globalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 800 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6865 times:
Wow! This is out of left field! I thought that WS and DL were close to an agreement? Wonder if WS will now join oneworld since WS just announced an agreement with CX?
GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6853 times:
I guess DFW and ORD are now a given for WS expansion into the lower 48.
elmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6691 times:
Quoting globalflyer (Thread starter): Wow! This is out of left field! I thought that WS and DL were close to an agreement? Wonder if WS will now join oneworld since WS just announced an agreement with CX?
It's an interline, nothing more, nothing less for now. You'll see plenty more.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6581 times:
Interesting. I wonder if AA will now take a look at some Canadian expansion. After all they now trail far behind UA/CO and DL in terms of network coverage...
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crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6556 times:
For now, this is just an interline agreement, which in itself isn't anything significant. But if you read the article, it says that the two airlines are exploring the possibility of further cooperation later on. Now this is something that, like with B6, could possibly lead to codesharing and more.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3169 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6529 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4): I wonder if AA will now take a look at some Canadian expansion. After all they now trail far behind UA/CO and DL in terms of network coverage...
AA has lagged behind UA/CO and DL in Canadian routes ever since Canadi>n was bought out by UA partner/Star Alliance member AC, eliminating a bunch of network coverage in Canada for AA. I remember "American/Canadi>n" signs at ORD like it was yesterday.
AMR Corporation once owned a stake in CP as well (not sure if they did in the end prior to the AC purchase).
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6466 times:
I always thought AA would be the preferred choice of a USA based carrier due to their broad network and weak presence in Canada. There should few issues with the compatibility of each others reservation and airport systems as they are both SABRE. This comes on the heals of the recent CX agreement and I expect to see BA added in the near future. With BA a possible future partner,it's difficult to say if WS will put less emphasis on it current interline agreement with AF/KL.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21213 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5997 times:
Quoting 9252fly (Reply 7): With BA a possible future partner,it's difficult to say if WS will put less emphasis on it current interline agreement with AF/KL.
Dumb question, maybe, but how does an airline emphasize one interline agreement over another?
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9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5886 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Dumb question, maybe, but how does an airline emphasize one interline agreement over another?
There are no dumb questions,just dumb answers. On the surface you don't,then again,I expect WS to possibly tweak it's schedule,etc,to accommodate it's preferred partners.
YYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 143 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5505 times:
I'm certain I'm not the only one who figgured something like this was going to happen.
Makes more sense to me a than Southwest interline agreement. This is a great start.
I have always wondered why Westjet never gave AA a run for their money on YYC - DFW. Will this kill any chance of seeing this competition?
Lots of fancy words (spin) describing each others product on the "Yahoo Finance" article. Decent people movers is all they are and I wish them well.
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ABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 832 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
I wonder if AA will now take a look at some Canadian expansion. After all they now trail far behind UA/CO and DL in terms of network coverage...
AA has lagged behind UA/CO and DL in Canadian routes ever since Canadi>n was bought out by UA partner/Star Alliance member AC, eliminating a bunch of network coverage in Canada for AA. I remember "American/Canadi>n" signs at ORD like it was yesterday.
AMR Corporation once owned a stake in CP as well (not sure if they did in the end prior to the AC purchase).
Yes, brought back memories of the late 90s, to me. This is a hole in the AA map, that is finally being filled in.
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5164 times:
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6): AMR Corporation once owned a stake in CP as well (not sure if they did in the end prior to the AC purchase).
It's been 10 years since AC acquired all the outstanding shares of CP including AA investment through a numbered company,which I recall was pennies on the dollar. If memory serves me right,CP was shortly after put into creditor protection to jettison some of it's debt before AC merged it's operations into it's own. What we essentially have here is a repeat and start of another trans-border relationship. It's no surprise that a deal has been made considering WS must have read the same news we have about the pending AC/UA trans-border joint venture which I consider significant in how it could change the landscape.
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1637 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5163 times:
Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 1): I guess DFW and ORD are now a given for WS expansion into the lower 48.
Probably not. It's not necessary. AA already serves both ORD and DFW from WS' two largest operations in YYZ and YYC.
Right now there is an AA MD-80 flying over my house.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5116 times:
Hey! How about WS and AS signing a commercial agreement!!! Probably not all that value-added, but would be cool! WS could fly SEA-YVR, SEA-YYC, SEA-YEG for combined service and put QX resources elsewhere. Then SEA-YYZ just to give AC a run for its money. LOL! I'm dreaming...I know.
tayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1082 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4838 times:
[more dreaming]Now all we need is QF to come to the party and for them to fly MEL-YVR and SYD-YVR once the 787s come online and it's good bye LAX transfers for Canadian-bound traffic, completely avoiding the US altogether.... win win win for Australian & Canadian OW travellers.[/more dreaming]
How long before WestJet goes down the Virgin Blue path - that being dumping the LCC image and going upmarket (so to speak)?
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4753 times:
Quoting tayser (Reply 16): How long before WestJet goes down the Virgin Blue path - that being dumping the LCC image and going upmarket (so to speak)?
WS has not really been a LCC as Canadians really don't trust LCC's since the Jetsgo fiasco of a few years ago. If you fly with WS, you will see service and a smile. They are more expensive for me though so I don't really get to fly them as much as I would like.
RP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 829 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4736 times:
Quoting 9252fly (Reply 13): news we have about the pending AC/UA trans-border joint venture which I consider significant in how it could change the landscape.
Could you (or anyone else) provide more details. How does this new agreement differ from the current one?
Longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4275 posts, RR: 36 Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
Quoting 9252fly (Reply 13): If memory serves me right,CP was shortly after put into creditor protection to jettison some of it's debt before AC merged it's operations into it's own.
It was a threat to the creditors, (although the debt was less than CAD 1B at the time), but CCAA was never actually entered. For those south of the 49th, CCAA is the Canadian version of Chapter 11. AC did however out CP into a precarious situation during the merger, as it took over the two greatest profit areas .... YYZ-NRT, and YYZ-LHR ... from CP.
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14): Probably not. It's not necessary. AA already serves both ORD and DFW from WS' two largest operations in YYZ and YYC.
I agree. AA already has a huge presence in Canada with feed from any point worth serving in the country to its hubs. I would imagine this deal is in response to the AC/UA announcement, and is most likely a marketing/code-share arrangement.
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ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4650 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4186 times:
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14): Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 1):
I guess DFW and ORD are now a given for WS expansion into the lower 48.
Probably not. It's not necessary. AA already serves both ORD and DFW from WS' two largest operations in YYZ and YYC.
What this could lead to is great frequencies or larger aircraft out of ORD and DFW to the major Canadian gateways. Back in the days of the AA/CP codeshare, AA used to fly MD-80s from ORD to YYC, because it feed traffic to CP. With no codeshare, that service is now with the Canadair 700.
With an interline agreement, connecting to WestJet at YYC becomes far easier. Over time, AA could upgrade the aircraft from the Canadair to an MD-80 or 738.
railker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3675 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 15): WS could fly SEA-YVR, SEA-YYC, SEA-YEG for combined service and put QX resources elsewhere.
If that was the case, they might go SEA-YYC and SEA-YEG, but they wouldn't cut into SEA-YVR, for the same reason they don't fly YVR-YYJ (and why I'm surprised Air Canada flies an A320 that route). You barely get up to 8,000 feet and you're already turning final for your next airport -- except that you have to fly halfway up the island and make the turn over Duncan to line up for the runway in YYJ, only reason the flight is so long. Wouldn't be very ... economical for larger aircraft, Q400 does it fine.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2554 times:
I would have to agree. The impression I get is the new CEO was brought in to map out and execute a plan for that transition. With his AS background,expect something along those lines with Virgin Blue as a possible guide to it's evolution.
25 GlobalCabotage: AA uses many RJs for ORD to YYC (seasonal) and YYZ. WS can easily fly ORD-YYC year round and bring jets back to ORD-YYZ, with frequency (but without F
26 Viscount724: In a heavy business travel market like that, few passengers are going to fly WS with a very poor frequent flyer program and no premium class service
27 GlobalCabotage: I flew WS from YYZ to YUL a couple of years ago, and you get what you pay for (or your company payes for). On short segments, I don't think F service
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