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User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Any updates on NZ or QF starting ORD? NZ stated they will when the 789's arrive (CO has already announced IAH-AKL). QF announced ORD, but pulled it during SARs.

Will any of these airlines fly to ORD in the next 10 years?

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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
Will any of these airlines fly to ORD in the next 10 years?

I really, really doubt it for QF. They will almost certainly fly to DFW, from where connections are pretty good on AA. Apart from DFW no other North American port really makes any seance, except maybe YVR.

NZ, no comment

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3957 times:
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Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
Will any of these airlines fly to ORD in the next 10 years?

With NZ, it would say its a 95% safe bet due to UAs hub and IMHO I was expect services to start sometime in the next 2-3 years


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1974 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

QF had plan to fly to ORD but they cancelled their plan due to 9/11.


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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 1):
I really, really doubt it for QF. They will almost certainly fly to DFW, from where connections are pretty good on AA.

Why would you say you 'really, really doubt it'? They've considered ORD before, and AA has great connections at ORD as well.


User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 3):
QF had plan to fly to ORD but they cancelled their plan due to 9/11.

The cancellation was nothing to do with 9/11. Infact, the route wasn't announced until over one year later!

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2002/nov02/2822

Flights were pulled within weeks of the launch date. SARS? I still remember the advertising in the terminals and the fact that Long Haul colleagues had the ORD patterns on their rosters.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 4):
Why would you say you 'really, really doubt it'? They've considered ORD before, and AA has great connections at ORD as well.

AA does NOT have "great connections" at ORD if you are coming from Australia, DFW has more and better connections. ORD is too far north and you are backtracking for much of the mid west and east coast.

For these reasons I think QF will chose DFW over ORD. I think serving both is highly unlikely.

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User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

Qantas did fly to ORD in the mid-late 90s, as a tag-on to (I think) either LAX, YVR, or SFO, with flights ending around the time of the 1997/98 Asian economic crisis. This flight was not related to the 2002 (aborted) restart, and like the JFK flight that continues to this day, QF could not carry pax for the North American part of the flight only. I distinctly remember QF signage at ORD in the halls of T3, which is where they had departures (from Concourse L, IIRC) and their ticket counter. (QF codeshared with AA then, as they do today.) Arrivals came into T4 and later T5, as all ORD international flights do.

I think we could see both NZ and QF launch ORD once the 787 comes into their fleets, or maybe UA could do ORD-AKL. After all, why would UA/CO start IAH-AKL without a similar Star Alliance departure from ORD?

[Edited 2010-10-16 15:44:58]


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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
Qantas did fly to ORD in the mid-late 90s

I'm 99.9% certain that QF has never started scheduled services to ORD. I couldn't find a press release for it in the 90s anywhere and certainly don't remember it.

The only place near ORD that QF have had scheduled services was YYZ in the 1990s as a tag from HNL with B767s.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinerevo1059 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

I worked at ORD T4/T5 through most of the 90s (MU, SU's IL62s coming in, RO, FF, OA, GD, 5J, JM, L8, T7,etc) and never saw QF.

User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
I'm 99.9% certain that QF has never started scheduled services to ORD. I couldn't find a press release for it in the 90s anywhere and certainly don't remember it.

Qantas have never flown their own passenger planes to ORD. They charter freight operators and put QF flight numbers on them, and they codeshare on AA.

It was the LAX-JFK flights that got pulled for a short time after 9/11


User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
The only place near ORD that QF have had scheduled services was HNL with B767s.
Quoting revo1059 (Reply 9):
I worked at ORD T4/T5 through most of the 90s (MU, SU's IL62s coming in, RO, FF, OA, GD, 5J, JM, L8, T7,etc) and never saw QF.

Thanks for the clarification   I still remember seeing Qantas on the terminal signage at T3 in ORD, though, for some reason, I never saw one of their planes there for some reason. I guess that explains it.

[Edited 2010-10-16 18:50:17]


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2981 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 5):
Flights were pulled within weeks of the launch date. SARS? I still remember the advertising in the terminals and the fact that Long Haul colleagues had the ORD patterns on their rosters

This has always interested me. I dont't think ORD got SARS, it was YYZ, correct?

We may never know..



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
Any updates on NZ or QF starting ORD? NZ stated they will when the 789's arrive (CO has already announced IAH-AKL). QF announced ORD, but pulled it during SARs.

Will any of these airlines fly to ORD in the next 10 years?

Just a few days ago an NZ executive was again quoted as saying that ORD was of interest once the 789s arrive (along with GRU and India), but that's a long way short of a commitment.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 11):
Thanks for the clarification I still remember seeing Qantas on the terminal signage at T3 in ORD, though, for some reason, I never saw one of their planes there for some reason. I guess that explains it.

The QF signs were there because of the AA code share.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

I don't think we will see any flights from ORD to Australia or New Zealand. UA/CO has already announced IAH-AKL because IAH is situated in a better geographical location than ORD for connections. It will be UA's biggest hub and will offer excellent connections to Latin America also. For the same reason, DFW would make a better location than ORD for QF/AA.

Keep on mind that there is a finite limit to the amount of flights that NZ can support. The population of the entire country of NZ is similar in size to the metropolitan area of PHX. I know that doesn't directly translate to the size of the O&D, but gives some idea of scale. Please don't be offended, I have been to NZ and loved it but didn't UA drop it's flight to AKL because the market couldn't support two LAX flights?


User currently offlinezkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4773 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 15):
but didn't UA drop it's flight to AKL because the market couldn't support two LAX flights?

Well NZ had 2 direct dailys and QF had 1 so that was 3 plus NZ had indirect flights via the islands.
UA had its 1
so it wasn't a case of not supporting 2 LAX flights...it couldn't support 4 direct LAX flights/ UA and NZ agreed to help each other by NZ dropping SYD-LAX and UA dropping AKL-LAX



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 15):
I don't think we will see any flights from ORD to Australia or New Zealand.

Yes, but as noted above, NZ management suggests differently.



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User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

when NZ take hold of the 787's now dated for 2014 ask the question again. however if they took hold of some 777-200LR's to plug the gap to the arrival of the 787 they could start as soon as the summer timetable next year. ORD is a very good place to fly to and a great Star Hub.. but would they really need the extra flights to the US when they have a hub at LAX and codeshare on UA (CO), and US for flights inland to the rest of the USA market...


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