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US Extends Mesa Deal For CR9s By 39 Months  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7533 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Air...gn-Term-bw-319888996.html?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mesa-A...Extend-bw-1484958984.html?x=0&.v=1

US Airways Group, Inc. (NYSE:LCC - News) today released the following statement regarding its ongoing discussions with Mesa Air Group and its Chapter 11 Bankruptcy case:



US Airways and Mesa have signed a non-binding term sheet which outlines an agreement in principle for an extension of 39 months from the current scheduled expiration of June 30, 2012, for the operation of 38 CRJ900 aircraft under the companies’ codeshare and revenue sharing agreement. The term sheet also includes a reduction in the rates paid by US Airways to Mesa to operate those aircraft. The transaction contemplated by the term sheet is subject to a number of conditions, including the negotiation and execution of definitive documents, approval by the US Airways and Mesa boards of directors, US Airways’ approval of Mesa’s Plan of Reorganization, and approval by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court.

Mesa currently operates 76 aircraft with approximately 460 daily system departures to 88 cities, 34 states, the District of Columbia, Canada, and Mexico. Mesa operates as US Airways Express and United Express under contractual agreements with US Airways and United Airlines, respectively, and independently as go! Mokulele.



Does this cover all existing flying or does this imply a reduction in the size of the US-YV relationship?

They only have 76 A/C left. Wow...

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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Does this cover all existing flying or does this imply a reduction in the size of the US-YV relationship?

They only have 76 A/C left. Wow...

This new agreeement only covers the 38 CR9 aircraft; in addition to the CR9s, YV currently operates 8 CRJ-200 and 6 DH8 aircraft. The CRJ-200 flying will end, as previously scheduled, in June 2012 while the 6 DH8 aircraft can be returned at anytime with a 6 month notice.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6806 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 1):
The CRJ-200 flying will end, as previously scheduled, in June 2012 while the 6 DH8 aircraft can be returned at anytime with a 6 month notice.

Presumably this agreement may also have ended Mesa's exclusivity at the PHX hub, since there is probably some value in being able to redeploy CR9's to CLT and moving CRJ's or CR7's operated by other regionals to PHX.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4303 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Not a surprise here for those following the situation. Interesting part about this is YV becomes even cheaper for US as part of this deal. (I didn't think that was even possible) The 900's though have been a good thing for US, especially in CLT. Now with the 200 deal up in 2012, and likely not to get extended, the question is, who will move out to PHX to with 8 200's? Chautauqua makes the most sense out of any RJ operator right now because their limited ERJ operation would be perfect to consolidate in one hub. PSA and ZW are the other two operators, however PSA would put an additional CRJ burden on ZW in CLT which would make it difficult for ZW (Who has been an operational nightmare for US lately), and likewise ZW would burden PSA a little bit more in PHL.

User currently onlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1321 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 2):
Presumably this agreement may also have ended Mesa's exclusivity at the PHX hub, since there is probably some value in being able to redeploy CR9's to CLT and moving CRJ's or CR7's operated by other regionals to PHX.

I think there is a very realistic chance of this happening


User currently offlineUSXGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1039 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

I believe 1/2 of the CR9s were shipped to CLT within 6 months of the merger being complete.... I don't see the Dash 8s leaving anytime soon, but the CRJ 200s are on their way out the door and I doubt they'll be backfilled by another operator. I think the most realistic thing we see happening are some lighter phx-midwest flts being converted to Republic with E170/175s and bridge them to PHL/DCA/CLT. So we may see some new growth, such as CLT-XNA-PHX on RW


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User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 996 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Am I the only one who wants OO to get some US contracts? I feel OO is limited flying for only UA/CO and DL, esp. since both of those are going to reshape up regionals and could potentially drop some routes especially as they move away from 200s. I think US could make an interesting additional customer for OO if they could get any contracts. Its just an unrealistic dream though.   


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

IMHO, US should let Mesa die, purchase the CR9s at dirt cheap, and rename Mesa as America West Airlines to protect the HP name.


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Does this cover all existing flying or does this imply a reduction in the size of the US-YV relationship?

They only have 76 A/C left. Wow...

Well it doesn't cover ALL existing flying that YV does for US but this deal is huge as it could allow Mesa to exit bankruptcy. If US pulled the plug on them completely they wouldn't survive on just Hawaiian inter-island flying and a dwindling UAX contract...

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 1):
in addition to the CR9s, YV currently operates 8 CRJ-200 and 6 DH8 aircraft. The CRJ-200 flying will end, as previously scheduled, in June 2012 while the 6 DH8 aircraft can be returned at anytime with a 6 month notice.

What kind of flying do those YV CR2s even do for US? Almost all of the USX stuff out of PHX is on CR9s, even the likes of PHX-TUS. Are they primarily based out East?

As for the Dashes, has US indicated a desire to get rid of them completely? It's the perfect plane for serving some pretty popular markets like FLG and TEX...

Quoting ScottB (Reply 2):
Presumably this agreement may also have ended Mesa's exclusivity at the PHX hub, since there is probably some value in being able to redeploy CR9's to CLT and moving CRJ's or CR7's operated by other regionals to PHX.

I'm not so sure about that. If US wanted CRJs/CR7s at PHX, they could have had YV put them there. They seem to be able to fill the CR9s and mainline planes on just about everything out of PHX other than the puddle jumps to small desert towns like YUM. Besides, I don't think the ratty all-Y CR9s would do wonders at CLT anyhow. The bankers and other important biz folks would much rather take a swanky E-jet with F.

Quoting apodino (Reply 3):
The 900's though have been a good thing for US, especially in CLT.

Really? How so? On what types of routes?

Quoting apodino (Reply 3):
Now with the 200 deal up in 2012, and likely not to get extended, the question is, who will move out to PHX to with 8 200's?

I don't think anyone would. US has cut most of the weak Express stuff out of PHX by now (COS, ICT, OKC, etc.) and everything they still do can easily fill CR9s (AUS, ABQ, LGB, etc.). They just don't need those planes at PHX anymore.

Quoting USXGuy (Reply 5):
I think the most realistic thing we see happening are some lighter phx-midwest flts being converted to Republic with E170/175s and bridge them to PHL/DCA/CLT. So we may see some new growth, such as CLT-XNA-PHX on RW

I would think US is buying time to resolve its labor issues so that it can send E-190s out to PHX. They are perfect for all those high-frequency hops to SoCal and Vegas, and also the long, thin routes like PHX-IND/MKE/MSY etc.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8):
Quoting apodino (Reply 3):The 900's though have been a good thing for US, especially in CLT.Really? How so? On what types of routes?

It lets US provide a high density service to communities that are not cannot support large aircraft( CLT-HPN/FAY, for example)



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

I've heard the number 4 being thrown around for the final Dash-8 fleet based at PHX. Maybe that changed...

User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Hopefully the departure of JO is in the term sheets.

Also, as a side note: the hard working rampers (and ramperettes) can kiss their $0.25 per year raises good-bye. I think now would be a better time to organize a union. JO has stated previously that if that happened, he would shut the company down. Which, then would almost force US to buy YV to continue their operation. Thus merging YV employees to be US employees.

All of the above is highly doubtful, but hey, a guy can dream.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7533 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 1):
This new agreeement only covers the 38 CR9 aircraft; in addition to the CR9s, YV currently operates 8 CRJ-200 and 6 DH8 aircraft. The CRJ-200 flying will end, as previously scheduled, in June 2012 while the 6 DH8 aircraft can be returned at anytime with a 6 month notice.

Somebody is going to but what's left. It's not big enough to be an airline of its own. OO or RJET.

Quoting flyorski (Reply 6):
Am I the only one who wants OO to get some US contracts?

See above.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8):

I would think US is buying time to resolve its labor issues so that it can send E-190s out to PHX.

The CR9 is a big out of hot and high airports, the E190 is somewhat better. They'd probably get more range that way.

Quoting yvphx (Reply 11):
Hopefully the departure of JO is in the term sheets.

                    


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3099 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8):

I'm not so sure about that. If US wanted CRJs/CR7s at PHX, they could have had YV put them there. They seem to be able to fill the CR9s and mainline planes on just about everything out of PHX other than the puddle jumps to small desert towns like YUM. Besides, I don't think the ratty all-Y CR9s would do wonders at CLT anyhow. The bankers and other important biz folks would much rather take a swanky E-jet with F.

I'm glad you mentioned the condition of YV/US' CR9s? Have they cleaned, updated the cabins and horrible seats on those CR9s? They seem to be the worst out there.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23202 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 9):
It lets US provide a high density service to communities that are not cannot support large aircraft( CLT-HPN/FAY, for example)

I don't know that there's a single way to describe how US deploys the CR9s in CLT. Wikipedia's list of CLT CR9 destinations, which is basically accurate, is ATL, AUS, BWI, BHM, CHS, CVG, CLE, DTW, FAY, MDT, JAX, MCI, TYS, SDF, LIT, MYR, BNA, MSY, LGA, EWR, ORF, PNS, RDU, STL, SAT, SAV, IAD and ILM. There have been other cities in the past, like JFK (which started as all-CR9 when JFK was a SHARES only station and East was still on Sabre). You certainly have thin routes on there like FAY and ILM, but you also have some routes where the range is a plus (MCI, AUS, SAT) and others where the CR9 is one of a wide range of aircraft, from 50-seaters to Airbii (BNA, LGA, BWI).



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4303 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting flyorski (Reply 6):
Am I the only one who wants OO to get some US contracts? I feel OO is limited flying for only UA/CO and DL, esp. since both of those are going to reshape up regionals and could potentially drop some routes especially as they move away from 200s. I think US could make an interesting additional customer for OO if they could get any contracts. Its just an unrealistic dream though.

Limited? Having contracts with both companies is a pretty good position to be in IMO, since both companies are pretty big. The DL flying certainly isn't going anywhere anytime soon (That includes the EV flying), and the UA flying will depend on ALPA negotiations concerning scope. The company that is limited right now is ZW, having only 70 200's with US, which is a company that is going to be much smaller than their competitors for the time being, and ZW's CRJ's are literally falling apart, and their management seems unable or unwilling to go out and actually do something to improve the company, using the pilot contract as an excuse for everything wrong with the company. If ZW doesn't get something in place before the US contract expires, that may be the end for them.

Right now OO is in great shape as is. One thing to keep an eye on at OO is the new Union election policies that came into play under Obama, which may make it harder for the pilots on the OO certificate to stay non-union, especially given some of the things I have heard that have been happening there lately (e.g. Dead heading pilots into a non-domicile hub to sit Ready Reserve when they get there, which is something that would never happen at a union company). Secondly, the other two companies that SkyWest inc operates are ALPA, and they will control more ALPA planes than non ALPA after the Expressjet deal closes.


User currently offlineUSXGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1039 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

YV operated 15 CRJ 700s for HPX out of PHX for a few years, when the "original" Freedom Airlines was certificated. At the time, due to scope clause issues out east, the CRJ 700s and CRJ 900s couldn't be flown on the Air Midwest or Mesa Airlines certificate, and Freedom was born to screw the scope clauses with the other airlines, hence "Freedom". When the scopes were relaxed, Freedom and Mesa did a lil flip flop - the ERJ 145s moved to the Freedom cert, and the CRJ 700s/900s were moved to the MA cert.

The 700s left PHX about the time HP had F cabin removed and the planes went to the UAX side of the house. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, YV had Beech 1900, Dash 8, CRJ 200, CRJ 700, and CRJ 900s out of there... quite the good range of equipment.



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User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Interestingly on the state of the airline webcast today, the question of adding F cabins to Express was raised, met with laughter, then acknowledgment of something in the works, but not ready to be announced.

User currently onlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1321 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 17):
Interestingly on the state of the airline webcast today, the question of adding F cabins to Express was raised, met with laughter, then acknowledgment of something in the works, but not ready to be announced.

Ha that was my question that I submitted for them to be answered. I too heard their response; but I'm glad they answered it. I really do believe a decision will be made soomer rather than latter since I believe they are at a competitive disadvantage without it. In CLT/DCA/PHL, the E170/175 are used on many key business routes that could really use F class. I think the E175s will definitely get it and then they will have to decide if they want to put it on the E170 or CR9. I personally think that the CR9s out in PHX would be better off staying coach since they compete more with WN. Obviously they wouldn't do only some of the CR9s so I do believe they will debate whether it's worth it to put F in those.


User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 18):

Ah that was you? Glad you asked! If memory serves me correct, when HP still had the CR9's equipped with F cabins it was something like 6F, 74Y? I could be mistaken, I'd only worked on them a number of times. Whatever the configuration being, it's way overdue - hope they follow through on it.


User currently onlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1321 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 19):
Ah that was you? Glad you asked! If memory serves me correct, when HP still had the CR9's equipped with F cabins it was something like 6F, 74Y? I could be mistaken, I'd only worked on them a number of times. Whatever the configuration being, it's way overdue - hope they follow through on it.

Yeah; They had said during the slot-swap agreement back in Aug 09 that they planned to use dual class cabins on more of the DCA flying, and seeing as they aren't taking anymore airplanes, I figured that was what they were implying. But I hadn't heard anything since then so I figured I would ask


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