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Air France Updating Business Class  
User currently offlinealaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 908 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3831 times:


I didn't see anything about this even though they announced it about a month ago... strange that they are updating their business class but aren't putting much media attention on it... even more strange that they are keeping the same design.

my mother flew Air France Long-Haul business class on four flights this last summer (two on the A380) and after her trip she told me "oh strange, I thought you said you booked me in Business. I was put in "Affaires" which must have been premium economy... a bit better then Qantas' Y+ but I wouldn't pay the difference in the future."
She may have been a little tired but she's definitely flown business, first class, premium economy, and economy before and knows what to expect from each and thought Air France's seat and service was that of Premium Economy.

I'm surprised they didn't at least remove one row to give a bit more room

Here are links to the info:

Press Kit (PDF)

Short Summary:

Main Page with pictures and video's

"Air France continues to pursue its investment strategy by upgrading its Business offer for customers. As part of its commitment to constantly improve its customer travel experience, Air France will be introducing, by end-2010, a more comfortable seat for working, resting or enjoying time on board; a more varied choice of dishes and a host of new services throughout the trip"
"A seat providing additional comfort
The Air France Business class seat, whose fixed shell guarantees the passenger’s privacy, offers enhanced comfort thanks to different innovations including:

•a new structure comprising a lie-flat seat bed measuring over 2m in length and,
•a new fixed foot-rest,
•simpler and more practical controls,
•new storage space,
•a 15-inch (or 38 cm) wide screen in 16:9 format."

Why isn't this on their main customer site? (they use to have a little link to it at the top right a week ago but I believe it's gone now)

Hope you find this interesting.
All the best,

~~Kyle H.

to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

I am sure I remember reading about this development on this site some weeks ago.

Really it's nothing to get excited about. All AF has done is to refresh the existing business class product and, despite AF's claims of the new seats being "lie-flat beds", they are actually angled lie-flat seats.

AF and KL lag behind the likes of BA, VS and now LX in standards of long-haul business class seating.

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 4283 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting alaskaqantas (Thread starter):
a new structure comprising a lie-flat seat bed measuring over 2m in length and,

Just hate it when they say that, Flat is Flat, NOT at an angle.A ball would not roll down on a flat surface.
If the world is flat there would be no angle. 

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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1994 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

There was a thread about this a few days ago. You should find it using the search engine. To come back to your mother's comment : AF J class is may be not the best in the world (if you compare to Asian carriers or maybe BA) but on-par or superior to many other carriers. So to think it is Y+, sorry but your mother probably had drink too much champagne in the lounge before the flight  Wink. I'm sorry she did not enjoy her flights but the day you will have Y+ products like this, no or very few people will fly J or F anymore...  

[Edited 2010-10-17 13:11:14]

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