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Sun Country Considers Lansing New Gateway  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

New flights come to LAN starting in December. Those flights are mentioned below. Also they are seeking approval for flights from LAN to MSP, and to DCA. This is refreshing news since they have lost a lot of air service in recent times. I sincerely hope Sun Country can make a successful go at it. Here is the writeup in the Lansing State Journal.

Courtesy: Lansing State Journal

Sun Country Considers Lansing New Gateway

"Sun Country will operate seasonal flights, depending on the destination, from Dec. 22 through May 30 from the Lansing airport to Orlando and Ft. Myers, Fla.; Las Vegas; Cancun, Mexico; and Montego Bay, Jamaica."

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...O4SBw0cS1v6yis5paw5D2mSORIafavE%3D

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
Also they are seeking approval for flights from LAN to MSP, and to DCA.

What approval do they need?



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6485 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
What approval do they need?

For the LAN-DCA flights, they need to get slots. They are applying for a slot pair that may be stripped away from F9/RAH(currently used to fly DCA-MCI).

Obviously for LAN-MSP they need no approvals.


User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
What approval do they need?
"Sun Country still needs U.S. Department of Transportation approval to start service to Washington, D.C., using two slots at Reagan National. It wants to fly from Minneapolis and stop in Lansing on the way to Washington."

Sounds like MSP-LAN-DCA / DCA-LAN-MSP. Reminds me of something North Central might have flown.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3201 times:
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Is it possible for SY to fly LAN-SFO, LAX, SEA, JFK, etc in the not-too-distant future?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 3):
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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1080 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

I wonder if there is a deal with a vacation package operation here..like Apple or the like.
Also...correct me if I'm wrong (and I may well be).....but didnt SY do something similar out of MKE years ago???


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

Can Sun Country do good in Lansing considering all the vacation destinations SY is opening from Lansing?


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
Is it possible for SY to fly LAN-SFO, LAX, SEA, JFK, etc in the not-too-distant future?

I would venture to say no. Not until all this new and proposed new service proves itself.
I highly doubt you will see nonstop service to the West Coast from LAN on SY. Those longer flights eat up a lot of aircraft time and unless the demand is truly there which I find hard to believe, then it just won't work.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

I don't have the numbers, but outside of a stopover enroute from MSP, I don't see how there could be any that much demand for LAN-DCA, although Independence Air flew it from IAD. I imagine there is political traffic, but BOS has almost zero demand, so I see that only very few cities would work from LAN.


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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
I would venture to say no. Not until all this new and proposed new service proves itself.
I highly doubt you will see nonstop service to the West Coast from LAN on SY. Those longer flights eat up a lot of aircraft time and unless the demand is truly there which I find hard to believe, then it just won't work.

I agree with you. DTW has a plethora of flights with low fare options so it just won't work. They may be able to serve a nitche flying to places like PUJ, CUN, MBJ, etc. I find it interesting they are practically basing an airplane there without rotations to MSP. I honestly think of all destinations, MSP might work the best as there is no low fare nonstop service from Michigan to MSP. With the help of DCA-MSP passengers LAN-MSP might work....unless DL goes nuclear on them.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Lets see how long this one last, just like all the other gateways they opened up....


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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 11):
Lets see how long this one last, just like all the other gateways they opened up....

Got to agree with you on that. Their research and planning department has really picked some darlings in the past as focus and gateways. They need to see about taking a page out of the Allegiant business plan and go into some underserved areas than need services to the LA Basin, the Phoenix Area, the Florida markets and some tourist areas. Additionally they need to get their ancillary stuff up to a level where they can create some decent revenue.

Their on again off again scheduling into many areas has created a distrust amongst many.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

I think the seasonal, less-than-daily flights to leisure destinations has a decent chance of success out of LAN. There is a market for the leisure crowd to the sun/beach/leisure markets during the winter/spring break season. The month of January will be tough but Feb, Mar, April should be fine. Those routes obviously are not sustainable in the summer months.

MSP-LAN arguably is only going to be flown for aircraft positioning purposes.

I don't know why they would bother to go after a market like LAN-DCA (or other semi-business destinations). Sure they can pull it off in MSP because they have a larger population base and more of a network that will support such service. In LAN though, it is difficult to offer enough frequency to make it viable, but at the same time not fly around empty aircraft. SY doesn't need to be all things to all people.

Even look how NK and FL that stuggled to make business markets work out of DTW.


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