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DL/IAM Voting Questions  
User currently offlineaa777lvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 216 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4987 times:

A-Netters,

Today is the beginning of the voting period at Delta for it's fleet service employees for IAM representation. I am curious how eligibility is determined in terms of who is able to vote. Are ready reserve employees eligible in the voting? Did you need to be employed by a certain date to be eligible to vote?

Any opinions on the "polls" of how it looks like the outcomes will be for the various work groups?

AA777LVR

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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4977 times:

Ready reserves can vote.

There are no official tracking polls so any predictions of the outcome are entirely speculative and based on anecdotal information or, in some cases, pure fantasy.

Stand by for the obligatory Delta union/nonunion food fight......


User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

You had to be hired before the IAM voted. I feel your pain, aa777lvr, I feel your pain...

I too am curious how the various employee groups are pegged to vote. I know, as goldenstate already stated, that it would be purely speculative, but does anyone have any clue how IFS or ACS Above Wing is slated to vote? I know IFS has already begun voting.

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Just to add to it...

Ready Reserves hired before 7/1 of this year are eligible to vote in the fleet service election. I think the cutoff date is the same for above wing, but am not 100% sure.

As for predictions? If I was clairvoyant, I wouldn't be working at DL...



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User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 3):
As for predictions? If I was clairvoyant, I wouldn't be working at DL...

lol

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 3):
I think the cutoff date is the same for above wing, but am not 100% sure.

I believe you are correct.

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 1):
Stand by for the obligatory Delta union/nonunion food fight......



More like throwing poo at one another...but I digress 

Seriously though, this is an interesting time at DL with IFS currently in full voting swing and Fleet Services starting today and above wing ACS in short order. Campaigning has been heavy on both sides. Last week, riding down Camp Creek I saw the IAM out there handing out info at the DL parking lot and a few days later, a bunch of employees with their "NO TO AFA/IAM" signs.

I'm just going to sit back and see how it all turns out.

[Edited 2010-10-14 13:19:01]


What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 1):
Stand by for the obligatory Delta union/nonunion food fight......

Ha!

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
Seriously though, this is an interesting time at DL with IFS currently in full voting swing and Fleet Services starting today and above in in short order.

Don't forget the stock clerks as well... Yep, definitely interesting. As for campaigning hard, I look forward to the day when my inbox and mailbox are now longer flooded with stuff from both sides. Today's piece count: DL 2, IAM 1. Nothing from the NMB, though...



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 1):
Stand by for the obligatory Delta union/nonunion food fight......

Such posts would be considered off-topic, as the user is asking questions about voting eligibility. Such posts will not be tolerated, as they have hijacked far too many threads.

Regardless of which side of the coin you are, please be respectful towards those whose point of view on the possible unionization of a number of Delta employee groups differs from your own. As someone who has experienced a rather contentious union election at AirTran about 11 years ago, I understand that feelings and emotions are running high at the moment and things can get heated. Let's not post anything here that causes people to get banned.


User currently offlinebinmonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

OK so we have to play nice.

Q. How eligibility is determined in terms of who is able to vote.
A. A list of eligible voters were produced by Delta and given to the NMB. The unions were able to review and challenge the list. To be eligible you must have been employed at the time the union filed. Fleet and Customer Service filed 01JUL.
Yes RR can vote.
Stores and Clerks Filed date was 30JUL.

Tech Ops Mech: Union De-certified
Meteorologists: Union De-certified
Sim Techs: Union De-certified

Flight Attendants: Voting under way until 03NOV 2PM

Below Wing ACS and Cargo Warehouse Voting under way until 18NOV 2PM

TechOps Stores: Voting begins OCT 25 until NOV22 2PM

Res, ASC Passeneger Serivce and Cargo Customer Service Voting begins Nov2 until 07DEC 2PM

[Edited 2010-10-14 19:30:52]

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting binmonster (Reply 8):



Thanks for this comprehensive list. It really puts things into perspective. So basically, be year end, DL should have its union issues sorted out and everyone under one work group. You know what. people can talk about this merger all they want but I must say things went pretty well and to have to company finally combined 2 years after the merger was official and a little under a year after SOC.

A tip my hat to all former Northwest employees and pre merger Delta employees. Kudos to all D E L T A (everyone) employees worldwide.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

I personally think that the IAM moved a little too quickly on this, as the dust is yet to settle on the merger. However, I applaud everyone that takes the time to vote, because it is important to be heard. Those that don't vote, are usually the ones complaining in the end. Whatever happens, I hope that all works out for everyone at DL.


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User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 10):
However, I applaud everyone that takes the time to vote, because it is important to be heard.

         Especially for those who cannot.

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlineSkyPriorityDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 1):
Ready reserves can vote.

As long as you were on the payroll before July 1, 2010. That's the only stipulation.

I, for one, cannot wait for this union mess to be resolved. Let's get this over with already!



Keep Climbing...
User currently offlineSkyPriorityDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting Crosscheck007 (Reply 11):
Especially for those who cannot.

I would be one of those employees not eligible to vote. As a Ready Reserve CSA, I truly enjoy working for Delta. It is in my hopes that all employees vote, thinking rationally before casting their vote. There are too many employees who seem to underestimate the power of this vote, simply conforming to vote with the majority of the other CSA's. That shouldn't be the case. Before you cast your vote, think deep down inside as to what YOU really want. At the end of the day, the person you should care about the most is yourself.



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User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Quoting binmonster (Reply 8):
OK so we have to play nice.

Shouldn't be too hard, right? LOL.

Quote:
Q. How eligibility is determined in terms of who is able to vote.
A. A list of eligible voters were produced by Delta and given to the NMB. The unions were able to review and challenge the list. To be eligible you must have been employed at the time the union filed. Fleet and Customer Service filed 01JUL.
Yes RR can vote.
Stores and Clerks Filed date was 30JUL.

Tech Ops Mech: Union De-certified
Meteorologists: Union De-certified
Sim Techs: Union De-certified

Correct. Each list was then broken down further by city, and that "local" list was then verified/crosschecked again by IAM representatives.

Just to round out the list:

Pilots: Stayed ALPA
Tech instructors: Decertified (Were ATSA)
Dispatchers: Maintained representation (went with PAFCA).


Note: If you are eligible to vote and do NOT get a packet from the NMB in the next few days, you will need to contact them directly immediately.

Separately, can someone breakdown the cargo divisions? Which one votes with the ramp, and which one votes with above wing/res? I'm looking for a division number (ie. 806, etc.).

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 10):
I personally think that the IAM moved a little too quickly on this, as the dust is yet to settle on the merger.

Well, it's been 2 years now... When would've been a good time?




Quote:
However, I applaud everyone that takes the time to vote, because it is important to be heard. Those that don't vote, are usually the ones complaining in the end.

YES.

Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 13):
It is in my hopes that all employees vote, thinking rationally before casting their vote. There are too many employees who seem to underestimate the power of this vote, simply conforming to vote with the majority of the other CSA's. That shouldn't be the case.

This is a huge point, as I think many are making this decision based on emotion, and not from a business-like, or rational, perspective.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 3):
Ready Reserves hired before 7/1 of this year are eligible to vote in the fleet service election.

Thanks for that clarification. I was not aware of the cutoff date.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 14):
This is a huge point, as I think many are making this decision based on emotion, and not from a business-like, or rational, perspective.

Agreed. It's important that people sit down, look at the facts, weigh the arguments from both sides, and make a clear headed, rational decision. And of course, actually vote.

Probably the worst thing that could happen here is an outcome where the decision goes one way or the other due to poor turnout, and you end up with a large minority or even majority of people that are unhappy with the decision and have no one to blame but themselves because they didn't vote. That is the recipe for a disengaged, apathetic workforce.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 14):
Pilots: Stayed ALPA

Whether to change unions was a choice with the Pilots?
I don't remember them having a recent election.


User currently offlinebinmonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 10):
I personally think that the IAM moved a little too quickly on this, as the dust is yet to settle on the merger.



They took TWO years to file. Also their contract expires at the end of the year, Delta has to honor the contract, however consider this? If the contract had expired and there is no longer a NW Airline, an argument could have been made to de-certify the union with out a vote. It is in everyones best intrest to have a vote, the employees have a right to choose.


Oh by the way how long did it take for the IAM to file after the HP/US merger ?


User currently offlineSurprise From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 9):
So basically, be year end, DL should have its union issues sorted out and everyone under one work group

I wish that were the case but I bet that there will be challenges to the outcome of the votes which will probably delay the whole process another 6 months. I truly hope I'm wrong because this has gone on long enough, but i doubt I am.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 15):
Probably the worst thing that could happen here is an outcome where the decision goes one way or the other due to poor turnout, and you end up with a large minority or even majority of people that are unhappy with the decision and have no one to blame but themselves because they didn't vote. That is the recipe for a disengaged, apathetic workforce.

No question. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; the worst possible scenario is a 51-49% type vote based on 50% turnout. I'm hoping for as close to 100% turnout as possible, and a landslide either way (obviously, I'd prefer a "yes" outcome, though). A definitive statement either way sets the tone. A marginal victory or defeat doesn't just mean a disengaged workforce, it also means a divided one. I don't feel like repeating this cycle every year or two...

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):
Whether to change unions was a choice with the Pilots?

I'm sure it was a forgone conclusion; I just included them, since I listed everyone else that hadn't already been discussed.

Quoting binmonster (Reply 17):
Oh by the way how long did it take for the IAM to file after the HP/US merger ?

About 5 minutes. Different era/circumstances, though.

Quoting Surprise (Reply 18):
I wish that were the case but I bet that there will be challenges to the outcome of the votes which will probably delay the whole process another 6 months. I truly hope I'm wrong because this has gone on long enough, but i doubt I am.

I hope you're wrong too; mostly for the reasons listed above.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 14):
Well, it's been 2 years now... When would've been a good time?


Damn, where did time go? LOL! Sorry, I was thinking of CO/UA. I was not fully awake when I typed it, and the coffee has not even kicked in yet this morning!  
Quoting binmonster (Reply 17):
They took TWO years to file. Also their contract expires at the end of the year, Delta has to honor the contract, however consider this? If the contract had expired and there is no longer a NW Airline, an argument could have been made to de-certify the union with out a vote. It is in everyones best intrest to have a vote, the employees have a right to choose.


Oh by the way how long did it take for the IAM to file after the HP/US merger ?

Read above! I am all for unions, especially in this industry. But, I also believe it is the right of the employees to decide if they want it or not. I think it is in everybody's best interest to sit together, and hammer out what they want. I just hope that all involved can be happy, and enjoy their jobs.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10432 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4220 times:

Quoting binmonster (Reply 8):
Below Wing ACS and Cargo Warehouse Voting under way until 18NOV 2PM
Quoting binmonster (Reply 8):
Res, ASC Passeneger Serivce and Cargo Customer Service Voting begins Nov2 until 07DEC 2PM
Quoting nwaesc (Reply 14):
Separately, can someone breakdown the cargo divisions? Which one votes with the ramp, and which one votes with above wing/res? I'm looking for a division number (ie. 806, etc.).

First of all, cargo is dept. #807.....cargo admin is #808 (I believe)


nwaesc and I have discussed this and we can't seem to figure out the split amongst the cargo employees. For the most part, with the PMDL cargo employees, there are no strictly "warehouse" workers or "customer facing" workers. Usually, you might work the warehouse one day and working with the customers, the next. So, how do you determine who votes in what group? They are all one group. Now, there are people that prefer to work just the warehouse or just the office, but that's not the same thing.



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User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4194 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 19):
, and a landslide either way (obviously, I'd prefer a "yes" outcome, though). A definitive statement either way sets the tone.


Keep dreaming on that, yes it will definitely be close on the ramp but upstairs i hear a lot will vote NO due to more numbers on the DL side.I think if we had more old Western guys around then maybe it would be more yes votes but most are gone and the majority of senior DL rampers favor that NO vote.

[Edited 2010-10-15 11:17:45]

User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4176 times:

Interesting... In my experience, it's been the senior people who are for having representation.

I don't think 100% participation is an unreasonable expectation. Someone would honestly have to have been in a coma for the last several weeks to not know that you have to vote in order to count. There may be some people who honestly don't care one way or the other, but I can't believe that number is more than a fraction of a percent.

I agree with your thought that the ramp will be close, but still hope it's a landslide one way or the other for the reasons I've already listed.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4159 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 9):
So basically, be year end, DL should have its union issues sorted out and everyone under one work group

So once the election closes, how soon will DL be all union/nonunion? Immediate, or is there a required time before it happens?



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25 nwaesc : If representation is not secured then the CBA(s) will be null and void immediately. Some things will transition to DL's policies/procedures right away
26 gonnagetbumpy : How long after the vote does it usually take to find out the results?
27 FlyASAGuy2005 : It's all done over the phone or online. I've been told it won't be too far after. (within days maybe?) Someone correct me please.
28 srbmod : There's no telling how long it would take after the election for a new CBA to be established if the IAM is successful, especially with the PMNW contr
29 nwaesc : We've been told by both the union and company that we'll know something by the end of the last day of voting. Lots of things "could" happen. Your the
30 srbmod : There's a big difference between the pilots and ramp. The two pilots groups were members of the same union, so it was imperative that they didn't hav
31 474218 : I hope they get the voting done soon. The IAM has been running commercials on Fox News and it has by far the, I have to be politically correct, most a
32 binmonster : Well we can thank NW and the NMB for the class an craft rules for Cargo. Delta had to restructure departments to align for the vote. Cargo Customer S
33 nwaesc : Neither FL, USAPA, ALPA, or the memberships from HP/US will be negotiating this one. Delta and it's employees will. The IAM will use extensive survey
34 srbmod : I'm quite aware that those groups will not be involved. I was citing examples of what has happened at other airlines to show that even if the IAM get
35 Post contains images binmonster : The irony is lost on you NWAESC .....LOL you must be total num from the IAM Koolaid.. Spending your Brothers money on FOX......LOL and rolling on the
36 474218 : Not at all, Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are true capitalist, they are in business to make money. The reason the IAM commercials are on Fox is beca
37 rwy04lga : That's why the IAM fought so hard to change the rules mid-stream, they KNEW they couldn't win otherwise and this will be their last/ best chance of g
38 mayor : I think the company realizes that, too and takes every chance it has to remind the employees to vote, yes or no, but make sure to vote. This all seem
39 nwaesc : You continue to contend that a joint T/A "could" take a long time. That implies an unrealistic offer from one side or the other. Actually, it wasn't.
40 srbmod : And the world "could" end tomorrow, but more than likely it's not. Nothing in this world certain, especially when it comes contract negotiations. Eve
41 bobnwa : Is that a valid observation or just idle talk. Won't watch CNN?
42 mayor : I have no idea. All I know is that #807 and #808 were in existence when I left in 2005. When cargo was made a separate division (I can't remember the
43 ocracoke : But you are OK with the IAM giving hundreds of millions over its existence to the democratic party? Hard earned dues going to a party against the wis
44 nwaesc : The MNPL supports candidates that support labor/the middle class. I have no problem with that.
45 ocracoke : I don't think anyone has any clue, and if they say they do.... they don't. There are hints though, such as: This statement coming from someone in a v
46 nwaesc : DL is running their entire campaign in a manner designed to provoke a visceral reaction. By whipping people into an evangelical frenzy, they've made
47 mayor : Delta doesn't really have to do much whipping people into a frenzy, considering how most of them feel about the company. That's the part you don't ge
48 Surprise : I don't really get where you are trying to go with this. It sounds like you think DL has done something wrong in it's campaign to keep the union out.
49 TVNWZ : Don't think he is saying that at all. Delta can legally run such a campaign. He is just noting the tone as he sees it. Others may, and probably do, d
50 mayor : And in this case, the tone is not that much different, if at all, than the one the IAM and AFA is taking. Is it possible that they are whipping their
51 bobnwa : No, unions are always prudent and reasonaable as noted by the AFA concerns over the size 28 dresses.
52 nwaesc : Slow down. Wrong in my eyes and illegal are two different things. ... Many DL employees have never worked *with* a union. We have "given it a chance"
53 nwaesc : Back to the topic... Anyone on here who's eligible to vote get their NMB packet yet?
54 dlflynhayn : Many have including myself so that's why Majority of us DL rampers will vote No...try again... How funny not for many of us...Why don't you go try AA
55 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : They must be on leave or living under a rock . Can't log into DLNet without seeing it. Leadership mentions it just about everyday in the briefings. H
56 mayor : And exactly WHAT did you expect to see in these two years, in the middle of a transitional period? What kind of comparison can be done when the workf
57 Surprise : I've talked to several people who have received their voting packets already. Which is pretty amazing considering how long I wait for anything sent by
58 SkyPriorityDTW : The one HUGE problem I have with this whole union vote is the fact that people are voting out of spite, and not based off of a rational decision. Look
59 nwaesc : Um, I work for Delta right now. They seem to have made it about as far west as Michigan at this point... No one I've spoken to past there has receive
60 Post contains images mayor : You know what I mean. Even during the transition of the DL/WA merger, things seemed like WA for a while after.......ex-WA managers, supervisors, lead
61 Post contains images rwy04lga : AMEN, Brother! Protecting their employees' interests is ALSO a top priority. There's a REASON why DL employees bought a 767 and GAVE it to Delta. 2 q
62 nwaesc : It is? Yes. In fact, I can think of 181M reasons from NW alone.
63 mayor : And what was that?
64 binmonster : They do, We also like to keep ALL of our seniority when we bid between departments. PLs and mangers
65 FlyASAGuy2005 : They have PLs under the same department as managers? I thought they (the PLs) were still considered non-merit. Thanks for the clarification; would ha
66 binmonster : The IAM members bought their leadership an airplane! of course they did not volunteer any extra dues for, I pretty sure the membership didnt vote for
67 binmonster : Things started changing to align departments, for class and craft. So your right in the past PLs were in the department they worked in. PLs were move
68 Post contains links FlyASAGuy2005 : http://blog.delta.com/2009/09/04/del...t-stories-767-the-spirit-of-delta/ What a great a/c. I got to fly on her a few times while she was still active
69 NWAdeicer : Just out of curiousity, is DL seniority used strictly for bidding, and of course the obligiatory nonrev travel? What happens, say, if I worked at one
70 Surprise : You can't bump another employee out of a city or a job. If you go to another station you go in at the opening they have until the next bid and then y
71 ericaasen : But the front side of that is you're f'ed if they outsource your station. "Oh, you've been here 30 years but can't afford to retire yet. Oh, that's s
72 nwaesc : Not all departments... If,say, a stock clerk gets their A&P and moves to Tech Ops as an AMT, they start over, do they not? IFS has proportional s
73 Post contains images ericaasen : I've got my pilot's license can I bid for a FO line?
74 Surprise : I would agree with you if the union could do anything to stop it but as has been pointed out time and time again they can't. If the business is bad e
75 nwaesc : Don't forget that the 30 year guy might be able to retire, but can't afford it, because there's no retiree medical anymore. Another gem from the HRPM
76 stratosphere : I have talked to current and former DL employees and the ones who bought that 767 were working in a different culture back then. I heard after the We
77 nwaesc : There is a big difference between a furlough and an outsourcing. Both suck, but at least the former offers a glimmer of hope of one day returning. Sc
78 ericaasen : Oh, but the union CAN!!! By allowing bumping. Tell me why a 30 year vet should be shown the door over a kid who just passed his piss test? Yeah, it m
79 ocracoke : Just curious. If DL employees have no recall rights, then why did DL bother to recall all those non-union flight attendants still left on the recall
80 mayor : I knew a WA guy in SLC that had been bumped 7 times in one day when he was still Western. This might make sense if the "no bumping" policy was a new
81 Surprise : I got news for you, employees are an expense. In fact they and fuel are the larges ones any airline has. So the question is how does a company treat
82 stratosphere : Maybe..But I work with in my dept quite a few Ex DL mechanics all of them with the exception of one had over 20+ yrs. with DL and left that seniority
83 mayor : All that tells me is that the ex-DL folks you're working with weren't very loyal, no matter the circumstances. Sometimes, you've just got to suck it
84 FlyASAGuy2005 : You will still get the opportunity to bid the next time around all you'll be right back to your sweet fri-sat-sun off days working the am shift (or w
85 skyguyB727 : Under the RLA, contracts do not expire like they do in other industries. They become amendable. Back in the mid-80s, "ready reserve" was called TPT (
86 stratosphere : Umm when I say they left DL to work for us I did not mean NWA. They came to work for who I work for now. They have no desire to go back to DL. Well I
87 ericaasen : Okay, I did this on another thread. And it turns out that less than one one-hundredth of one percent of all unemployed applied for jobs at DL. There
88 nwaesc : Of course, but a company will be better off in the long run when they view them as an investment. Well, guess what? Ready Reserves are now plentiful,
89 ericaasen : To help keep this thread alive I'm putting it back on topic by saying I got my voting instructions from the NMB today and it took a grand total of 30
90 rwy04lga : I heard that some 200,000 applied, didn't you? Maybe not 'everybody', but a hellava lot! NONE??? Ready Reserve works perfectly for me and I'm sure pl
91 FlyASAGuy2005 : You're right. He cited 60,000 as the total number but that's actually just for in-flight. It's roughly 200,000 total counting ACS above and below win
92 NWAdeicer : [quote=rwy04lga,reply=90]The main reason I'm against the IAM is that they'll take away my RR. Wow, certainly not the DL "family" or "culture" way now
93 FlyASAGuy2005 : Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I have my own opinion but so long as your are voting yes for good reason other than what everyone else is saying,
94 474218 : FMLA is a federal law DL must offer it and it can be used to care for a "family member". However, un-like sick leave, you do not get paid while on FM
95 ericaasen : I stand corrected, but that's still .02%. Yay! And out of those 200,000 how many of them spend all day online applying to every job they see online?
96 NWAdeicer : I did something that I hope people on both sides of the union fence did. I did my homework, I read all of the propaganda, er, information sent to me
97 skyguyB727 : How does Ready Reserve differ from part-time other than that RR people don't get benefits (other than passes) and are restricted to a maximum of 1,30
98 binmonster : That is true IFS has proportional seniority. Since I have been with the company 26 years.......... I have seen it done to ways. 1. During the system
99 Post contains images rwy04lga : We're advised to get all the facts and choose what's best for our own self and that's whay I'm doing. Are you suggesting that I do what you or the IA
100 stratosphere : I did not get paid for my FMLA when my mother was dying but his point is that he DID get paid thats his point.
101 CV880 : Delta and other large employers in the State of CA used to pay employees who were on leave under FMLA. The law was changed a few years ago back to th
102 Post contains images nwaesc : Yep... Got mine as well. Amazingly simple... It's all well and good that you are now able to enjoy working for DL as a hobby, but not everyone is in
103 dlflynhayn : Again what planet are you from? because i know i did say we all need that paycheck cause i don't know who would work for free hello,maybe if your uni
104 nwaesc : There are many at DL that are here solely for the flight benefits. As for working for free? Heck, one of the regulars on this board has said he'd do
105 binmonster : This is out of context, Delta employees are eligible for pay protection while on FMLA. In the case of PPT, their or two options for PPT. SKD PPT or U
106 nwaesc : Help me out here, then... Finish these 3 hypothetical sentences, please: 1. My wife is ill/recovering from surgery/whatever, and I need 2 weeks off to
107 MD-90 : Who is "them?" You ARE "them," because you are a Delta employee, no different from the CEO down to the newest hire. "They" are you and you are they!
108 Post contains images rwy04lga :
109 nwaesc : We're not all one and the same. "Them" is DL, the corporate entity. A corporation has a goal of maximizing it's profits/shareholder value. An employe
110 mayor : An employee should also be trying to maximize the profits the company is making.....that is also a goal.
111 nwaesc : Of course it is, since your employers success ensures you continuing to be paid. But when you distill it all down, my example is what you come up with
112 mayor : Not necessarily. You work to maximize profits because, that, in turn, should maximize what you receive.
113 lucky777 : Ummm.....only a fool would fail to see the hypocrisy in those 2 responses. You suggest that NWAdeicer is an " IAM koolaid drinker" for suggesting tha
114 srbmod : Since my earlier warnings have been ignored, this thread is locked.
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