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Alaska Adding LAX-GDL/PVR?  
User currently offlinesocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Im looking at flights to GDL this Feb and am seeing that Alaska has a late afternoon flight now. I don't ever recall them having a second frequency to GDL. Has there been an announcement ? I'm also seeing a early morning departure to PVR. Obviously in response to MX ceasing operations. Anyone else think they will add any more LAX-Mexico flying?

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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
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West Coast-Mexico flights are Alaska's routes to lose if they jump on them. But they seem to be doing some additions despite their limited resources. Perhaps AS has decided not to retire some airplanes they had planned earlier in the year.

The only announcement I've seen is the 2nd flight between LAX-MEX.


User currently offlinecoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Here are the current flights that Alaska has to Mexico starting soon.
San Diego (SAN) - Puerto Vallarta (PVR) 11/12/10 - 04/11/11 1x Daily
San Jose (SJC) - Los Cabos (SJD)* 12/4/10 Wed, Sat, Sun
San Jose (SJC) - Guadalajara (GDL)* 12/15/10 4x Weekly
Sacramento (SMF) - Guadalajara (GDL)* 12/16/10 3x Weekly
Alaska appears to be jumping on the Mexico routes. All the new Alaska mainline flights are to Mexico or Hawaii. The only other new service is Horizon starting their seasonal routes to ski destinations. Seems to me that Alaska mainline schedule is going to be pretty full soon.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Interesting, I don't recall seeing this announced, but looking at the previous schedule from a couple weeks ago to the schedule this week, it does appear a 2nd daily LAX-GDL/PVR is being added.

So, in essence, I think you are correct, this is a new and yet unannounced change in the schedule...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3457 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 3):
Interesting, I don't recall seeing this announced, but looking at the previous schedule from a couple weeks ago to the schedule this week, it does appear a 2nd daily LAX-GDL/PVR is being added.

So, in essence, I think you are correct, this is a new and yet unannounced change in the schedule...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

This was discussed several weeks ago right after MX ceased operations. In addition to increasing LAX-GDL to 2X daily, MEX-GDL is also going to 2X daily. I could see LAX-GDL going to 3X daily if they can find the appropriate 73H to fly it.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 4):
MEX-GDL is also going to 2X daily

AS doesn't fly MEX-GDL... perhaps you mean LAX-MEX? The 2nd daily on LAX-MEX was announced, but there was no 2nd daily LAX-GDL/PVR announced. I think it may have been rumored, but no announcement was made. Again, looking at last week's schedule versus the schedule today, it is a new thing that was added into the schedule this week.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3382 times:
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Quoting laca773 (Reply 4):
I could see LAX-GDL going to 3X daily if they can find the appropriate 73H to fly it.

There has been speculation of LAX-MEX and LAX-GDL both going to 3X daily, although nothing has come of it so far.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3328 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
There has been speculation of LAX-MEX and LAX-GDL both going to 3X daily, although nothing has come of it so far

AS has great flexibility to what aircraft they can use on the LAX-GDL...it's not restricted to the 73H. I think even the 734's could make the LAX-GDL trip.

I was hoping AS would open a new Mexican destination like Monterrey...or maybe Culiacan or Aguascalientes. But that's stretching it.

I actually hope LAX-Loreto and LAX-La Paz goes mainline.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I actually hope LAX-Loreto and LAX-La Paz goes mainline.

Baja tourism has taken an economic hit. Fewer North Americans are coming here due to the perceived lack of security and violence. Acutally Baja is rather quiet. The big Loreto Bay project seems to be on hold or scaled back. I doubt AS will dedicate 737s at this time to La Paz y Loreto. When I flew to Loreto about 5 summers ago it was mainline.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I think even the 734's could make the LAX-GDL trip.

The 734 easily makes that trip. SEA-ANC is over 100 miles longer than LAX-GDL, which the 734s used to regularly do all the time.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 4):
I could see LAX-GDL going to 3X daily if they can find the appropriate 73H to fly it.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
West Coast-Mexico flights are Alaska's routes to lose if they jump on them. But they seem to be doing some additions despite their limited resources. Perhaps AS has decided not to retire some airplanes they had planned earlier in the year.

Three 734 leases were extended that were due to be returned by the end of this year.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2944 times:
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Quoting hatbutton (Reply 9):
Three 734 leases were extended that were due to be returned by the end of this year.

Sounds like things at AS are turning around a bit.

Good to see you here, Hatbutton! Haven't seen you in a little while.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2880 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 5):

AS doesn't fly MEX-GDL... perhaps you mean LAX-MEX? The 2nd daily on LAX-MEX was announced, but there was no 2nd daily LAX-GDL/PVR announced. I think it may have been rumored, but no announcement was made. Again, looking at last week's schedule versus the schedule today, it is a new thing that was added into the schedule this week.

Cheers!
Anthony

Thanks for correcting me, Anthony. I appreciate it.

To clear up all the confusion here's the link to AS' additional LAX & PVR service to begin in February.
http://airlineroute.net/2010/10/17/as-gdlpvr-feb11/#more-26051

LAX-GDL
AS 248 1615--->2117 0 73H Daily (Current redeye will continue to operate daily as well)
GDL-LAX
AS 249 2210--->2340 0 73H Daily (Current morning flight will continue to operate daily as well)


LAX-PVR
AS 254 0800--->1257 0 73H Daily (Current late morning departure continues daily as well)

PVR-LAX
AS 255 1347--->1459 0 73H Daily (Current late afternoon departure continues daily as well)


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
There has been speculation of LAX-MEX and LAX-GDL both going to 3X daily, although nothing has come of it so far.

I did a couple of simple searches to find the information as I did with my last posting in regards to LAX-GDL & PVR.

Here's the information regarding a second daily LAX-MEX. Link: http://airlineroute.net/2010/08/11/as-laxmex-oct10/#more-23657

LAX-MEX
AS 240 2330--->0500 0 73H Daily
MEX-LAX
AS 241 0630--->0830 0 73H Daily

** The new second daily nonstops are already in service as of 4 October 2010.**

I think AS could fly a 3X daily on both LAX-GDL/MEX easily. If they are flying there 73Hs on very tight schedules, they could utilize 739s to GDL as they have done before as a a/c sub and I believe they have sent the 739 to MEX as well.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 9):

The 734 can easily make this flight. But is an awful plane for the route. The plane has no issue's leaving LAX, it was getting under Max Landing Weight (121.0) before arriving in GDL. I worked the weight and balance on these flights for 1 1/2 years and if the load was full it's was an issue. And 90% of the time 20 bags or so would be left behind. The 738 on the other hand was perfect for the mission, as with most!

Quoting socalatc (Thread starter):

A second LAX-PVR is not a first. In the late 90's and up till '01 LAX-PVR would occasionally see 3 daily, with 2 daily SFO and 1 daily SEA and PDX,SJC 4-weekly. It would be great to see AS back to it's glory days in Mexico.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 13):

A second LAX-PVR is not a first. In the late 90's and up till '01 LAX-PVR would occasionally see 3 daily, with 2 daily SFO and 1 daily SEA and PDX,SJC 4-weekly. It would be great to see AS back to it's glory days in Mexico.

Agreed! We saw marked cutbacks in the LAX Mexico markets when the H1N1 flu hit as well as the horrible economy down turn resulted in a reduction in frequencies. LAX-PVR has always done well for AS. When MX ceased operations, it was the first time in I don't know how long, AS had the only daily flight to LAX! That there is remarkable. It's nice to see them bring back the regular, high season second frequency. Hopefully, we'll see AS keep it around when it slows down in the Spring & Summer seasons since there's not much else going there on a regular basis.
I do think when the Category II placed on the airlines of Mexico is corrected, we'll see DL/AM add a flight with AM using a 73G, and Volaris with a A319.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
Sounds like things at AS are turning around a bit.

Haha thanks.

Quoting as739x (Reply 13):
The 734 can easily make this flight. But is an awful plane for the route.

Unfortunately we don't have much of a choice. Not many new frames coming online anytime soon. So we are restricted to extending the leases on older aircraft as they come up. Since we can't fly the 734 to Hawaii, we need all the 73H's we can get for back up aircraft to support that operation.

Quoting as739x (Reply 13):
It would be great to see AS back to it's glory days in Mexico.

I agree. I think the rebounding of the economy and Mexicana's failure have allowed us to rethink Mexico as a good source of revenue again. It's just too bad we couldn't have predicted some of these events because we would have probably made sure we had the aircraft to make it work.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 15):

I'm not as connected to AS anymore obviously. Have you heard anything about hanging on to the 73G's a little longer?



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 16):

I'm not as connected to AS anymore obviously. Have you heard anything about hanging on to the 73G's a little longer?

This would be a very good idea. They have excellent range and can fly where the 734s can't as well as being good for longer, thin routes.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 16):
I'm not as connected to AS anymore obviously. Have you heard anything about hanging on to the 73G's a little longer?

As far as I've heard I don't think we are planning on extending any 73Gs. However, I also don't think any of these leases are coming up in the next 6 months, so it's not like they are near term decisions anyways.


User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

When does the second daily LAX-PVR start?

User currently offlinesocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 19):
When does the second daily LAX-PVR start?

Same day as the second LAX-GDL.. Feb 5th.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2496 times:
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Quoting hatbutton (Reply 15):
I agree. I think the rebounding of the economy and Mexicana's failure have allowed us to rethink Mexico as a good source of revenue again. It's just too bad we couldn't have predicted some of these events because we would have probably made sure we had the aircraft to make it work.

It's too bad AS would not be willing to lease other 734's or even 733's for a short term to meet the rising travel demand and take the 737 Next Gen's off the shorter routes like SEA-SMF or SEA-OAK and apply them where they are needed.

I know it's a lot harder than it seems to deal with aircraft.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
I know it's a lot harder than it seems to deal with aircraft.

Yeah my guess would be that the risk of adding Mexico frequencies is far greater than taking on short term leases. If those markets were a sure thing and had really high yields, then maybe. But my unsupported guess is that's not the case.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 21):

It's too bad AS would not be willing to lease other 734's or even 733's for a short term to meet the rising travel demand and take the 737 Next Gen's off the shorter routes like SEA-SMF or SEA-OAK and apply them where they are needed.

I know it's a lot harder than it seems to deal with aircraft.

AS never flew any 733s, just the 734s. Where would they any 734s from? I know US is still flying a lot of them on their PHL/CLT-Florida flights.

What AS/QX need is an a/c like the E75/E90 to take over these flights such as SMF/RNO-SEA. I know the chances of this ever happening are next to nil since they are getting rid of the CR7s and going with the DH8. I wonder what they are going to do with QX operations from the likes of ONT/BUR-PDX? The regulars on these flights are not going to be happy about having to take a DH8 which takes an additional 30 minutes to fly vs the CR7.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
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Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):
AS never flew any 733s, just the 734s. Where would they any 734s from? I know US is still flying a lot of them on their PHL/CLT-Florida flights.

Oh I know that AS never has flown the 733's, but I was just trying to guess what might be stored in the deserts. Are any of the ex-Alaska 734's still parked in AZ or CA?

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):
What AS/QX need is an a/c like the E75/E90 to take over these flights such as SMF/RNO-SEA. I know the chances of this ever happening are next to nil since they are getting rid of the CR7s and going with the DH8. I wonder what they are going to do with QX operations from the likes of ONT/BUR-PDX? The regulars on these flights are not going to be happy about having to take a DH8 which takes an additional 30 minutes to fly vs the CR7.

I still hope for AS to re-expand their mainline product throughout the west coast system.

I guess if there are further opportunities between US and Mexico, expanding existing service (anywhere) or open new markets in the near future (Hey! What about ITO, ha ha.), AS will figure out a way to find the resources to act upon an opportunity.


User currently offlinebayareablue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 18):
As far as I've heard I don't think we are planning on extending any 73Gs. However, I also don't think any of these leases are coming up in the next 6 months, so it's not like they are near term decisions anyways.

N648AS was just returned to the lessors and N649AS had it last revenue flights today, 10/19. All other 73G's are owned and not leased.


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