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User currently offlineck8msp From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

I looked but it seems like the last Twin Cities thread has been archived.

Still DC-9 Country! Minnesota Aviation Thread 11 (by Af773atmsp Aug 4 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4507523&searchid=4631512&s=twin+cities#menu152

The following article appeared in the Minneapolis Star Tribune this weekend and I thought it would be a good opportunity to start another thread. Sorry I do not have a clever name.

New, improved MSP may need to look beyond Delta
http://www.startribune.com/business/...s:DCiU1OiP:DiiUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr

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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

I read that article and thought about Delta's commitment to MSP. Obviously MSP is an important hub in terms of domestic flights. With the Saabs retiring that will cut some of the domestic flights (not the most important flights to MSP but still). I think the airport commission really needs to look at other carriers to expand in MSP, which would either encourage Delta to expand and compete, or encourage Delta to move out. I'm pretty sure Delta wants to keep the hub at MSP, and we won't turn out like STL or PIT.


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Still DC-9 country.
I was in SMF this morning and say the DL flight to MSP pulling out. It was an MD-80. NW used to fly an Airbus on this route.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

the reader comments on that article always make me laugh. MSP as large hub for Delta is not going anywhere, its really the only other viable hub in the upper midwest after ORD, and with AA closing down its AA STL hub helps it out even more. DL pulling out of MSP would leave a glaring hole in its route network, SLC is too far west, and DTW too far east (DTW really only replaces CVG anyways). DL at MSP is still bustling, MSP has a good economy, a good number for Fortune 500's and a relatively high income population, dont know why people would be worried about its status or becoming the next PIT. PIT was too close to PHL for US, as was STL to ORD for AA.

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 3):
the reader comments on that article always make me laugh. MSP as large hub for Delta is not going anywhere, its really the only other viable hub in the upper midwest after ORD, and with AA closing down its AA STL hub helps it out even more. DL pulling out of MSP would leave a glaring hole in its route network, SLC is too far west, and DTW too far east (DTW really only replaces CVG anyways). DL at MSP is still bustling, MSP has a good economy, a good number for Fortune 500's and a relatively high income population, dont know why people would be worried about its status or becoming the next PIT. PIT was too close to PHL for US, as was STL to ORD for AA.

That was a pretty poorly researched article. US increases at MSP since 2005 are mainly due to the HP merger duh. I never reader comments because they are always poorly informed and reflect a tendency to treat air travel like it is some sort of utility or public good. Always makes me shake my head.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 4):
That was a pretty poorly researched article. US increases at MSP since 2005 are mainly due to the HP merger duh. I never reader comments because they are always poorly informed and reflect a tendency to treat air travel like it is some sort of utility or public good. Always makes me shake my head.

very true, must have been a slow news day in the Twin Cities  

I shake my head too on the reader comments, they are always good for a laugh, but those people are so uninformed.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7805 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

MSP is a huge bright spot for DL. They would be foolish to trim it down. They have the market on lockdown up there.


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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

I can't see DL go away anytime soon. That would be an awful lot of connecting traffic to stuff through DTW, JFK, ATL and those stations aren't exactly convenient for the midwest (DTW might be).

Interesting to note the article mentions WN on track for 1M passengers to/from MSP this year. Not too bad, anyone know if it is profitable? Any chance of more destinations out of MSP for WN?


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

I read that article too, and I couldn't agree more. The MAC needs to look beyond Delta. They're not bringing it. It's hard to imagine that an airport with the geographic, economic, and population advantages of MSP is seeing long-term declining passenger counts and still limited trans-ocean international traffic. MSP has little geographic competition. Minnesota's economy is doing quite well. And it's the 16th largest metro area with a steadily increasing population. I like how Delta talks about increasing numbers of flights. Yeah, but the passenger counts are still going down. That's what matters. Come on, MAC, you aren't dealing with the pre-bankruptcy Northwest. This is the post-BK Delta, and it's not the answer to advancing your great airport. So time to stiffen up and look for carriers that will. Don't let Delta fatten up their wallets with great yields at the expense of your local passengers.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 4):
US increases at MSP since 2005 are mainly due to the HP merger duh.

That was the only thing I found that could have been clarified. But mainline US Airways 2005 vs. 2010 sees another CLT flight and the addition of PHL. Even though MSP lost the HP flights from LAS, US has still gained at MSP. Small beans to throw away the article on just that.


User currently offlinepremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

Looks like MSP-HNL is ending in Feb. This is a shock and disappointment to me!


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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 9):
Looks like MSP-HNL is ending in Feb. This is a shock and disappointment to me!

Hmm. Doesnt sound right esp when that is when everyone is leaving the frozen wasteland... Remeber MSP HNL only runs 3x a week now, and the other out of Detroit..



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 9):
Looks like MSP-HNL is ending in Feb. This is a shock and disappointment to me!

Yikes, more news that quietly came about. I warned people that it may happen. Sadly I'm not surprised. That's DL for you. Yet another reason for the MAC to wake up.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 9):
Looks like MSP-HNL is ending in Feb. This is a shock and disappointment to me!
Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 10):

Hmm. Doesnt sound right esp when that is when everyone is leaving the frozen wasteland... Remeber MSP HNL only runs 3x a week now, and the other out of Detroit..
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 11):

Yikes, more news that quietly came about. I warned people that it may happen. Sadly I'm not surprised. That's DL for you. Yet another reason for the MAC to wake up.

Considering that DL is dropping DTW-HNL, I highly doubt that MSP-HNL is also suddenly ending. Where are you seeing that MSP-HNL is ending? And MSPNWA, you've been doom and gloom ever since the merger, although you fail to recognize that DL has actually increased flights here since the merger. Speaking of MAC, if they tell DL to take a hike does anyone honestly believe that someone else is gonna come in and take their place? Honestly...

Jeremy


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6114 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
Considering that DL is dropping DTW-HNL, I highly doubt that MSP-HNL is also suddenly ending. Where are you seeing that MSP-HNL is ending? And MSPNWA, you've been doom and gloom ever since the merger, although you fail to recognize that DL has actually increased flights here since the merger. Speaking of MAC, if they tell DL to take a hike does anyone honestly believe that someone else is gonna come in and take their place? Honestly...

February 21st is the last flight. It's gone after that, and I checked into the summer. We'll see if it comes back, but I'm not holding my breath. It's Hawaii and Delta. That's not a good combo for consumers.

Read reply 8 again. I mention the increased flights this month YoY, and how it isn't a good thing. I wasn't negative until summer 2009. I thought it could go either way at that point. Since then I've seen nothing to indicate that the acquisition was a good thing for MSP and the state of Minnesota. The numbers are backing me up so far. The MAC doesn't need to tell DL to take a hike. They just need to stop hitching their gift wagon to a force that isn't pulling in their direction.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 13):

Read reply 8 again. I mention the increased flights this month YoY, and how it isn't a good thing. I wasn't negative until summer 2009. I thought it could go either way at that point. Since then I've seen nothing to indicate that the acquisition was a good thing for MSP and the state of Minnesota. The numbers are backing me up so far. The MAC doesn't need to tell DL to take a hike. They just need to stop hitching their gift wagon to a force that isn't pulling in their direction.

Unfortunately the major airlines, outside of megahubs like DFW, IAH, CLT, and ATL, aren't really in growth mode. ORD, DEN, MSP, DTW, CVG, MEM, CLE and nearly every other large fortress hub has taken a hit over the last few years. Unfortunately the market simply isn't growing. Whilst DL has cut some service from MSP, there's absolutely zero indication that MSP is going anywhere as a hub; I still contend that having 500+ flights a day to over 130 cities worldwide, including soon-to-be daily service to major international destinations of MEX, NRT, London, Paris, and to a lesser extent AMS, is pretty darn good for the 16th largest metro area in the country.

And I'm surprised about MSP-HNL; DL really is cutting Hawaii deep, following trends of AA and others. Yields must be horrendous.

Jeremy


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 14):
Unfortunately the major airlines, outside of megahubs like DFW, IAH, CLT, and ATL, aren't really in growth mode. ORD, DEN, MSP, DTW, CVG, MEM, CLE and nearly every other large fortress hub has taken a hit over the last few years. Unfortunately the market simply isn't growing. Whilst DL has cut some service from MSP, there's absolutely zero indication that MSP is going anywhere as a hub; I still contend that having 500+ flights a day to over 130 cities worldwide, including soon-to-be daily service to major international destinations of MEX, NRT, London, Paris, and to a lesser extent AMS, is pretty darn good for the 16th largest metro area in the country.

It's good, but it's not great. Don't you want great? I certainly do. Through the first four months of this year ORD and DEN saw increased passenger counts. Why is MSP still continuing the other way, even through a massive recession? The economy is strong. The population is growing. O&D traffic and yields are strong. The point isn't whether or not the DL hub remains. The point is whether or not Delta is good for MSP.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 14):
Yields must be horrendous.

I can't see how they would be. MSP-HNL has always commanded a relative premium. For years I've never seen round trip tickets go less than for around $800. And indeed, I'm checking random dates till February and can't find anything under $925 RT. Most are well over $1,000! Although first is usually around $2,000, the loads are strong there too. If anything Delta is asking too much. SLC-HNL is commonly priced around $600-650 and is daily. ATL-HNL is still around $800 in JAN/FEB. MSP is the most expensive of the three right now and usually has strong loads. Doesn't make sense. I can't see how those fares and a popular FF route isn't enough positives to keep MSP-HNL.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 2):
I was in SMF this morning and say the DL flight to MSP pulling out. It was an MD-80. NW used to fly an Airbus on this route.




You do realize that the MD-80 and the Airbus are just about the same size don't you?


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Wow, I can't believe it. But according to this article the MSP-HNL route struggled this year:
http://www.mspspotters.net/2010/10/1...top-minneapolis-to-honolulu-route/

If Delta doesn't restart MSP-HNL, this sounds like a great opportunity for SY, even if they need to stop for fuel. I'm sure a lot of people would take SY to HNL.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7805 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

One of these days I would love to see MSP-ICN.


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User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5878 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 17):
If Delta doesn't restart MSP-HNL, this sounds like a great opportunity for SY, even if they need to stop for fuel. I'm sure a lot of people would take SY to HNL.

Well...Strictly from the rumor mill, but I did hear that a few people inside SY saying that they had heard that SY was possibly looking into some bigger aircraft, mainly for the MAC flights. But this could be another reason to get a larger aircraft, for HNL! Again, just a rumor, but their are a good number of 757s on the market, and SY has had past experience operating big aircraft when they had the 10s around. But anyway, i'll believe it when I see it. For now though, MSP-LAX-HNL might be a winner!

Back on topic though, I am very sad to see this flight go. It's almost criminal that we loose HNL service, and I hate to think what might be next? If it is only seasonal, It will not be that bad, but if it is gone for good, then I have lost that much more faith in DL and MSP!



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 13):
It's Hawaii and Delta. That's not a good combo for consumers.
Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 17):
the MSP-HNL route struggled this year

Maybe "not a good combo" for Delta as well? ...perhaps more "profitable" for consumers using FF miles than it is for Delta? Sorry to be the messenger here... When it comes to deciding which routes to keep or drop, airlines can ill afford to always consider consumer benefit first and foremost and only... to the point of saying, in effect, "to h*** with the bottom line."

Just playing devil's advocate.


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 5819 times:

Maybe some good news - on a much smaller scale, though. MSP - TOL 2x Daily CRJs operated by Mesaba starts October 31st. I just hope we can get the service to work. I really liked flying to/from MSP last month and would like to do it more in the future.

User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 20):
Maybe "not a good combo" for Delta as well? ...perhaps more "profitable" for consumers using FF miles than it is for Delta? Sorry to be the messenger here... When it comes to deciding which routes to keep or drop, airlines can ill afford to always consider consumer benefit first and foremost and only... to the point of saying, in effect, "to h*** with the bottom line."

This all maybe true but I remember when HP had an FF program and it was lagging and then HP added Hawaii the membership went through the roof. I think dropping HNL will make some FFs less enthusiastic about flying DL.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 22):
I think dropping HNL will make some FFs less enthusiastic about flying DL.




DL will still have several flights a day to HNL for the FFs to use and they can't take another airline non stop out of MSP can they? When HP added Hawaii service, it was their first flights to the islands.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

AA at one point dropped ORD - HNL so I guess anything is possible and not surprising that DL could drop MSP - HNL.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 14):
having 500+ flights a day to over 130 cities worldwide, including soon-to-be daily service to major international destinations of MEX, NRT, London, Paris, and to a lesser extent AMS, is pretty darn good for the 16th largest metro area in the country

I agree, and I bet STL, CVG, PIT etc would kill to have even half of that traffic back. MSP is still strong for DL.


25 DeltAirlines : There is still plenty of connectivity via the Atlanta and Salt Lake hubs for one-stop service to Hawaii. Many cities except smaller cities that might
26 jonstock : Delta is (as of February, was) the only current Airline flying non-stop out of MSP to HNL.
27 bobnwa : Exactly, so DL will not be losing any passengers to another carriers non-stop MSP-HNL.
28 Post contains images CBPhoto : Yes, but now that we are loosing the non-stop service on Delta, unless you are a medallion member, what is the advantage of choosing Delta? Now we wi
29 Post contains images acidradio : In my heart I wish we could pull off more "exotic" service - more destinations in Europe/Asia/Mexico/Central and South America served from MSP. And t
30 usflyer msp : I think that is a bit harsh. MSP has similar, if not more, international flights than other US cities that are around its size. They just happen to a
31 CBPhoto : I agree...but the difference between MSP and all of the other cities you listed, is the airlines that serve them. DL is the only airline with Trans A
32 af773atmsp : I guess you could add SY's MSP-STN service to the list of TATL service at MSP, even though there is a fuel stop, its only once weekly, and only in the
33 MSPNWA : Why are STL, CLE, and CVG always thrown into the mix? MSP is larger, growing faster (PIT and CLE are losing pop.), and has a much better economy than
34 bobnwa : Before DL, MSP was a"the mercy" of NW and that seem to work out ok for trans-atlantic service for many years. There are no restraints I am aware of p
35 Post contains images PanAm788 : His point was that MSP is still DC-9 country even with the retirement of the -30s. DC-9-80s are here to stay . People need to stop freaking out about
36 Post contains images usflyer msp : If a 763 could fly to Asia from MSP and MSP had quadruple the Asian population it has, you would see more flights from DL (and other carriers) just l
37 MSPNWA : People will stop freaking out about MSP when it's back to its former self. I venture to guess that MSP-HNL is the most iconic domestic MSP route. It
38 ck8msp : I know it has been discussed in other threads but UA announced new service to IAD today. Not sure of frequency or equipment.
39 PGNCS : So if I understand the suggestion, you want the MAC to, in effect, make DL grow at MSP even if it is less profitable for them to do so, or alternatel
40 MSPNWA : Gosh, what is with the general apathy of what MSP doesn't have? If you read this thread, you'd think MSP was JFK and doesn't need or deserve anything
41 tys777 : DTW? DL has better hubs to serve the purpose of connecting people to International flights than MSP. Hasn't DL increased the amount of International
42 usflyer msp : Its not apathy...its realism. MSP could support another flight or two to Asia on a 787 sized aircraft. It will happen within the next five years or s
43 MSPNWA : I'd swear that this is a DL thread, not an MSP thread. Are we satisfied that MSP has seen no new trans-ocean service since the merger? I believe every
44 af773atmsp : What I'm saying is the MAC should encourage airlines to serve or expand operations at MSP to bring some competition. The MAC was happy to see WN begi
45 Post contains images MSPNWA : No, you're not being "real" on Europe. How do you know we're maxed out when the best evidence we can find shows we're not? That would be less than 2.
46 Post contains images KGRB : I love Minneapolis and its airport, but it's been the same thing for years... people that live there bitch and moan about their hometown airline, what
47 Post contains images CBPhoto : Twice daily flights will begin April 3, 2011. Flights will be flown by 70-seat Embraer E-170 aircraft operated by Shuttle America. UA 7515 IAD 08:30
48 usflyer msp : What is this evidence? We have more service to Europe than every airport in the midwest other DTW and ORD and service patterns similar to or greater
49 msp747 : It's sad MSP-HNL is going away next year, but I don't believe it will stay that way for good. I think the issue right now is equipment. You can't fly
50 bjorn14 : Yes, and we are now talking 2nd and 3rd generations and with no real easy connections to HAN or SGN. I would also speculate no real desire to return
51 bobnwa : I believe that MAC has been doing that for many years, just like the majority of airport authorities.
52 WA707atMSP : I'll go out on a limb and say that MSP-HNL would be a logical Hawaiian Airlines A330 route. Hawaiian's costs are lower than DL's, and the two airlines
53 Post contains images bjorn14 : Technically, MSP is west of the of Mississippi.
54 af773atmsp : I'm happy to see UA operating E170 aircraft on this new route unlike the last time they tried IAD-MSP, which was with a CRJ. I don't see how anyone c
55 msp747 : I don't think they ignored it. In fact, think they embraced it. When AS first arrived in the Twin Cities, it went out of the E concourse with America
56 msp747 : Honestly, I don't think a whole lot has changed since the merger. I mean some flights that were A320's are now CRJ's (MSP-BOI is a good example). But
57 Post contains images sunking737 : Technically Minneapolis is and St. Paul is East, but a small corner of Minneapolis is East of the Mississippi. U of M is part in Mpls and STP.
58 WA707atMSP : Yes, but the airport is west of the River. My bad.
59 bobnwa : I don't believe I said that in reply 51.
60 Post contains links af773atmsp : Senators Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken are hoping the DOT will grant SY the DCA slots. http://bloomington.kstp.com/content/new-option-get-nations-capit
61 Coronado : AS flight is a Delta Code share. Cant get much tighter than that other than formally bringing AS into skyteam or merging! I think right now DL is simp
62 msp747 : Sorry bobnwa, I just quoted a section of text and it credited it to you. It was actually WA707atMSP, as you'll see in Reply 52. Don't know why the sy
63 af773atmsp : Has anyone seen Sun Country's Corsairfly 737-800 hybrid paint scheme? I saw it today while I was spotting and got some pictures of it. Is Corsairfly l
64 Continental : I've seen it a few times over the last few days. I don't think it's Corsair though. It's probably something like TUIfly.
65 af773atmsp : Looking through the photo search it's an ex-Sun Country 737 that had the reg. N811SY, now OO-JAA, operated by Jetairfly (TUI Airlines Belgium). I gue
66 sunking737 : SY does lease planes from HV in the past. Maybe it was an A/C that they leased out to them. IIRC they are looking for more A/C in the long run.
67 Post contains links af773atmsp : Here is a video of my spotting on 10/22: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6asRWO6B2Y I looked on Flight Aware to see where the Vision Airlines 737 came
68 ck8msp : Anyone get a chance to see AF1 parked at MSP on Saturday? Any pictures?
69 MNMncrcnwjr : There is a LIH - LAX - MSP run currently on a 753.. I booked a K fare and a FF FC ticket to HNL 1st week in Oct for a Mid Nov departure .. ALL NS fro
70 FL787 : I saw AF1 land and takeoff. Very cool. He used every inch of 12L on takeoff.
71 af773atmsp : Anybody see a black hawk helicopter around Minneapolis? I heard it flying over my school and people were saying it was a black hawk.
72 KL642 : I think the Vision Airlines aircraft was for the Nittany Lions.
73 Continental : Anybody know why there was a 744 operating MSP-LAX yesterday?
74 CBPhoto : Well..I honestly did not see that one, but I see black hawks almost every other day flying around. They are with the Army national guard and I believ
75 MSPNWA : I reckon it was a positioning flight for the up-gauge of LAX-NRT back to a 744.
76 ck8msp : What is the impact on UA/CO merger at MSP? Will there be a need to move gates/ticket counters or are they close together? Will this merger make the ne
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