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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Looks like there MAY be a new airline, part of a travel group leasing Air Atlanta 747 300s.

http://www.canadaextra.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pubDsp.dspAirline

To be honest, I dont think it will work. Are there not enough charter airlines running the UK/Canada route, as well as the likes of BA/AC that go direct??

What do you think?

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User currently offlineaidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

Well the website could start with a make-over as the use of other airlines media photos doesn't look that professional. Also various other parts of it have a similar style to that of Viking airlines website such as the extras, timetable and booking process. Could there be a link here or just same website company?

[Edited 2010-10-14 15:47:32]

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7859 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Thread starter):
Are there not enough charter airlines running the UK/Canada route

Not as many as there used to be, Zoom and Globespan have gone. I found this July that Canadian Affair (operated by TS / Thomas Cook) was more expensive than it has ever been and about $350 more than I paid 13 months before. They are the only leisure carrier to the UK now. ZB did some YYC flights, but I have found it impossible to locate them and book on them.

Of course, there was a reason why Z4 & GSM went pop, though I dont know they were connected to the Candian leisure market per se, but I think things are slowly picking up and I know Zoom at least were always pretty full.

At the end of the day, if the price is cheap, I would probably fly them and Im sure many others would too if it was advertized correctly for the public to know about the flights - personally I may be somewhat swayed just to get on a 743...

Quoting lhr380 (Thread starter):
likes of BA/AC that go direct

Of course they have the business pax tied up, and those wanting the Star / OW / aeroplan / whatever miles etc, but for the cost conscious leisure traveller they are almost unaffordable - this summer AC were $800 more than Canadian Affair and BA a further $200 again.

With a larger aircraft than the 767 with better CASM, I think there is certainly room. Whether a 747 300 is that aircraft however is doubtful. A330 300 would be the ideal machine.



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User currently offlineBureaucromancer From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Without looking at the details of this specific company I suspect that there is room for another discount transatlantic operator from Canada. Transat/Cook really are pretty heavily focussed on charter, and aren't at all popular in any case. Frankly I think someone like Zoom, with a real focus on scheduled service has a place - in fact, my impression was that they were doing alright until an over ambitious expansion plan sank them. Actually, all in all, what I really see is a place for Westjet to move into this market, although I suspect that they would be more comfortable teaming with another carrier at this point; although what I do dream of is a post 737 WestJet with two types, something a bit smaller (E-Jet or C-Series) and a smaller widebody (the 787 really seems the obvious choice right now).

User currently offlineferengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7325 times:
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I'm dubious whether this is a real start up or just a prank - they state that the aircraft are Boeing 747-300, yet the picture clearly shows a 747-200. Now come on, at least get the aircraft right. It's not rocket science.


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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7300 times:

Quoting ferengi80 (Reply 4):
I'm dubious whether this is a real start up or just a prank - they state that the aircraft are Boeing 747-300, yet the picture clearly shows a 747-200. Now come on, at least get the aircraft right. It's not rocket science.

I think the last thing on this mind is having the correct photos up. If you want to talk about photos though, there are seats that are not Air Atlanta Iceland seats, some of the call centre pics are indeed generic and have been used on other websites. Who knows if this is a legit tour operator that has actually chartered out the 743s but I know I won't be putting my money on them .


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Name hasn't got much of a ring to it... sounds a tad "awkward" (if that makes sense). Having said, it would be great if we ended up seeing more 743s in the UK so I'd be very happy if they take to the skies!

User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

Hope its real merely coz I want something new to photograph .. and wouldnt mind seeing a 743 in a different colourscheme. 

User currently offlinescrumpy492003 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

I don't recall ever seeing "Canada Extra" with any 747 flying out of YYC. The only 747 I see is Cargolux with their744F.

Monarch is a regular arrival, and Iceland Air has been chartered to bring British Troops here,

BUT

Not Air Atlantic or Canada Extra.



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 5):
I think the last thing on this mind is having the correct photos up. If you want to talk about photos though, there are seats that are not Air Atlanta Iceland seats, some of the call centre pics are indeed generic and have been used on other websites. Who knows if this is a legit tour operator that has actually chartered out the 743s but I know I won't be putting my money on them .

The blonde call center girl they use is the same as AA Vacation's call center girl.


User currently offlineiclcy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

It seems a big jump going from selling Holidays to Italy to leasing a 747 for Canadian flights.

The Google ad which has appeared on a couple of pages on a.net is advertising £199 o/w all in LGW -YVR bookings can be made with £50 deposit. I wouldn't hand over any money to any airline that isn't flying now, let alone in a years time.

British people don't use the term 'entree' to describe main courses. Seems like a total cut & paste job from a bunch of different websites.


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

This also happened not too long ago with another transportation forum. Someone came across a new Ferry Service that would sail between Vancouver and Vancouver Island in British Columbia. The pictures were as well an amalgamation of sources. Turned out to be some student project and not a bona fide company.

User currently offlineflykev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6791 times:
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Anyone find it weird that they process payments through Cyprus?

I would hesitate before placing a booking personally.

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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3011 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6767 times:
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Oddly the site IS registered to Lai Travel Limited, London, UK

Domain Name.......... canadaextra.com
Creation Date........ 2007-07-08
Registration Date.... 2010-08-19
Expiry Date.......... 2012-07-08
Organisation Name.... Lai Travel Limited
Organisation Address. 925 Finchley Road
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. London
Organisation Address. NW11 7PE
Organisation Address. --
Organisation Address. GREAT BRITAIN (UK)

might be real?



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User currently offlineBritishWorld From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

I wouldn't get too excited about that fact. A quick web search of "925 Finchley Road" shows that there are many, many companies registered to that address; it's probably just a solicitors' office, or an office belonging to one of those proxy agencies that sets up registered companies.

In fact, this seems to be the company in question - http://www.laiholidays.co.uk/about-us - and at the bottom of that page, you'll see that the 925 Finchley Road address is just the company registered office (i.e. the administrative address that they must register with the UK Companies House body), while their actual operating premises are elsewhere.

They've helpfully included a picture of their premises as well on the same (you can see a larger view via Google Streetview at http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...or3IxdaSA&cbp=12,194.87,,0,-7.74).

Looks like nothing more than a travel agency with pie-in-the-sky dreams. What's especially confusing is that they market themselves as Italian holiday specialists, so who knows where this whole Canadian link has come from!



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Wait, could this be the same 747-300 that... no it can't be... or can it?



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

LAI Travel .. I used to book flights to sicily through them from Luton like 15 yrs ago lol! Had a tiny office in Bedford.

User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

I dunno. I know it's the cool thing to be as sceptical as possible on this site (lots of legtimate ideas have been 'debunked' along with fake ones over the years). But it seems to me that, while the website is not of high quality, it doesn't exactly scream 'fake' either.

To me, the fact that flights appear to be fully bookable, and that they directly indicate that the flights are operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic, and that they have an ATOL number registered with the CAA, suggest that this is a legitimate operation. Possibly a poorly managed, destined-for-failure, kind of operation, but legitimate all the same.

The one thing that has me scratching my head is that there doesn't seem to have been a press release or anything. One would think that if they were going to be offering this service, they would want to get the word out there. Perhaps they lack the funds even to publicize it, which wouldn't be a great sign. Or maybe they're waiting for something.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

JL



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlinejmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

This isn't an airline. Its a tour operator selling seats to Canada on flights it has chartered. Flights are chartered from Air Atlanta - who are no stranger to the UK charter market. They even appear ATOL protected, which is a big bonus, although it depends what the actual ATOL bond is.

There probably is room in the market for another operator UK-Canada. Traditionally has been a big market with a good number of airlines and operators over the years. The last few years, with the tough trading and consolodation has basically left Canadian Affair with the charter market wrapped up, and the usual BA/AC scheduled services. (out of interest, are Canadian Affair using Monarch next summer?)

However, lets see if it actually happens, and if it does how long for. As discussed above there seem to be some irregularities with it. Unprofessional website? Payments to Cyprus? Booking engine comparable to Viking (may be an off-the-shelf software product, but massive alarm bells if the connections run deeper). Hmmm

[Edited 2010-10-15 13:26:25]

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 15):
Wait, could this be the same 747-300 that... no it can't be... or can it?

Ironically, it appears the logo on the tail of the Metis 747 and the logo for CanadaExtra bear similarities -- note the 3 swooshy thingys.  

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19209 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

The way I see it, Canada Extra is simply like Canadian Affair - a tour operator chartering aircraft. And, yes, the latter offers the opportunity of paying a deposit (£100) beyond 10 weeks before departure.


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 20):
The way I see it, Canada Extra is simply like Canadian Affair - a tour operator chartering aircraft.

Yes, I have a feeling we're looking at a new "TravelCityDirect" type of operation (Which, btw also utilised an Air Atlanta Icelandic 743)


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