NAS738 From Norway, joined Aug 2010, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16405 times:
From what I read in Norwegian news papers, the French authorities have told all carriers to cancel 30% of their total flights to France. Not only Paris, as the strike is supposed to escalate tomorrow and include ATC in some way. They've also said that if carriers does not comply they will do it for them.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11974 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15934 times:
So this would be why I saw an AF 332 land at BCN earlier and just park up by T2 without receiving any medical attendance or firetrucks. Must be one of the African or South American flights dropping in for extra fuel.
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exFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15716 times:
The reports I've seen today are emphasizing that the French request for service reduction has more to do with possible ATC or wildcat fueler strikes, or protesters at airports, than a shortage of jet fuel right now. There are recommendations that international flights presume they may not be able to refuel in France and either have enough fuel on arrival to make it to their destination or plan on a refueling stop en route, but that could have as much to do with airport fuel worker strikes as an actual fuel shortage.
Apparently the fuel shortage is hitting motor fuel worse, with about 1/3rd of shopping centre stations (which sell about 60% of France's car fuel, according to the Telegraph) either completely dry or out of either gasoline or diesel at this point.
If international flights start topping up before arrival in France or en route, is there a possibility of spot shortages elsewhere? I'd think that these contingency plans will be spread out enough to make that unlikely, but there could be problems elsewhere in Europe - with France's refining capacity pretty much off-line, the rest of Europe will have to pick up the slack...I have no idea if the rest of Europe has excess refining capacity available.
Just to add a little more stress, Eurostar workers in Belgium went on a 24-hour strike and disrupted London-Brussels service, although London-Paris Eurostar service is unaffected as of now.
goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1923 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15418 times:
Quoting exFATboy (Reply 5): Just to add a little more stress, Eurostar workers in Belgium went on a 24-hour strike and disrupted London-Brussels service, although London-Paris Eurostar service is unaffected as of now.
Yes and you can also add no Thalys trains today between both Paris & London to Brussels due to a strike in Belgium
Bralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15043 times:
Quoting goldorak (Reply 6): Yes and you can also add no Thalys trains today between both Paris & London to Brussels due to a strike in Belgium
There was a national strike with the Belgian Railways (NMBS/SNCB) today, no trains drove out today (ok, maybe a few) which let to problems on the highways today. The strike of the railroad was stopped tonight at 22h00CET so as of tonight.tommorow everything should run normal.
blueflyer From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jan 2006, 4559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14317 times:
Normal fuel delivery (by pipeline) resumed for both ORY and CDG over the week-end. My understanding is there's enough fuel to go around but there aren't enough refuellers.
Fuel-wise, the most critical airport is NTE. It is fed by tanker trucks, not a pipeline, and ran out, briefly, on Friday, causing the cancellation of a few flights. Deliveries have resumed, but the airport isn't getting enough to rebuild its reserves, I am told, so any further disruption in deliveries could cause the airport's fuel farm to run out again.
Tuesday's going to be hellish, however. Everyone and their brother on strike, and quite likely several choke points set up by protesters on the various airport access roads.
Is it common traffic there ? (apart from cargo planes and smaller PAX ones).
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11): Correct me if I'm wrong, the main issue of the strike is raising the retirement age from 60 to 62? Please note I'm asking.
There are several issues, it's difficult to know which one is the "main". For starters 60/62 is an age at which you can retire, but depending on you career you can end up with a big discount on your pension, so in practice there is another age, 65, where you have a full pension no matter what. This age is also changed to 67, so for people who didn't work all their life (because of long education, unemployment, raising kids, long illness, etc.), that's the new limit.
Then, each corporation and each person has its own reasons on top of it, for the oil industry closure of refineries, for ATC change to the European ATC, for 70% of the population, they don't like Sarkozy, for young people, fear of unemployment, etc.
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Ammunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13103 times:
Business as usual in France I see , it must get really boring seeing everyone else in Europe have absurdly mundane days, if only we knew what we were missing perhaps? lol
I do admire the fact that the French stand up for what they believe in, we are less inclined to protest here. I just wish it didn't cause so much inconvenience, I got caught up in the strikes last month but was accomodated to an acceptable standard (KLM safety net). The government must wake up every day thinking who can we piss off today, or schedule in their policy announcements to even out the disruption over the course of the month/year. I wish they could just do it all in a particular month (February), the rest of Europe and the world would at least have some consistency
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Lufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11884 times:
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 16): So is CDG saving fuel for foreign carriers or what ? If not, where are the refuel stops
Carriers with "substantial" operations into France (read European carriers and possibly some American carriers) have been asked directly by the French government to cut flight by 30%. On top of this, all carriers have been warned that even if they get to their destination, they may not be able to get back off the ground because of fresh airport ground strikes, atc strikes and petrol driver strikes. One of my good industry friend has told me that some carriers are mulling diverting flights to GVA, BRU, LUX and even FRA and anywhere else they can, and arranging bus service from there so that they don't risk having planes stuck on the ground
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AustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9829 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11): Correct me if I'm wrong, the main issue of the strike is raising the retirement age from 60 to 62?
From 60 to 62 in case you have already worked 41 years at that time. Otherwise you will have some deductions from your pension. Standard retirement age (regardless of working time) is planned to increase from 65 to 67 years.
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
downtown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9811 times:
I'm surprised to see flights take off from CDG to land into BVA for refueling, that's just 32nm.
Also, why is Air France not taking advantage of the other airlines in Skyteam?
I would expect to see northbound (Scandinavia, and US/Canada) traffic landing into AMS for refueling instead of MAN/LHR/DUS/CPH. Seems like southbound traffic (South America, Africa) are landing into BCN/MAD where Air Europa may have ground staff and lower fuel prices agreed.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7634 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8424 times:
Quoting downtown273 (Reply 20): I would expect to see northbound (Scandinavia, and US/Canada) traffic landing into AMS
Isn't AMS restriced in total movements allowed? It's not like these are weather/medical/tech diversions which I would hope wouldn't be part of any quota but are being planned with flightplans filed as CDG-wherever-ultimate destination.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 9204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7996 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 15): Well, around now is usually high in protests, because while everybody is on the beach in July/August, the government tries to pass the most controversial bills, so in September/October it backfires.
Maybe the solution is to reduce vacation time then so someone is watching the government in July/August
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 19): From 60 to 62 in case you have already worked 41 years at that time. Otherwise you will have some deductions from your pension. Standard retirement age (regardless of working time) is planned to increase from 65 to 67 years.
Which is more than acceptable since people are living longer. These strikes are just ignorant. If you live longer you either retire later or receive less. It's simple math. The french want to have their cake and eat it too. Wouldn't that be nice
: Why would they need extra fuel anyways? Surely they have enough to get to paris? and if they're fueling for the next longhaul flight then wouldn't th
: It might be that wherever that aircraft was refulled on it's previous sector, there was enough uplifted to operate CDG-BCN with reserves and so able
: So it looks like these flights are stopping to refuel at nearby airports while outbound from CDG. Does this mean that planes are leaving the other end
: Le Monde had an interesting article saying that a moral contract between the French citizenry and its political class was broken, hence the protests.
: Quoting lhr380 (Reply 21): How would they take advantage of other Skyteam carriers, all airlines will be having some sort of problem heading into and
: 32nm can be enough to overfly a strike or a road block ! It entirely depends of how much money is put on the pension budget. Quite a lot of money is