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OAG Changes 10/22/2010:9K/AA/AM/AS/B6/CO/DL/F9/UA  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10776 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
Flights are daily except as noted "/wk" which means per week.
ABE-MDT 2>10/WK means a reduction from 2 daily flights to 10 flights per week which is about 1.5 flights
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

9K
BOS-AUG 0>3 DEC-
BOS-MVY 9>6 NOV-
BOS-PVC 6>3 NOV-

AA
SJU-PAP 3/WK>0 DEC-APR Earlier end date
SJU-POS 3/WK>2/WK DEC-APR

AM
ONT-GDL 0>1 NOV-

AS
ACV-LAX 0>1 DEC-
ACV-RDD 2>1 DEC-
ANC-DEN 1>0 MAY Later start
ANC-LAX 1>0 MAY Later start
FAT-SEA 2>1 JAN-MAR
LAX-GDL 1>2 FEB-
LAX-PVR 1>2 FEB-
MCO-SEA 2>1 MAY-
SJC-GDL 0>4/WK DEC-
SMF-GDL 0>3/WK DEC-

AV
LAX-BOG 5/WK>0 JAN-


B6
ACK-JFK 0>2 MAY-
BOS-AUA 10/WK>3/WK MAY-
BOS-BDA 0>1 MAY-
BOS-CUN 10/WK>3/WK MAY-
BOS-EWR 0>4 MAY-
BOS-FLL 7>5 MAY-
BOS-IAD 6>7 MAY-
BOS-JAX 1>2 MAY-
BOS-NAS 1>0 MAY-
BOS-OAK 0>1 MAY-
BOS-ORD 3>4 MAY-
BOS-PBI 5>2 MAY-
BOS-PLS 0>1/WK FEB-APR
BOS-SAN 1>2 MAY-
BOS-SEA 1>2 MAY-
BOS-SJU 2>4 MAY-
BOS-SRQ 1>0 JUN-
BOS-SXM 1/WK>0 JUN-
BOS-TPA 5>3 MAY-
EWR-FLL 5>3 MAY-
EWR-PBI 2>1 MAY-
EWR-RSW 2>1 MAY-
IAD-JFK 2>3 MAY-
IAD-LGB 1>2 MAY-
JFK-FLL 11>8 MAY-
JFK-LAS 4>5 JUN-
JFK-LAX 4>5 JUN-
JFK-MCO 10>9 MAY; 10>11 JUN-
JFK-PBI 9>5 MAY-
JFK-RDU 3>4 JUN-
JFK-SDQ 4>6 JUN-
JFK-SEA 1>2 MAY-
JFK-SJU 6>8 JUN-
JFK-SRQ 1>0 MAY-
JFK-STI 4>7 JUN-
JFK-RSW 6>3 MAY-
LGA-MCO 2>3 MAY-
LGA-PBI 2>1 MAY-
LGB-OAK 4>3 MAY-
LGB-PDX 2>3 MAY-
LGB-SFO 4>3 MAY-
LGB-SMF 2>3 MAY-
MCO-PSE 1>2 JUN-
MCO-PWM 1>1/WK MAY-
SJU-JAX 0>1 MAY-
SJU-TPA 0>2 MAY-
Looks like 25 daily SJU ops for B6.

BA
SJU-ANU 0>2/WK MAR-

CO
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
CLE-DEN 1>2 JAN-
CLE-IAD 2>0 JAN-
CLE-ORD 6>5 JAN-
DEN-IAH 6>7 JAN-
EWR-IAD 6>2 JAN-
EWR-ORD 9>7 JAN-
GUM-HND 0>1/WK DEC-JAN
IAD-IAH 3>1 JAN-
IAH-MZT 2>1 MAR
IAH-ORD 8>9 JAN-
IAH-VER 3>2 JAN-FEB
LAX-BJX 0>1 NOV-

UA
DEN-CLE 2>1 JAN-FEB
DEN-EWR 3>1 JAN-FEB
DEN-IAH 5>3 DEC-
EWR-IAD 4>3 JAN-
EWR-ORD 9>7 DEC-
EWR-SFO 2>1 JAN-
IAD-IAH 2>5 JAN-
IAH-LAX 1>0 NOV-
IAH-ORD 5>2 JAN-
CLE-ORD 8>6 JAN-
SFO-EWR 3>1 JAN-

DL
ATL-CVG 7>8 JAN-FEB
ATL-MKE 7>5 FEB-APR Hmm...odd.
CVG-DTW 6>7 FEB-
DTW-AZO 8>7 JAN-APR
HNL-MSP 4/WK>0 FEB- No resumption
JFK-BOG 4/WK>1 FEB-
MEM-YYZ 1>0 JAN- AC retaliation route

F9
DEN-OMA 5>4 APR-
DEN-PHX 6>7 FEB-
IND-CUN 1/WK>2/WK FEB-APR
MCI-RSW 0>2/WK DEC-APR
MCO-MKE 10/WK>1 APR-
MKE-PHX 1>2 FEB-

SY
AUS-CUN 0>1/WK MAY- Does that make 3 airlines? DL/UA/SY

US
ALB-BUF 1>0 JAN-FEB
AUG-BHB 1>0 DEC-
AUG-BOS 3>0 DEC-
BDL-ROC 2>0 JAN-FEB
BHB-BOS 2>3 DEC-
BUF-ROC 2>0 JAN-FEB

V2
ATL-SDF 0>2 DEC-

ZK
BIL-HVR 0>1/WK NOV-
MCI-TBN 3>0 DEC-

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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10677 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?

What about the equipment types? Did they upgrade the existing flights to larger aircraft then?


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-YYZ 1>0 JAN- AC retaliation route

This past June that route was at 4X daily...two each from AC and DL. Now it'll only be 1X daily on AC. Not the surprise of the century by any means.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10569 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-CVG 7>8 JAN-FEB
ATL-MKE 7>5 FEB-APR Hmm...odd.
CVG-DTW 6>7 FEB-

CVG flight increases (albeit on hub-to-hub routes)? I'm surprised that a CVG route or two wasn't cut this week.

The ATL-MKE cuts aren't odd: F9 dropped ATL-MKE a while back. This must be DL's normal response to a competitor leaving the market, though the route still faces strong competition from FL.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1293 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

Looks like B6 is ending SRQ service

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?

I am not sure if they ever said they wouldn't cut capacity on overlapping routes, but it would be VERY surprising if they actually kept the same amount of capacity on these routes.

One of the big synergies of a merger is to dump the excess capacity where possible. I would question the judgment of management if they did not reduce this capacity. No sense in filling 10 planes at 70% capacity on a specific route when you can fill 7 planes at 90% capacity while simultaneously increasing yields by slightly reducing the number seats.

[Edited 2010-10-19 08:18:26]

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10472 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HNL-MSP 4/WK>0 FEB- No resumption

DL would be colossally stupid to permanently cut this route. I'd expect to see an A332 or 763 on it LONG before it would be cut.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6709 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10425 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
9K
BOS-AUG 0>3 DEC-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US
ALB-BUF 1>0 JAN-FEB
AUG-BHB 1>0 DEC-
AUG-BOS 3>0 DEC-
BDL-ROC 2>0 JAN-FEB
BHB-BOS 2>3 DEC-
BUF-ROC 2>0 JAN-FEB

Interesting; did Colgan lose an EAS contract for AUG? Does this bode ill for the other dozen or so Colgan flights at BOS? It looks like they dropped that BDL-ROC-BUF-ALB-BUF-ROC-BDL milk run again, too. Putting an extra flight on BHB-BOS in the winter is insane since they are lucky to get 20% loads in the winter as it is.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
EWR-FLL 5>3 MAY-
EWR-PBI 2>1 MAY-
EWR-RSW 2>1 MAY-

Now we know where the BOS-EWR slots will come from.


User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

AS is going to 1 daily SEA-MCO starting in May? That one really surprises me, it seems like that is often a full flight.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10402 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
Looks like B6 is ending SRQ service

Will SRQ-BOS even start at all? It was supposed to start 11/18.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
DL would be colossally stupid to permanently cut this route. I'd expect to see an A332 or 763 on it LONG before it would be cut.

Maybe DL needs the A333 to start their seasonal DTW-FCO a bit earlier than normal this year. I wonder if DTW-HNL will also ge the axe early.



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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10301 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?

Not sure that applies in all cases...only had time to look up one.

For example, CLE>DEN goes from CO 1x ERJ 1x 738 and UA 2x CR& (350 seats) to CO 1x 739, 1x 738, and UA 1x CR7 (403 seats) in Jan. I'd suspect the UA flight to go mainline at somepoint also.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10245 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?

Not sure that applies in all cases...only had time to look up one.


See EWR-IAD, CLE-IAD, CLE-ORD


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
Will SRQ-BOS even start at all? It was supposed to start 11/18.

I hope it does. I know it was supposed to be seasonal.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-OAK 0>1 MAY-

Nice to see that one returning. I wonder if BOS-OAK has gone seasonal?



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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9985 times:

268 prior vs. 200 future for IAD>CLE. How much can we really take from these changes until tha a/c are assigned (meaning all hub to hub will be mainline per the contract,no?)?

User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9958 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 8):
AS is going to 1 daily SEA-MCO starting in May? That one really surprises me, it seems like that is often a full flight.

Doesn't MCO have some of the lowest yields in the country? It's America's #1 destination airport, but it's virtually all tourist traffic.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3379 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

"Looks like B6 is ending SRQ service"

I doubt they ar ending JFK-SRQ.

It's bookable once a day in July.


User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9808 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 14):
Doesn't MCO have some of the lowest yields in the country? It's America's #1 destination airport, but it's virtually all tourist traffic.

Yes, I would agree with that, however if you do a search (I picked Jan), AS is drawing a $50 RT premium on their non-stop service vs their 1 stop competitors. That would seem to help with the yields some, yes?


User currently onlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9701 times:

Well in looking at CO.com and UAL.com I see the following changes for the combined carrier at IAH: I used Jan 4th.
IAH-DEN
2x738
4x753
1xCR7
2x320

IAH-IAD very interesting
1xE45
1xCR7
4x752

IAH-SFO
3x738
1x739
1x319
1x752

IAH-LAX
1x752
2x753
4x738
1x735

IAH-ORD
2x739
5x738
2x753
1xCR7
1x319

IAH-EWR
3x738
2x739
1x764
1x752
1x753
1x762
1x772
Not sure if these are finalized though, as the changes were not reflected on ual.com but they all showed up on CO.com.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-RDU 3>4 JUN-

That will bring B6 to 9 daily flights at RDU (4x JFK/BOS, 1x FLL) for one gate.. The most ever offered at RDU.. me thinks it may be time for them to look at adding another?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
This past June that route was at 4X daily...two each from AC and DL. Now it'll only be 1X daily on AC. Not the surprise of the century by any means.

Typical of DL/NW to rush in with a bunch of capacity and then wuss out after the other carrier lasts 6 months or so. That's becoming their standard response.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
The ATL-MKE cuts aren't odd: F9 dropped ATL-MKE a while back. This must be DL's normal response to a competitor leaving the market, though the route still faces strong competition from FL.

It's odd because they are giving FL a license to print money. I wonder if the WN deal is already changing how DL reacts in MKE. They may be thinking it is closing (as a hub) anyway, so there is no point in fighting.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
Looks like B6 is ending SRQ service
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
Will SRQ-BOS even start at all? It was supposed to start 11/18.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15):
I doubt they ar ending JFK-SRQ.
It's bookable once a day in July.

Sorry, that is a typo. It should be:
JFK-SRQ 2>1 MAY-

So, they will have one roundtrip remaining. I don't doubt it sucks, though.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
DL would be colossally stupid to permanently cut this route. I'd expect to see an A332 or 763 on it LONG before it would be cut.

I looked in OAG through September 2011 and there is no resumption listed.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
I wonder if DTW-HNL will also ge the axe early.

It already got axed and it being run sporatically through January.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
It looks like they dropped that BDL-ROC-BUF-ALB-BUF-ROC-BDL milk run again, too.

I think the temporary reinstatement was just a mistake. These routes are gone.

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 8):
AS is going to 1 daily SEA-MCO starting in May? That one really surprises me, it seems like that is often a full flight.

LOW YIELD

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12):
I wonder if BOS-OAK has gone seasonal?

Yes, it does not operate this Winter.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SJU-POS 3/WK>2/WK DEC-APR

I thought this route was ending? Is it a reduction before termination in April?

AA1818



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9377 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 5):
but it would be VERY surprising if they actually kept the same amount of capacity on these routes.
One of the big synergies of a merger is to dump the excess capacity where possible.

Of course eliminating competition is one of the synergies, I'm just a little surprised they were so brazen as to do it as their first order of business and in such obvious fashion. BTC should say "I told you so". It's not unexpected except in that they didn't do it slowly to conceal it.

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 1):
What about the equipment types? Did they upgrade the existing flights to larger aircraft then?
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?
CLE-DEN 1>2 JAN-
CLE-IAD 2>0 JAN-
CLE-ORD 6>5 JAN-
DEN-IAH 6>7 JAN-
EWR-IAD 6>2 JAN-
EWR-ORD 9>7 JAN-
GUM-HND 0>1/WK DEC-JAN
IAD-IAH 3>1 JAN-
IAH-MZT 2>1 MAR
IAH-ORD 8>9 JAN-
IAH-VER 3>2 JAN-FEB
LAX-BJX 0>1 NOV-

UA
DEN-CLE 2>1 JAN-FEB
DEN-EWR 3>1 JAN-FEB
DEN-IAH 5>3 DEC-
EWR-IAD 4>3 JAN-
EWR-ORD 9>7 DEC-
EWR-SFO 2>1 JAN-
IAD-IAH 2>5 JAN-
IAH-LAX 1>0 NOV-
IAH-ORD 5>2 JAN-
CLE-ORD 8>6 JAN-
SFO-EWR 3>1 JAN-

Here is a combined seat comparison...
CLE-DEN +12%
CLE-IAD -22%
CLE-IAH -15%
CLE-ORD -11%
DEN-IAH -6%
EWR-DEN -24%
EWR-IAD -30%
EWR-LAX -11%
EWR-ORD +2%
EWR-SFO -14%
IAD-IAH +73%
IAH-LAX -22%
IAH-ORD -5%
IAH-SFO -11%

Other than IAD-IAH it's pretty bleak...


User currently onlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2846 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA
AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-PAP 3/WK>0 DEC-APR Earlier end date

Will Eagle still fly this one via the Dominican Republic (AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-SDQ-PAP and AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-STI-PAP)? Seemed like an unusual thing to start up after Haiti's economy virtually collapsed - who did they expect to fly it? Plus, there didn't seem to be any pressing demand for it in the first place. The one stops make much more sense since the demand between Haiti and DR and then between DR and PR is indeed strong.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM
ONT-GDL 0>1 NOV-

This is a surprise - I thought Mexican airlines couldn't add a single thing until Cat I status returns. Is AM being hopeful, or trying to get away with using a "seasonal" authority? Either way why wouldn't they chase after more lucrative opportunities than this marginal route?

Then again, I'm sure the great folks at ONT are just overjoyed to (possibly) getting their international flights back!  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS
ACV-LAX 0>1 DEC-

This is a neat addition. Have they flown this nonstop before?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LAX-GDL 1>2 FEB-
LAX-PVR 1>2 FEB-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SJC-GDL 0>4/WK DEC-
SMF-GDL 0>3/WK DEC-

Great to see AS capitalizing on opportunities to fill the MX void. At one point the viability of their huge Mexican network seemed to be called to question, but now with continued growth to both Mexico AND Hawaii I think its safe to say that exciting times are in store for us as well as AS.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AV
LAX-BOG 5/WK>0 JAN-


Oh no! I guess this means they'll be pulling out of LAX entirely. I guess the news isn't all great for us here at LAX, but we are still getting TK, IB, and lots of exciting expansion from AA, UA, DL, VX, NH, and CO on the international front!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6
ACK-JFK 0>2 MAY-

Very cool, when did they start flying this one 2x daily? Any chance for a BOS-ACK service? After all, with all the flights into BOS these days, it could easily get filled on connections alone!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-OAK 0>1 MAY-

Haha, I never knew this sort of route was seasonal. Either way, it's great to see it coming back.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-PLS 0>1/WK FEB-APR

Did they load JFK-PLS yet? I don't remember you posting it, but it's hard to keep track of everything  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-SRQ 1>0 JUN-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-SRQ 1>0 MAY-

Are they really dropping out of SRQ entirely? The only seasonal B6 station is ACK, but they keep a year-round presence there thanks to the Cape Air codeshare. Since B6 doesn't really do the whole seasonal thing much I am worried this could be the first B6 station to get the axe in over 2 years...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
EWR-FLL 5>3 MAY-
EWR-PBI 2>1 MAY-
EWR-RSW 2>1 MAY-

Oh, so this is where those EWR slots came from. IIRC in one of your recent posts they already cut EWR-Florida ops about a week or two ago - what gives? No reason to abandon these longstanding flights that made B6 a top EWR carrier (#2 before the DL/NW merger) if they don't have to, right? This opens up opportunities for UA/CO and WN to fill their void...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-JFK 2>3 MAY-
IAD-LGB 1>2 MAY-

Great to see someone other than UA committed to IAD. I was starting to get worried they would lose all of their LCC service!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-LAX 4>5 JUN-

This route must really be doing well for them. First they announced it then cut it before it even begin, citing weak market response. Then they timidly started it at 2x daily, only to double that frequency (in spite of fierce UA/AA/DL/VX competition) about a year later. Now it will increase AGAIN. Go B6! Oh, and feel free to add additional stations out of LAX too  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-SDQ 4>6 JUN-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-STI 4>7 JUN-

I knew the DR was a B6 goldmine, but it didn't know it was this big! Is this a regular seasonal increase, or a massive addition?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LGB-OAK 4>3 MAY-
LGB-PDX 2>3 MAY-
LGB-SFO 4>3 MAY-
LGB-SMF 2>3 MAY-

It's a little alarming to see so many changes at LGB. I guess it could be that the slot issue forces B6 to constantly analyze opportunity costs (i.e. that 4th OAK flight is doing fine, but I can make more money adding a 3rd PDX flight) but I suspect it has more to do with poor performance on the LGB-Bay Area routes. B6 has a virtual monopoly on prime intra-California sectors and yet still can't do well?!?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-JAX 0>1 MAY-
AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-TPA 0>2 MAY-
Looks like 25 daily AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU ops for B6.

25 daily ops out of AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU is extremely impressive indeed. I just wonder if they will be add much more out of AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU - they chose to serve EWR-BOS over EWR-AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU, for instance.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BA
AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU-ANU 0>2/WK MAR-

Oh, the new BA AND San Juan - Luis Munoz Marin International (SJU / TJSJ), Puerto Rico">SJU flight won't be a nonstop to/from LGW??

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Some significant merger schedule changes for the first time. Capacity in overlapping routes is pretty severely cut...exactly what they said they wouldn't do, right?

Well, UA and CO were both sending A LOT of Express/Connection metal on what will become hub-hub routes that MUST be flown entirely by mainline. Upgrading ORD-EWR and DEN-IAH will be easy, but even IAD-EWR and IAD-CLE (for the next 2 years) will have to go from all prop/RJ to all mainline.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CLE-IAD 2>0 JAN-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
EWR-IAD 6>2 JAN-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-IAH 3>1 JAN-

Haha, this does not surprise me at all. CO would much rather serve DCA than far-flung IAD  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
GUM-HND 0>1/WK DEC-JAN

WHAT?!? How on earth did they get the rights to fly this? Is it just a temporary charter-type thing, or...?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
IAH-LAX 1>0 NOV-

Good. This ridiculously long RJ service on a prime route should have never began in the first place!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-YYZ 1>0 JAN- AC retaliation route

Surprise surprise, AC won that battle. MEM was/is probably supporting them with all kinds of marketing assistance, subsidies, etc. to stick it out. NW didn't even fly this one while they were doing MEM-YVR, IIRC. So DL - who was never big in Canada like NW was - had no chance of pulling it off!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HNL-MSP 4/WK>0 FEB- No resumption

It's surprising to see this one go, but then again, UA dropped ORD-HNL for all those years only to bring it back as its flagship Flight 1. Maybe DL will come to its senses like it did with MSP-EGE and at least retain a token seasonal frequency on it, though. I'm sure the plane will make a lot more money serving some VFR-heavy African or Asian market than getting a bunch of penny-penching Midwesterners to Hawaii anyhow  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SY
AUS-CUN 0>1/WK MAY- Does that make 3 airlines? DL/UA/SY

Well, the demand/numbers must be there for 5 different airlines (F9, VB, SY, DL, and now UA/CO) to have started or seriously considered starting it recently. All three airlines you mention plan to fly it weekly seasonally, so it shouldn't be THAT hard to pull off. I think SY has flown it before, so they must have done well enough the first time around to bring it back!

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
CVG flight increases (albeit on hub-to-hub routes)? I'm surprised that a CVG route or two wasn't cut this week.

Well, they'll have to bolster links on hub-hub routes when they want to cut a bunch more flights  . That said, CVG hasn't been cut for a little while now. Maybe with the economy starting to turn around the worst is behind them...



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Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Yes, it does not operate this Winter.

Yeah, I knew they dropped it. I was surprised to see that it will be back in May, since I hadn't heard that it was ever coming back. Hopefully it improves enough to go year-round. It seemed so wierd that IAD-OAK was working and BOS-OAK wasn't, even if B6 does fly BOS-SJC/SFO. So B6 serves 39, not 38 destinations from BOS, just not all at the same time.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
Interesting; did Colgan lose an EAS contract for AUG? Does this bode ill for the other dozen or so Colgan flights at BOS?

Yep, Colgan lost it and 9K is in. I'm surprised that US Airways Express is still going at BOS. Now for 9K to enact a codeshare with B6 on LEB/RKD/AUG and that'll be all right.



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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 22):
Well, the demand/numbers must be there for 5 different airlines (F9, VB, SY, DL, and now UA/CO) to have started or seriously considered starting it recently.

Frontier hasn't flown AUS-CUN for yonks - 2005?

It was a disaster for them. There were horror stories of flights going out with less than a dozen pax and the service lasted scarcely three months.

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25 Post contains images Transpac787 : Considering it hasn't been mentioned on any of the DL bulletins, I won't believe it until I see it from them. Forgive my skepticism
26 jetbluefan1 : BOS-SFO is also picking up a third frequency. Nice to see BOS-OAK come back, even if only seasonal. JetBluefan1
27 ASFlyer : Looking at the schedules on the employee travel site, it looks like this will be down to one daily from May 1 - June 4. On June 5 it returns to doubl
28 beryllium : ... combined with HIGH COST (SEAMCO is one of the longest domestic routes in the U.S. - burns a lot of fuel)...
29 rgreenftm : Everyone seems to be missing what I said in regards to low yields/high cost:
30 MKE22 : Still might have to do more with F9 cutting the route.. There isn't any indication that WN is or isn't going to give up FL's fight vs. F9 in MKE..
31 bobnwa : I think it is a good and proper response for DL/NW to do this to drive AC out of the market. AC obviously blinked first.
32 Post contains images OA412 : Right like you've never seen any other carrier throw capacity at a market when a competitor enters it.
33 kgaiflyer : Okay, I give up. I've done the CO ERJ145LR IAD-IAH. So now we have five of them? Or does it mean we're now counting Expressjet service out of concour
34 kgaiflyer : This answers my question. I should have read further before writing.
35 AUSisAwesome : They just love us!
36 EricR : Most competitors do, but NW was the most aggressive, IMO, when it came to protecting its home turf. In addition, I remember the battle a few years ag
37 LAXintl : It was announced a few weeks ago that since Avianca and TACA now being one holding company, they are rationalizing routes including TACA instead prov
38 Post contains images enilria : Correct, they moved up POS and PAP changes. They also added DEN. Don't understand how. Perhaps they are just hoping. I don't know if they have flown
39 CompensateMe : While it'd be surprising if DL cut (or suspended) this route, if it wasn't viable as an A333, it's not going to be viable as a B763 or A332. A domest
40 laca773 : I was wondering if and when this might happen. They are down to 2 762ERs and as many 757s as well since they transferred the remaining 75s to Aero Ga
41 Post contains images mariner : What would they add? They surely wouldn't attempt AUS-CUN again. Or BNA-CUN, I think. DEN-MEX? Maybe but it took a couple of million in subsidies to
42 FL787 : This doesn't count as new service because AM already had the authority to fly both these routes before the status change in Mexico. I guess AM was sm
43 drerx7 : I don't think this is final for CO/UA as I believe others have stated that UAx will be coming in on some other routes out of IAH/EWR. And 4x752 daily
44 bobnwa : There is a fairly good size airline named FEDEX that calls MEM home, and has quite a few eggs in its basket.
45 Post contains images enilria : Just verified on delta.com that the flight is gone now and forever. Not saying they couldn't change their mind...but it isn't a mistake. I don't thin
46 dldtw1962 : I'm in shock over B6's dropping out of the SRQ market. And all the seat reductions on the CO/UA routes. Over all, I'm shocked at the whole thing. Also
47 enilria : STOP. I've corrected this twice above. It should have said JFK-SRQ 2>1. They will keep 1 RT in SRQ for the Summer. A.net doesn't let you edit quot
48 Post contains images AVLAirlineFreq : As always, enilria, I am grateful to you for this weekly information. Thank you.
49 enilria : Thanks
50 bobnwa : Since the discussion was about MEM not giving incentives , and has put all its eggs into one basket(Delta) and is waiting for them to be be euthanize
51 enilria : Clearly the presence of Fedex has little to do with the level of competition for passenger service at MEM. It's a nice bit of trivia on this thread,
52 kgaiflyer : Three responses: (1) I guess that's a point-of-view thing. For instance, I live equal-distant from all three DC area airports, so I use the one that
53 bobnwa : There is very little preventing another carrier from starting or increasing at MEM and in effect the low costs there are in effect an incentive.
54 enilria : The Air21 law technically mandates that no airport "prevent" new air carrier entry, although I would argue DCA and LGA are close to violation. How ab
55 CODC10 : I wouldn't get too caught up with the doom-and-gloom... while EWR-DEN cuts are surprising (down to 4x/day), the capacity now probably better reflects
56 Post contains images mariner : So if the landrush is occurring on the city routes and Frontier doesn't fly the city routes, why did you ask why they aren't adding anything? And no
57 avek00 : That, plus there will likely need to be some "slack" in the system to allow for full product integration to get underway in 2011.
58 enilria : It's not doom and gloom...and it's expected. I'm just surprised they were so brazen as to make it obvious. Because Frontier was quite active in all s
59 Post contains links mariner : That was then. And only ever to one inland city, which was a turkey for them, as you know. This is now. AeroMexico announced DEN back in 2008: http:/
60 drerx7 : Not rumor - fact - those flights are loaded in the system.
61 PSU.DTW.SCE : Hubsite airports typically do not offer incentive. MEM realizes what they have with DL (and with FedEx) is something that no other airline would recr
62 CODC10 : I'm not sure how they could do it surreptitiously. Furthermore, I don't think there was any doubt that hub-hub service would be reduced as a result o
63 PSU.DTW.SCE : The NW-DL merger actually increased hub-to-hub capacity on many routes. DTW-ATL, DTW-SLC, MEM-SLC, MSP-ATL are all up significantly post-merger. Some
64 drerx7 : And I expect - contrary to many - the same thing to happen with UA/CO. I don't see why some would think that a route like IAH-LAX, already heavy on O
65 CompensateMe : But the NW legacy hub-hub routes saw sharp decreases, notably DTW/MSP which is now operating 9x daily vs. the 14x-15x pre-merger - and with smaller p
66 enilria : They hadn't flown DEN-MEX in 6+ months and personally I don't think they were gonna come back until MX bailed, but I guess that's not easily proven.
67 PSU.DTW.SCE : True, although mostly they eliminated the wing-tip flights but they still have close to the same spacing of flights throughout the day. What large hu
68 FWAERJ : DFW offered over $400K in incentives to lure VX. I'm sure there's others.
69 enilria : If you think offering incentives to new entrants is telling the hub carrier to take a hike you are already admitting the hub is so fragile that (heav
70 Post contains links mariner : Whereas I assumed that AeroMexico had discovered the same intense seasonality of the market, as United has: http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories
71 CO767FA : The reduction is from January 4th thru February 16 - February 17 the old UA has 3 flights to EWR and old CO has 3 flights to EWR, for a total of 6 fl
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