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When Is The Next AA Announcement?  
User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9962 times:

As discussed many times on this thread, there should be a lot of AA news coming out this fall. 4 or 5 more new routes from JFK alone....

So when will the next announcement be?


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User currently offlinea300aa From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

Oct 20 during the 3 quarter report earnings.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3792 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9628 times:
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Quoting AA787 (Thread starter):
4 or 5 more new routes from JFK alone....

I wouldn't be surprised if Berlin is one of the new destinations, since Air Berlin is set to join One World. BUD wouldn't surprise me either.

I predict for the next two years or so:

-American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.
-American seriously considering the 739ER.
-Unions reach new agreement with pilots, hence final decision to convert first 42 787s on order to firm order.
-First 787 expected to join the fleet in Fall of 2012.
-American installs WI-Fi on 767-300 aircraft.
-New possible TPAC routes: LAX-ICN and LAX-HKG.
-New route BRU-BOS being looked at, but seasonal only.
-2 more B777s delivered.
-American celebrates 30 years of AAdvantage program.

Ben Soriano

[Edited 2010-10-14 20:39:01]


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

I wonder if we will see an announcement with B6 around that time. Isn't there supposed to be one coming soon?


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 3):
I wonder if we will see an announcement with B6 around that time. Isn't there supposed to be one coming soon?

AA is known for making big announcements alongside their earnings call. Not too sure about B6 but as an FYI, theirs is on 10/21 if you wanted to know.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9510 times:
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Quoting AA787 (Thread starter):
As discussed many times on this thread, there should be a lot of AA news coming out this fall. 4 or 5 more new routes from JFK alone....

JFK-LIM daily.


User currently offlineakizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9512 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
I wouldn't be surprised if Berlin is one of the new destinations, since Air Berlin is set to join One World. BUD wouldn't surprise me either.

I predict for the next two years or so:

-American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.
-American seriously considering the 739ER.
-Unions reach new agreement with pilots, hence final decision to convert first 42 787s on order to firm order.
-First 787 expected to join the fleet in Fall of 2012.
-American installs WI-Fi on 767-300 aircraft.
-New possible TPAC routes: LAX-ICN and LAX-HKG.
-New route BRU-BOS being looked at, but seasonal only.
-2 more B777s delivered.

Ben Soriano

Us-airways 757 - highly unlikely... Fedex written all over this one..

Could definitely see the 739's

I think the AA pilots union will agree in the near future. More of a story is how unhappy maintenance is with their proposal.

787's could see that.

American has no reason to instal wifi on the 763's

I agree but... I think LAX-HKG, DFW-ICN, & ORD-HKG would be a better fit.

BOS - Highly unlikely..

Yes the 777's will come...



DCA
User currently offlineakizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9493 times:

Quoting a300aa (Reply 1):
Oct 20 during the 3 quarter report earnings.

I think the route announcements will come the following week. I hear there will be 9-12 new destinations announced over a period of time. The obvious one is MIA-BCN.. Hints its mistaken announcement on the press release.



DCA
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9466 times:

Could somebody provide a quick summary of what announcements have been made in the last few weeks? I saw the new routes thread, but were there other announcements that I missed?

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
BUD wouldn't surprise me either.

JFK-BUD has already been announced.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9373 times:
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Quoting akizidy214 (Reply 7):
The obvious one is MIA-BCN.. Hints its mistaken announcement on the press release.

IIRC, AA will increase frequency on the MIA-MAD route to 2x daily. AA will also reinstate service to Asunción and launch a new service to Córdoba via SCL or ASU.


User currently offlineakizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9287 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
AA will also reinstate service to Asunción and launch a new service to Córdoba via SCL or ASU.


Good information... But the announcements will center around service to Europe.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7609 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
-American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.
-American seriously considering the 739ER.
-Unions reach new agreement with pilots, hence final decision to convert first 42 787s on order to firm order.
-First 787 expected to join the fleet in Fall of 2012.
-American installs WI-Fi on 767-300 aircraft.
-New possible TPAC routes: LAX-ICN and LAX-HKG.
-New route BRU-BOS being looked at, but seasonal only.
-2 more B777s delivered.
-American celebrates 30 years of AAdvantage program.

I know for a fact LAX-HKG and LAX-ICN are not being looked at. CX has the LAX-HKG market well in hand. Given AA's willingness to rely on codeshares, it is definately not in the cards. The LAX-ICN market is extremely competitive. KE and OZ have far superior products and between the two they make up 6 flights a day. AA would get crushed.

ORD-HKG and DFW-ICN continue to be toyed with, but nothing concrete. Those are the big holes in their network.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9196 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):

I wouldn't be surprised if Berlin is one of the new destinations, since Air Berlin is set to join One World. BUD wouldn't surprise me either.

I predict for the next two years or so:

-American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.
-American seriously considering the 739ER.
-Unions reach new agreement with pilots, hence final decision to convert first 42 787s on order to firm order.
-First 787 expected to join the fleet in Fall of 2012.
-American installs WI-Fi on 767-300 aircraft.
-New possible TPAC routes: LAX-ICN and LAX-HKG.
-New route BRU-BOS being looked at, but seasonal only.
-2 more B777s delivered.
-Americ
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
know for a fact LAX-HKG and LAX-ICN are not being looked at. CX has the LAX-HKG market well in hand. Given AA's willingness to rely on codeshares, it is definately not in the cards. The LAX-ICN market is extremely competitive. KE and OZ have far superior products and between the two they make up 6 flights a day. AA would get crushed.

  . AA will leave LAX-HKG to CX. They have the appropriate equipment to fly this route frequently and profitably. In fact, I think we'll see CX add ORD-HKG at some point as well. The 77W is a great a/c for these North America flights and their inflight products are top notch compared to what AA has on offer.

Why would AA want US' 75Ws for? Doesn't AA have enough 75Ws of their own if they want to expand over the pond on short, narrow routes within Western Europe?

I'm critical about JFK-BUD because it's a very hot & cold market so to speak. As it is with DL's costs much lower than AA's, this will be the first year they dropped the service for the Fall & Winter. AA needs to get their costs down a great deal for these "special" international markets to work for them.

I think AA would do better than IB on LAX-MAD. Isn't the A343 too large an a/c for this route, at least in the begining? I was surprised to not see AA start this route with a 763ER. Is the main reason they just don't have the gates available @ LAX for the needed departure and arival times?


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
-American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.
Quoting laca773 (Reply 13):
Why would AA want US' 75Ws for? Doesn't AA have enough 75Ws of their own if they want to expand over the pond on short, narrow routes within Western Europe?

Good question, Iaca773. I'd have thought that if AA wanted more 757s they'd have gone for the ones BA recently got rid of unless of course the BA 757s were either very near the end of their service life or very close to needing a D-check.



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
I wouldn't be surprised if Berlin is one of the new destinations, since Air Berlin is set to join One World. .

AB will fly TXL/BER - JFK I don´t think AA would start this route. I think they would fly DFW, ORD or LAX instead

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
American seriously considering the 739ER.

would be a great looking aircraft  



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

Would be nice if they bought MIA-MAN again. I know it didn't do too well last time, but if they did it in conjunction with the cruise ship companies it may do better. Thoughts?

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11631 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

To follow-up on what I said the last time around (pre-6 October announcement), here is what I would be ideally hoping for:

New York JFK-Amsterdam / daily 75L
New York JFK-Frankfurt / daily 75L
New York JFK-Moscow / daily 763
New York JFK-Stockholm / daily 75L

and

New York JFK-Bogotá / daily 757

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
I wouldn't be surprised if Berlin is one of the new destinations, since Air Berlin is set to join One World.

Air Berlin is flying TXL-JFK 4x weekly for S11. I doubt AA will add to that - if anything, AA would fly ORD-Berlin, but they would probably wait for the transition from TXL to BER for that (i.e,. 2012).

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.

Not likely. AA doesn't like non-standard fleets, thus why they got rid of the last non-standard 757 fleet (ex-TWA).

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
New possible TPAC routes: LAX-ICN and LAX-HKG.

Not going to happen. As mentioned already, if anything it would be DFW-ICN and ORD-HKG. Both are long overdue.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
New route BRU-BOS being looked at, but seasonal only.

Highly unlikely without the SN partnership.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
AA will also reinstate service to Asunción and launch a new service to Córdoba via SCL or ASU.

It has been my contention that doing a 1-stop through ASU might make more sense with a 757.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8484 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 17):
Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.

Not likely. AA doesn't like non-standard fleets, thus why they got rid of the last non-standard 757 fleet (ex-TWA).

The ex-TWA 757s were equipped with P&W engines, and they were also leased. According to the (admittedly small) amount of info I could find on the web, the soon-to-be ex-US 757s have RR engines like nAAtive 757s do although they seem to have an interior layout more like the ex-TWA birds with regard to lavatory (mid-coach versus far aft) and emergency exit locations.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3792 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8335 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 17):
New York JFK-Amsterdam / daily 75L
New York JFK-Frankfurt / daily 75L
New York JFK-Moscow / daily 763
New York JFK-Stockholm / daily 75L

and

New York JFK-Bogotá / daily 757

I would like to see New York JFK-Nice /daily 75L during the summer season. I doubt that will happen.

Quoting commavia (Reply 17):
Not likely. AA doesn't like non-standard fleets, thus why they got rid of the last non-standard 757 fleet (ex-TWA).

Yes, but the difference is US 757s are RR powered, same power plant as nAAtive AA 757s, as opposed to ex-TW 757s which were PW powered (that's why Delta took them).

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8240 times:

Has AA officially said there will be further announcements regarding new flights?

User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8205 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
First 787 expected to join the fleet in Fall of 2012.

Sadly, AA won't see a 787 until 2014. AA ordered the 787-9, which is scheduled to enter revenue service with launch customer AZ at the end of 2013.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 20):
Has AA officially said there will be further announcements regarding new flights?

Publicly, I'm not sure. But AA management told employees there would be five new JFK-Europe routes announced for Summer 2011, plus one JFK-South America. That announcement from management came four or five months ago, and was re-iterated in the past few weeks. The real surprises, thus far, were LAX-PVG and ORD-HEL, as most of the spotlight, internally, has been on JFK.

Thus far AA has publicly announced:

JFK-BUD
ORD-HEL
Double daily JFK-BCN and MIA-MAD
LAX-PVG
Recall of 545 flight attendants and 250 pilots



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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7810 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 17):
AA doesn't like non-standard fleets, thus why they got rid of the last non-standard 757 fleet (ex-TWA).

As a result of that move, those B757s were immediately deployed against AA in JFK-Europe and JFK-California. In retrospect, not exactly a brilliant decision.

Hard to envision US 757s being an attractive option. If AA wanted to move more 757s to Europe, it would probably be easier and more sustainable in the long term to suspend MD80 retirements as 738 deliveries continue. Shift 738s to backfill the 757s moved to Europe. Ground the MD80s as dictated by a gradual reduction of domestic capacity.

AA really, really needs to work out their labor issues. They are competing with one hand tied behind their back. Their guidance suggests $500MM in incremental revenues as a result of AA/BA/IB. Between their cost disadvantage and the very real possibility of losing ground to UA and DL on the revenue side, 500 mil just doesn't cut it.

To my understanding, the issue isn't even wages; it is productivity and workrules. Get the labor costs down and then some real growth opportunities start to emerge as a result of the JV. Hopefully their unions will come to understand this.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
American to acquire second hand 757s from US Airways, I doubt it but it's not impossible.
Quoting laca773 (Reply 13):
Why would AA want US' 75Ws for? Doesn't AA have enough 75Ws of their own if they want to expand over the pond on short, narrow routes within Western Europe?

Remember that part of the plan for the TWA deal was that UA-US would go through. So, UA (flying P&W-powered 757s) would swap the US 757s with AA for the TW 757s. If the merger had gone through, UA and AA would have had both 3- and 4-door 757s.

The question how different are origianl US 757s and former HP 757s? It's one thing to update one standard cockpit to another standard. It's another if there are actually 2 cockpits to update to a 3rd standard.

From what I hear, scheduling has been a bit of a headache since AA retired the TW 757s and the A300s. There are probably a number of routes where AA could use 737s instead of MD-80s, and 757s instead of 737s. But, with the curent fleet, they're stuck.

If AA could get some 757s, assuming that they don't need a lot of work to change to AA standards, then they could retire some MD-80s that are still gas guzzlers and expensive, even with oil still under $90 a barrel.


25 Post contains images fxramper : Did hell freeze over? JFK-LIS
26 commavia : I, myself, don't see it. I don't think AA would be too crazy sending a 757 on a route that long, considering that - from what I've heard - BCN was an
27 USAirALB : Who says US is getting rid of their 752 ETOPS, I agree, the domestic 757s are(or already long gone) out the door.
28 PHX Flyer : Actually, according to a US employee forum, US is adding three for the Hawai'i flights. The old Eastern birds are certainly of no use for passenger s
29 aacun : All right. So next tuesday should bring in some Miami news. However, It has been years since I had so many people come up to me with a rumor in hand a
30 aaway : This could possibly correspond to an Eagle rumor for a Monday, September 18th announcement. The betting line is that this will involve the establishm
31 ChopChop767 : Agree completely! While AA does service most of the EURO capitals and financial hubs, AMS seems like it would be an obvious choice. For this route, I
32 laca773 : If it were to happen, I feel we'd see AB add LAX-TXL/BER before AA would do so since they already fly 2-3X weekly on DUS-LAX-DUS with A332s. AB could
33 shamrock604 : Im going to stick my neck out and guess the 4 new JFK euro routes will be: DUB LIS ARN either BHX or GLA Dublin has been rumoured for some time now, e
34 EricR : AA's previous round of announcements involved launching routes between the United States and OW alliance member's home countries. I don't think this s
35 Humberside : Already flown by AA seasonally
36 goldenstate : I'd have to disagree with you on this one. Delta was already in JFK-Europe, and of course AA could have entered the transatlantic with its own 757 fl
37 PZ : Today is Tuesday, is there going to be an announcement in MIA today??
38 777STL : Big deal. AA still has a superior product on the 762s flying JFK-LAX/SFO, and most of AA's justification for getting rid of them was the lease rates,
39 runway23 : No that was to promote fare from MIA to NYC. Tomorrow is either when a release will come out or we will find out that AA is done for this year.
40 PZ : Thank you! Here in ASU we are crossing our fingers waiting to see AA come back!
41 brissedk : Summer 2011 is going to be fierce between all of the Nordic Capitals and NYC (EWR/JFK) SK, CO and DL will provide 3 daily flights from each. I think
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