Numbers speak for themselves. And why are the numbers so hard to believe??? Yes, oil relations between Norway and Brazil, and yes, a few yea
77 g2scandinavia : Hi Kevin 777 I’m sorry to correct you on this one. Traffic between Norway and Brazil have risen exceptionally. A service to Brazil and preferably G
78 EBGflyer : Me too. Wondering also whether their (dare I say) premature announcement regarding long haul startup could backfire. I think DY's image could take a
79 Post contains links and images kevin777 : Sorry, but I still don't understand - again, look at the numbers: http://www.osl.no/en/osl/businesstob...ities GIG isn't in top-20; actaully, no Sout
80 Post contains images KaiGywer : Excellent news. Not as good as DL starting of course, but I know how I will get to OSL next summer On a related topic, who ground handles SK in EWR?
81 g2scandinavia : Well i quote my post from earlier. Do the math yourself whit in average 20 business pax (one way) from OSL to the RIO area EVERY SINGLE DAY! With a 4
82 kevin777 : Congratulations, let's open a nonstop OSL-GIG with a J-fitted CRJ 200. You are just being ridiculuos now, do you seriously believe in what you're say
83 STT757 : Signature Aviation used to handle SK and most other International carriers at EWR.
84 arn777 : I know Norway and OSL have booming traffic to GIG espcially the last couple of years and it will increase even more the comming years but I don't know
85 g2scandinavia : Don't bother, I'm not exactly trigged by the flattering knowledge of the route development at OSL and Peter Poulsens fanclub down south.... Let's sti
86 Post contains images TheAviatorCPH : I really can't see why kevin777 shouldn't be allowed to point out that he thinks that the ongoing discussion about an OSL-GIG route lacks essential t
87 Post contains links Mortyman : Great news ! SAS has already sold 5000 single tickets on the upcomming OSLO - New York route. 2500 roundtrip tickets. This morning they had sold out 1
88 brissedk : Kevin777 is refering to facts provided by OSL. "Being negative" has nothing to do about it. I'm sure if g2scandinavia would provide facts to back up
89 EBGARN : You're making a fool out of yourself, Kevin. Yes, please write that in Danish. g2scandinavia has more facts about current patterns in aviation than m
90 TheAviatorCPH : Who is whining? I've noticed arn777 and you whine that 'the Danes' (collectively referring to Danish a.netters as one homogenous group) don't pat you
91 Mortyman : Please stay on topic Personally I find this far more interesting:
92 Post contains images LN-KGL : I've quoted all three of you since you all seems to be hooked up in old passenger numbers. I say old numbers because 2009 is indeed old in world busi
93 Post contains images kevin777 : Thanks for your support guys; you hit the nail on the head: I have nothing against long-haul from OSL or ARN (although I of course prefer it from CPH
94 Lightbug : Looks like the service to Rio must have ended some time in the late 80s (can't confirm the exact date - sorry!) If you do a photo search for SK and G
95 sas767 : I can see that my Danish friends have been hit by a Norwegian and Swedish thunderstorm of “anger” because they don’t agree with all the manipula
96 Lightbug : Maybe it would be proper to throw in "where the rest of the volume" at CPH comes from since you are pointing out that only 7% of the total comes from
97 Post contains images brissedk : That would actually be very interesting Also, we must remember that ARN and OSL are not the only Swedish and Norwegian airports with connecting traff
98 Post contains images robbie86 : Makes sense. Since SK is way overpriced for a fairly bad product connecting pax might as well do it through HEL, FRA, AMS, LHR or anywhere else
99 LN-KGL : Lightbug, 25% of the passengers at CPH are either in transit or transferring at the airport, and with 7% of these to OSL and ARN, we are left with 18%
100 Post contains links brissedk : And yet CPH transfer traffic from OSL and ARN is up, and has been growing since SK and CPH starting focusing on it. http://www.cph.dk/CPH/DK/PRESSE/N
101 sas767 : Let me precise the figures. The 7% for OSL and ARN includes the entire transfer volume generated by passengers with OSL or ARN as origin or destinati
102 Post contains images LN-KGL : Then the slogan for OSL is much better 'Gateway to Scandinavia' huh BrisseDK Regarding the press release BrisseDK, it doesn't say anything about the s
103 brissedk : Nah, that slogan is just as meaningless. Transfer traffic in CPH has struggled for years - that is why I specifically wrote: I actually find it quite
104 LN-KGL : Nah, don't think it's OSL's task to promote CPH and Copenhagen/Denmark. Today's customers want to spend as little time as possible on traveling and g
105 BrisseDK : It surely isn't OSL's task to promote CPH, and that wasn't even remotely what I was getting at. But whatever... Regards, BJ
106 NorthstarBoy : Why do I think that further down the road, as the UA/CO integration takes shape, that New UA will pull out of Osl with it's own metal, putting their p
107 BrisseDK : I think new UA/CO will stay in OSL and fly alongside with SK. They do it in ARN and CPH, so don't see why they wouldn't do it in OSL. Wether they wil
108 KiwiRob : It might not be the capital but it is far and away the best and most interesting city in Scandinavia.
109 BrisseDK : Might not be? It IS not the Capital of Scandinavia, as such a thing doesn't exist. But it is a wonderful city. Regards, BJ
110 Post contains images kevin777 : I cannot confirm - but right after WWII SAS was the most "adventorous" airline in Europe; far more than the biggest European airlines today. CPH-LAX
111 Mortyman : According to the Norwegian Wikipedia page: "30. november 1946 – Sør-Amerika ruten åpnes til til Rio de Janeiro. Forlenges til Santiago de Chile 3
112 Lightbug : I agree with BrisseDK. If I am not mistaken, CO's OSL - NYC route has been the most profitable of all European routes for this airline, and for sever
113 klwright69 : I agree. CO, now UA, is not going anywhere. They have nurtured this market for years. I didn't see this one coming. SK will have been out of this mar
114 Mortyman : There are over 100 Norwegian businesses in Brazil. Norway is Brasil's largest tradepartner in Scandinavia.
115 GAIsweetGAI : Which begs the question (although I've just been scanning the thread - might've been asked already): How do the numbers look the other way around? Is
116 BrisseDK : Yes, and have been for a couple of years. But respectfully explain to me, why this doesn't show in the numbers from OSL? They are "brand new" from 20
117 Post contains links and images BrisseDK : This has turned out to be a long thread about OSL-EWR (and OSL-anywhere else). Does anyone have any comments on CPH-PVG? I haven't seen much cheers ab
118 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Hi GAIsweetGAI Let me put it this way. The latest initiative for a OSL-Brazil service was not proposed by norwegians or us The yield, traffic pattern
119 Post contains images GAIsweetGAI : The latest initiative was indeed proposed by A.net members. Looks like OSL will soon be overdue for its expansion...
120 Mortyman : There has also been talks of another Asian carrier from Oslo. Could this be a Chinese one ?
121 Post contains images kevin777 : he he yes.. and - as usual - it turned into a more general Scandinavian long-haul thread! But guess that just shows the enthusiasm for this subject..
122 LN-KGL : Nah Mortyman, don't think so after the Nobel Prize
123 robbie86 : I don't believe that it will be sustainable. SK should go for CPH-SFO or CPH-HKG rather than CPH-PVG.
124 BrisseDK : Both SFO and HKG are higher on my list as well. Maybe it is due to operational planning that they've chosen PVG instead? Or they are seeing higher gr
125 LN-KGL : Or it could be politics BrisseDK, the traffic rights to China is limited to a certain number of flights per week from the three Scandinavian countries
126 robbie86 : Let's hope China make a contribution to SK then, 'cause it won't last long :-P
127 ManekS : I think SAS should reintroduce their SIN tag from BKK. Apparently the TG flight they codeshare with is always full in J, with half the cabin connectin
128 Post contains images Doona : Since Scandinavia is not a political enitity of any sort, you're right. However, it's a marketing thing. By that logic, Paris is not the City of Ligh
129 brissedk : Definitely OSL-EWR is an attack on DYs plans. And you might be right about utilising all available flights per week between Scan-China. But I would s
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