enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6157 posts, RR: 12 Posted (2 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 9339 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
Flights are daily except as noted "/wk" which means per week.
ABE-MDT 2>10/WK means a reduction from 2 daily flights to 10 flights per week which is about 1.5 flights
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1922 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9240 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
What about the equipment types? Did they upgrade the existing flights to larger aircraft then?
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6251 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9205 times:
CVG flight increases (albeit on hub-to-hub routes)? I'm surprised that a CVG route or two wasn't cut this week.
The ATL-MKE cuts aren't odd: F9 dropped ATL-MKE a while back. This must be DL's normal response to a competitor leaving the market, though the route still faces strong competition from FL.
smoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1227 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9067 times:
EricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1498 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9066 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
I am not sure if they ever said they wouldn't cut capacity on overlapping routes, but it would be VERY surprising if they actually kept the same amount of capacity on these routes.
One of the big synergies of a merger is to dump the excess capacity where possible. I would question the judgment of management if they did not reduce this capacity. No sense in filling 10 planes at 70% capacity on a specific route when you can fill 7 planes at 90% capacity while simultaneously increasing yields by slightly reducing the number seats.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3143 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9035 times:
Interesting; did Colgan lose an EAS contract for AUG? Does this bode ill for the other dozen or so Colgan flights at BOS? It looks like they dropped that BDL-ROC-BUF-ALB-BUF-ROC-BDL milk run again, too. Putting an extra flight on BHB-BOS in the winter is insane since they are lucky to get 20% loads in the winter as it is.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8965 times:
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4): Looks like B6 is ending SRQ service
Will SRQ-BOS even start at all? It was supposed to start 11/18.
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6): DL would be colossally stupid to permanently cut this route. I'd expect to see an A332 or 763 on it LONG before it would be cut.
Maybe DL needs the A333 to start their seasonal DTW-FCO a bit earlier than normal this year. I wonder if DTW-HNL will also ge the axe early.
fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 852 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8864 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
Not sure that applies in all cases...only had time to look up one.
For example, CLE>DEN goes from CO 1x ERJ 1x 738 and UA 2x CR& (350 seats) to CO 1x 739, 1x 738, and UA 1x CR7 (403 seats) in Jan. I'd suspect the UA flight to go mainline at somepoint also.
EricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1498 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8808 times:
Quoting fun2fly (Reply 10): Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
Not sure that applies in all cases...only had time to look up one.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1901 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8644 times:
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9): Will SRQ-BOS even start at all? It was supposed to start 11/18.
I hope it does. I know it was supposed to be seasonal.
fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 852 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8548 times:
268 prior vs. 200 future for IAD>CLE. How much can we really take from these changes until tha a/c are assigned (meaning all hub to hub will be mainline per the contract,no?)?
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2706 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8421 times:
rgreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8371 times:
Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 14): Doesn't MCO have some of the lowest yields in the country? It's America's #1 destination airport, but it's virtually all tourist traffic.
Yes, I would agree with that, however if you do a search (I picked Jan), AS is drawing a $50 RT premium on their non-stop service vs their 1 stop competitors. That would seem to help with the yields some, yes?
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8264 times:
Well in looking at CO.com and UAL.com I see the following changes for the combined carrier at IAH: I used Jan 4th.
IAH-DEN
2x738
4x753
1xCR7
2x320
IAH-IAD very interesting
1xE45
1xCR7
4x752
IAH-SFO
3x738
1x739
1x319
1x752
IAH-LAX
1x752
2x753
4x738
1x735
IAH-ORD
2x739
5x738
2x753
1xCR7
1x319
IAH-EWR
3x738
2x739
1x764
1x752
1x753
1x762
1x772
Not sure if these are finalized though, as the changes were not reflected on ual.com but they all showed up on CO.com.
That will bring B6 to 9 daily flights at RDU (4x JFK/BOS, 1x FLL) for one gate.. The most ever offered at RDU.. me thinks it may be time for them to look at adding another?
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6157 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8048 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2): This past June that route was at 4X daily...two each from AC and DL. Now it'll only be 1X daily on AC. Not the surprise of the century by any means.
Typical of DL/NW to rush in with a bunch of capacity and then wuss out after the other carrier lasts 6 months or so. That's becoming their standard response.
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3): The ATL-MKE cuts aren't odd: F9 dropped ATL-MKE a while back. This must be DL's normal response to a competitor leaving the market, though the route still faces strong competition from FL.
It's odd because they are giving FL a license to print money. I wonder if the WN deal is already changing how DL reacts in MKE. They may be thinking it is closing (as a hub) anyway, so there is no point in fighting.
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4): Looks like B6 is ending SRQ service
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9): Will SRQ-BOS even start at all? It was supposed to start 11/18.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15): I doubt they ar ending JFK-SRQ.
It's bookable once a day in July.
Sorry, that is a typo. It should be:
JFK-SRQ 2>1 MAY-
So, they will have one roundtrip remaining. I don't doubt it sucks, though.
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6): DL would be colossally stupid to permanently cut this route. I'd expect to see an A332 or 763 on it LONG before it would be cut.
I looked in OAG through September 2011 and there is no resumption listed.
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9): I wonder if DTW-HNL will also ge the axe early.
It already got axed and it being run sporatically through January.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 7): It looks like they dropped that BDL-ROC-BUF-ALB-BUF-ROC-BDL milk run again, too.
I think the temporary reinstatement was just a mistake. These routes are gone.
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 8): AS is going to 1 daily SEA-MCO starting in May? That one really surprises me, it seems like that is often a full flight.
LOW YIELD
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12): I wonder if BOS-OAK has gone seasonal?
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6157 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7940 times:
Quoting EricR (Reply 5): but it would be VERY surprising if they actually kept the same amount of capacity on these routes.
One of the big synergies of a merger is to dump the excess capacity where possible.
Of course eliminating competition is one of the synergies, I'm just a little surprised they were so brazen as to do it as their first order of business and in such obvious fashion. BTC should say "I told you so". It's not unexpected except in that they didn't do it slowly to conceal it.
Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 1): What about the equipment types? Did they upgrade the existing flights to larger aircraft then?
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): CO
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
CLE-DEN 1>2 JAN-
CLE-IAD 2>0 JAN-
CLE-ORD 6>5 JAN-
DEN-IAH 6>7 JAN-
EWR-IAD 6>2 JAN-
EWR-ORD 9>7 JAN-
GUM-HND 0>1/WK DEC-JAN
IAD-IAH 3>1 JAN-
IAH-MZT 2>1 MAR
IAH-ORD 8>9 JAN-
IAH-VER 3>2 JAN-FEB
LAX-BJX 0>1 NOV-
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2618 posts, RR: 31 Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7873 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): AA
AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-PAP 3/WK>0 DEC-APR Earlier end date
Will Eagle still fly this one via the Dominican Republic (AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-SDQ-PAP and AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-STI-PAP)? Seemed like an unusual thing to start up after Haiti's economy virtually collapsed - who did they expect to fly it? Plus, there didn't seem to be any pressing demand for it in the first place. The one stops make much more sense since the demand between Haiti and DR and then between DR and PR is indeed strong.
This is a surprise - I thought Mexican airlines couldn't add a single thing until Cat I status returns. Is AM being hopeful, or trying to get away with using a "seasonal" authority? Either way why wouldn't they chase after more lucrative opportunities than this marginal route?
Then again, I'm sure the great folks at ONT are just overjoyed to (possibly) getting their international flights back! .
Great to see AS capitalizing on opportunities to fill the MX void. At one point the viability of their huge Mexican network seemed to be called to question, but now with continued growth to both Mexico AND Hawaii I think its safe to say that exciting times are in store for us as well as AS.
Oh no! I guess this means they'll be pulling out of LAX entirely. I guess the news isn't all great for us here at LAX, but we are still getting TK, IB, and lots of exciting expansion from AA, UA, DL, VX, NH, and CO on the international front!
Very cool, when did they start flying this one 2x daily? Any chance for a BOS-ACK service? After all, with all the flights into BOS these days, it could easily get filled on connections alone!
Are they really dropping out of SRQ entirely? The only seasonal B6 station is ACK, but they keep a year-round presence there thanks to the Cape Air codeshare. Since B6 doesn't really do the whole seasonal thing much I am worried this could be the first B6 station to get the axe in over 2 years...
Oh, so this is where those EWR slots came from. IIRC in one of your recent posts they already cut EWR-Florida ops about a week or two ago - what gives? No reason to abandon these longstanding flights that made B6 a top EWR carrier (#2 before the DL/NW merger) if they don't have to, right? This opens up opportunities for UA/CO and WN to fill their void...
This route must really be doing well for them. First they announced it then cut it before it even begin, citing weak market response. Then they timidly started it at 2x daily, only to double that frequency (in spite of fierce UA/AA/DL/VX competition) about a year later. Now it will increase AGAIN. Go B6! Oh, and feel free to add additional stations out of LAX too .
It's a little alarming to see so many changes at LGB. I guess it could be that the slot issue forces B6 to constantly analyze opportunity costs (i.e. that 4th OAK flight is doing fine, but I can make more money adding a 3rd PDX flight) but I suspect it has more to do with poor performance on the LGB-Bay Area routes. B6 has a virtual monopoly on prime intra-California sectors and yet still can't do well?!?
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-JAX 0>1 MAY-
AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-TPA 0>2 MAY-
Looks like 25 daily AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU ops for B6.
25 daily ops out of AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU is extremely impressive indeed. I just wonder if they will be add much more out of AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU - they chose to serve EWR-BOS over EWR-AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU, for instance.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): BA
AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-ANU 0>2/WK MAR-
Oh, the new BA AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU flight won't be a nonstop to/from LGW??
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
Well, UA and CO were both sending A LOT of Express/Connection metal on what will become hub-hub routes that MUST be flown entirely by mainline. Upgrading ORD-EWR and DEN-IAH will be easy, but even IAD-EWR and IAD-CLE (for the next 2 years) will have to go from all prop/RJ to all mainline.
Surprise surprise, AC won that battle. MEM was/is probably supporting them with all kinds of marketing assistance, subsidies, etc. to stick it out. NW didn't even fly this one while they were doing MEM-YVR, IIRC. So DL - who was never big in Canada like NW was - had no chance of pulling it off!
It's surprising to see this one go, but then again, UA dropped ORD-HNL for all those years only to bring it back as its flagship Flight 1. Maybe DL will come to its senses like it did with MSP-EGE and at least retain a token seasonal frequency on it, though. I'm sure the plane will make a lot more money serving some VFR-heavy African or Asian market than getting a bunch of penny-penching Midwesterners to Hawaii anyhow .
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): SY
AUS-CUN 0>1/WK MAY- Does that make 3 airlines? DL/UA/SY
Well, the demand/numbers must be there for 5 different airlines (F9, VB, SY, DL, and now UA/CO) to have started or seriously considered starting it recently. All three airlines you mention plan to fly it weekly seasonally, so it shouldn't be THAT hard to pull off. I think SY has flown it before, so they must have done well enough the first time around to bring it back!
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3): CVG flight increases (albeit on hub-to-hub routes)? I'm surprised that a CVG route or two wasn't cut this week.
Well, they'll have to bolster links on hub-hub routes when they want to cut a bunch more flights . That said, CVG hasn't been cut for a little while now. Maybe with the economy starting to turn around the worst is behind them...
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1901 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7856 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 19): Yes, it does not operate this Winter.
Yeah, I knew they dropped it. I was surprised to see that it will be back in May, since I hadn't heard that it was ever coming back. Hopefully it improves enough to go year-round. It seemed so wierd that IAD-OAK was working and BOS-OAK wasn't, even if B6 does fly BOS-SJC/SFO. So B6 serves 39, not 38 destinations from BOS, just not all at the same time.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 7): Interesting; did Colgan lose an EAS contract for AUG? Does this bode ill for the other dozen or so Colgan flights at BOS?
Yep, Colgan lost it and 9K is in. I'm surprised that US Airways Express is still going at BOS. Now for 9K to enact a codeshare with B6 on LEB/RKD/AUG and that'll be all right.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22871 posts, RR: 87 Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7848 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 22): Well, the demand/numbers must be there for 5 different airlines (F9, VB, SY, DL, and now UA/CO) to have started or seriously considered starting it recently.
Frontier hasn't flown AUS-CUN for yonks - 2005?
It was a disaster for them. There were horror stories of flights going out with less than a dozen pax and the service lasted scarcely three months.
mariner
aeternum nauta
25 Transpac787: Considering it hasn't been mentioned on any of the DL bulletins, I won't believe it until I see it from them. Forgive my skepticism
26 jetbluefan1: BOS-SFO is also picking up a third frequency. Nice to see BOS-OAK come back, even if only seasonal. JetBluefan1
27 ASFlyer: Looking at the schedules on the employee travel site, it looks like this will be down to one daily from May 1 - June 4. On June 5 it returns to doubl
28 beryllium: ... combined with HIGH COST (SEAMCO is one of the longest domestic routes in the U.S. - burns a lot of fuel)...
29 rgreenftm: Everyone seems to be missing what I said in regards to low yields/high cost:
30 MKE22: Still might have to do more with F9 cutting the route.. There isn't any indication that WN is or isn't going to give up FL's fight vs. F9 in MKE..
31 bobnwa: I think it is a good and proper response for DL/NW to do this to drive AC out of the market. AC obviously blinked first.
32 OA412: Right like you've never seen any other carrier throw capacity at a market when a competitor enters it.
33 kgaiflyer: Okay, I give up. I've done the CO ERJ145LR IAD-IAH. So now we have five of them? Or does it mean we're now counting Expressjet service out of concour
34 kgaiflyer: This answers my question. I should have read further before writing.
36 EricR: Most competitors do, but NW was the most aggressive, IMO, when it came to protecting its home turf. In addition, I remember the battle a few years ag
37 LAXintl: It was announced a few weeks ago that since Avianca and TACA now being one holding company, they are rationalizing routes including TACA instead prov
38 enilria: Correct, they moved up POS and PAP changes. They also added DEN. Don't understand how. Perhaps they are just hoping. I don't know if they have flown
39 CompensateMe: While it'd be surprising if DL cut (or suspended) this route, if it wasn't viable as an A333, it's not going to be viable as a B763 or A332. A domest
40 laca773: I was wondering if and when this might happen. They are down to 2 762ERs and as many 757s as well since they transferred the remaining 75s to Aero Ga
41 mariner: What would they add? They surely wouldn't attempt AUS-CUN again. Or BNA-CUN, I think. DEN-MEX? Maybe but it took a couple of million in subsidies to
42 FL787: This doesn't count as new service because AM already had the authority to fly both these routes before the status change in Mexico. I guess AM was sm
43 drerx7: I don't think this is final for CO/UA as I believe others have stated that UAx will be coming in on some other routes out of IAH/EWR. And 4x752 daily
44 bobnwa: There is a fairly good size airline named FEDEX that calls MEM home, and has quite a few eggs in its basket.
45 enilria: Just verified on delta.com that the flight is gone now and forever. Not saying they couldn't change their mind...but it isn't a mistake. I don't thin
46 dldtw1962: I'm in shock over B6's dropping out of the SRQ market. And all the seat reductions on the CO/UA routes. Over all, I'm shocked at the whole thing. Also
47 enilria: STOP. I've corrected this twice above. It should have said JFK-SRQ 2>1. They will keep 1 RT in SRQ for the Summer. A.net doesn't let you edit quot
48 AVLAirlineFreq: As always, enilria, I am grateful to you for this weekly information. Thank you.
50 bobnwa: Since the discussion was about MEM not giving incentives , and has put all its eggs into one basket(Delta) and is waiting for them to be be euthanize
51 enilria: Clearly the presence of Fedex has little to do with the level of competition for passenger service at MEM. It's a nice bit of trivia on this thread,
52 kgaiflyer: Three responses: (1) I guess that's a point-of-view thing. For instance, I live equal-distant from all three DC area airports, so I use the one that
53 bobnwa: There is very little preventing another carrier from starting or increasing at MEM and in effect the low costs there are in effect an incentive.
54 enilria: The Air21 law technically mandates that no airport "prevent" new air carrier entry, although I would argue DCA and LGA are close to violation. How ab
55 CODC10: I wouldn't get too caught up with the doom-and-gloom... while EWR-DEN cuts are surprising (down to 4x/day), the capacity now probably better reflects
56 mariner: So if the landrush is occurring on the city routes and Frontier doesn't fly the city routes, why did you ask why they aren't adding anything? And no
57 avek00: That, plus there will likely need to be some "slack" in the system to allow for full product integration to get underway in 2011.
58 enilria: It's not doom and gloom...and it's expected. I'm just surprised they were so brazen as to make it obvious. Because Frontier was quite active in all s
59 mariner: That was then. And only ever to one inland city, which was a turkey for them, as you know. This is now. AeroMexico announced DEN back in 2008: http:/
60 drerx7: Not rumor - fact - those flights are loaded in the system.
61 PSU.DTW.SCE: Hubsite airports typically do not offer incentive. MEM realizes what they have with DL (and with FedEx) is something that no other airline would recr
62 CODC10: I'm not sure how they could do it surreptitiously. Furthermore, I don't think there was any doubt that hub-hub service would be reduced as a result o
63 PSU.DTW.SCE: The NW-DL merger actually increased hub-to-hub capacity on many routes. DTW-ATL, DTW-SLC, MEM-SLC, MSP-ATL are all up significantly post-merger. Some
64 drerx7: And I expect - contrary to many - the same thing to happen with UA/CO. I don't see why some would think that a route like IAH-LAX, already heavy on O
65 CompensateMe: But the NW legacy hub-hub routes saw sharp decreases, notably DTW/MSP which is now operating 9x daily vs. the 14x-15x pre-merger - and with smaller p
66 enilria: They hadn't flown DEN-MEX in 6+ months and personally I don't think they were gonna come back until MX bailed, but I guess that's not easily proven.
67 PSU.DTW.SCE: True, although mostly they eliminated the wing-tip flights but they still have close to the same spacing of flights throughout the day. What large hu
68 FWAERJ: DFW offered over $400K in incentives to lure VX. I'm sure there's others.
69 enilria: If you think offering incentives to new entrants is telling the hub carrier to take a hike you are already admitting the hub is so fragile that (heav
70 mariner: Whereas I assumed that AeroMexico had discovered the same intense seasonality of the market, as United has: http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories
71 CO767FA: The reduction is from January 4th thru February 16 - February 17 the old UA has 3 flights to EWR and old CO has 3 flights to EWR, for a total of 6 fl
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