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Delta To Resume BDL-AMS In The Future?  
User currently offlineboeing71234567 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

Hello,
I have been interested Bradley International Airport (KBDL) for quite some time now. Distinctly, I remember when Northwest airlines used to operate out of Bradley, they would fly B757-200's to Amsterdam-Schipol. As far as I remember, the service started in late 2007 to early 2008. The service ended abruptly during the economic crisis, but was going to resume in the early summer 2009. The day it was scheduled to resume, it never had. At this time, of course, Northwest had been merging with Delta, and was pretty much complete. They said to have ended it because of more economical issues, but said nothing further about it. Has anyone heard of its restart at any time in the future or even a rumor or idea of it? It is not said on Delta's website or any forum or site I can find on the web. I even called Delta, and they remained silent about it. Does anyone have any information on the resumption of this flight or any other international plans for Bradley? I would really like to see this flight out there again as many have found great convenience in the flight, and it was enjoyable to fly and watch.

Thanks

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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Total speculation on my part... but I would guess at this point BDL's most likely option for Europe service on DL would be a 5x weekly 752 to CDG, similar to what they do in PIT.

Beyond that, I think BDL's most likely Europe service in the near future is AA to LHR. I could actually see that happening before DL tries something again.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 1):
Total speculation on my part... but I would guess at this point BDL's most likely option for Europe service on DL would be a 5x weekly 752 to CDG, similar to what they do in PIT.

Actually there are more business ties in the area to the Netherlands rather than Paris, I wouldn't be surprised if BDL did in fact return one day, also AMS is larger than CDG for Delta.



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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1908 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 1):
Beyond that, I think BDL's most likely Europe service in the near future is AA to LHR. I could actually see that happening before DL tries something again.

     
London would be the most viable market from BDL with the largest O&D, I could definitely see this happening on a 757.


User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9337 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

i'd be surprised to see American do international service from Bradley to Europe before Delta.

Delta is the stronger carrier here, by far. Delta also has a flight to JFK timed to connect to European departures. most of Fairfield County would just drive to Kennedy Airport anyway.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

CDG makes the most sense for BDL on Delta

AMS is too tourism and connection dependent

LHR is strong O&D but lacks feed (esp since feed at BDL is already minimal)

CDG offers a healthy balance of both. Makes way more sense.


User currently offlinerwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
AMS is too tourism and connection dependent

May have less O&D than CDG, but DL manages to be successful with PDX and MEM to AMS (neither city has service to CDG).


User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4662 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5668 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
AMS is too tourism and connection dependent

How well do you know the BDL market? It has been widely known that AMS has the business connections

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
CDG offers a healthy balance of both. Makes way more sense.

BDL-Europe would need to be largely O&D, as non-stops with more desirable schedules and aircraft are located 2 hours away in either direction. JFK has a nonstop to pretty much any city that people would be connecting to.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
LHR is strong O&D but lacks feed (esp since feed at BDL is already minimal)

This would be a no-brainer if AA was not a fraction of their former self at BDL. Would FF's break allegiance to fly on AA or would they use JFK or BOS (remember DL is proposing BOS-LHR).



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User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

I am a loyal DL flier. The one big gripe that I have with my airline of choice is the starting and stopping of routes. When it comes to BDL and others I am sure it seems that not enough time is given for a route to develop. And when an airline gets a reputation of pulling flights after only a few months it folks may not want to make a booking on that particular flight. The thinking is that It will get yanked and they will be rebooked. If DL does decide to make another go at it then need to commit for at least a year. If BDL wants to give an incentive for a flight it should be done only on a reimbursement basis after a certain time has passed.

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 7):
How well do you know the BDL market? It has been widely known that AMS has the business connections

More than Paris ?

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 7):
BDL-Europe would need to be largely O&D, as non-stops with more desirable schedules and aircraft are located 2 hours away in either direction. JFK has a nonstop to pretty much any city that people would be connecting to.

If I were a business pax, i wouldn't wanna have to fly into JFK/BOS, clear customs there, and either drive 2 hours home or deal with a forever- delayed RJ flight. And if u're talking O&D, I can't really picture any realistic scenario in which AMS provides more O&D than CDG (unless Shell, Philips, or ING has a huge branch in BDL).


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
CDG makes the most sense for BDL on Delta

AMS is too tourism and connection dependent

Well connection wise then AMS is better for DL and as well as direct O&D for the companies in that region of the US.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 9):
More than Paris ?

For the area yes, there are companies in that part of the country that have more offices in the Netherlands.



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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 7):
JFK has a nonstop to pretty much any city that people would be connecting to.

Yes, but... that involves going to JFK. I would much rather connect in AMS, even if that meant overnight on a 757.
Plus, there are plenty of places in Africa and India, plus small cities in Europe, without nonstops from JFK that you can get to from AMS.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5372 times:
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Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 7):
BDL-Europe would need to be largely O&D, as non-stops with more desirable schedules and aircraft are located 2 hours away in either direction. JFK has a nonstop to pretty much any city that people would be connecting to.

Very true. But if you are doing business close to BDL it would be so much easier to fly from. BDL is a nice sized airport. Not big and confusing like JFK. Not to mention it is much easier to get to with traffic not being such a worry. Plus if you are doing business in Hartford you can pretty much do a full day and grab a shuttle to the aiport at 330 for a 530 flight! I'd prefer that over leaving at lunch time to drive down to JFK then go through that whole mess.
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User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 12):
Plus if you are doing business in Hartford you can pretty much do a full day and grab a shuttle to the aiport at 330 for a 530 flight!

You could probably park at 430 and still have time to grab a cocktail!


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 6):
May have less O&D than CDG, but DL manages to be successful with PDX and MEM to AMS (neither city has service to CDG).

Yes but CDG has also PHL, PIT, SLC, CVG and MIA that AMS doesn't have. So...  


User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4662 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 12):
I'd prefer that over leaving at lunch time to drive down to JFK then go through that whole mess.
Blue

The issue is, how many business travelers have a set time versus how many want mutiple options or a better product than a 757 (i.e lie-flat). Its easy to see why its convenient to use a local airport but it also explains why the service always teters on the verge of existance. Yet another reason why AA may struggle with LHR, DL can drop the flight in the off season or on certain days of the week and still feed through JFK.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Didn't DL approach BDL a couple of months ago regarding BDL-CDG, and DL was willing to fly it but BDL did not want to pay?


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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4662 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 16):
Didn't DL approach BDL a couple of months ago regarding BDL-CDG, and DL was willing to fly it but BDL did not want to pay?

I believe they wanted a revenue guarantee or subsidy.... this was about a year after BDL hyped up the return of AMS which never came to fruition, so you can understand where the airport was coming from.



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9337 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

part of the reason of saying no to a subsidy or guarantee .... Governor Rell budget cuts.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 17):
this was about a year after BDL hyped up the return of AMS which never came to fruition, so you can understand where the airport was coming from.

Oh I completly understand.

Let see, DL just ended BDL-LAX(AGAIN), and BDL-LAS is ending soon...



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9337 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):

people here would rather go to Florida. let Southwest tie up a plane flying all day between Las Vegas and Hartford.

Delta begins nonstops to Washington National on the 31st.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 2):
also AMS is larger than CDG for Delta.

Well, careful there! KL-AF-DL are a joint venture, so where DL alone is the biggest does not matter. A very rough guess would be to say that AMS and CDG are about equal with KL-AF-DL combined.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
AMS is too tourism and connection dependent

Well, what do you think the BDL flyers are looking for? If it's their only t-atl flight (and it is), do you think that most pax are going to go to either Amsterdam or Paris? No, presumably, most of them will be connecting, and both CDG and AMS are major hubs and will serve that purpose fine. Now, it comes to which cities AF/KL serves from only one hub, and which ones of these cities are the most important for the BDL market. And DL has market analysts to figure this out if they need.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 6):
May have less O&D than CDG, but DL manages to be successful with PDX and MEM to AMS (neither city has service to CDG).

MSP used to be in that situation until recently too. SLC and CVG (is that one still there?), however have CDG service only.



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User currently offlineboeing71234567 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Interesting. If Delta does decide to fly more international flights out of Bradley, does anyone know when it could happen? or is the issue still in the rumor stage?

User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Well technically when DL called off the resumption of AMS service they only "suspended" it. Whatever and ever that truly meant!

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