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AA & WS Announce Commercial Agreement  
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

Wow! This is out of left field! I thought that WS and DL were close to an agreement? Wonder if WS will now join oneworld since WS just announced an agreement with CX?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...et-prnews-1144216961.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

I guess DFW and ORD are now a given for WS expansion into the lower 48.

User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Thread starter):
Wow! This is out of left field! I thought that WS and DL were close to an agreement? Wonder if WS will now join oneworld since WS just announced an agreement with CX?

It's an interline, nothing more, nothing less for now. You'll see plenty more.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 1):
I guess DFW and ORD are now a given for WS expansion into the lower 48.

That makes sense, since WestJet already serves all of AA's LAX and MIA hubs. But don't forget JFK or LGA to feed into AA there, too.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Interesting. I wonder if AA will now take a look at some Canadian expansion. After all they now trail far behind UA/CO and DL in terms of network coverage...


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User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

For now, this is just an interline agreement, which in itself isn't anything significant. But if you read the article, it says that the two airlines are exploring the possibility of further cooperation later on. Now this is something that, like with B6, could possibly lead to codesharing and more.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
I wonder if AA will now take a look at some Canadian expansion. After all they now trail far behind UA/CO and DL in terms of network coverage...

AA has lagged behind UA/CO and DL in Canadian routes ever since Canadi>n was bought out by UA partner/Star Alliance member AC, eliminating a bunch of network coverage in Canada for AA. I remember "American/Canadi>n" signs at ORD like it was yesterday.

AMR Corporation once owned a stake in CP as well (not sure if they did in the end prior to the AC purchase).



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7298 times:

I always thought AA would be the preferred choice of a USA based carrier due to their broad network and weak presence in Canada. There should few issues with the compatibility of each others reservation and airport systems as they are both SABRE. This comes on the heals of the recent CX agreement and I expect to see BA added in the near future. With BA a possible future partner,it's difficult to say if WS will put less emphasis on it current interline agreement with AF/KL.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22993 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 7):
With BA a possible future partner,it's difficult to say if WS will put less emphasis on it current interline agreement with AF/KL.

Dumb question, maybe, but how does an airline emphasize one interline agreement over another?



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5271 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Dumb question, maybe, but how does an airline emphasize one interline agreement over another?

Not really dumb because I've wondered the same thing. Codeshares are one thing, but what about interlines? Can anyone help out w/this?



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6718 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

Dumb question, maybe, but how does an airline emphasize one interline agreement over another?

There are no dumb questions,just dumb answers. On the surface you don't,then again,I expect WS to possibly tweak it's schedule,etc,to accommodate it's preferred partners.


User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

I'm certain I'm not the only one who figgured something like this was going to happen.
Makes more sense to me a than Southwest interline agreement. This is a great start.

I have always wondered why Westjet never gave AA a run for their money on YYC - DFW. Will this kill any chance of seeing this competition?

Lots of fancy words (spin) describing each others product on the "Yahoo Finance" article. Decent people movers is all they are and I wish them well.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
I wonder if AA will now take a look at some Canadian expansion. After all they now trail far behind UA/CO and DL in terms of network coverage...

AA has lagged behind UA/CO and DL in Canadian routes ever since Canadi>n was bought out by UA partner/Star Alliance member AC, eliminating a bunch of network coverage in Canada for AA. I remember "American/Canadi>n" signs at ORD like it was yesterday.

AMR Corporation once owned a stake in CP as well (not sure if they did in the end prior to the AC purchase).

Yes, brought back memories of the late 90s, to me. This is a hole in the AA map, that is finally being filled in.

JD CRPXE



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
AMR Corporation once owned a stake in CP as well (not sure if they did in the end prior to the AC purchase).

It's been 10 years since AC acquired all the outstanding shares of CP including AA investment through a numbered company,which I recall was pennies on the dollar. If memory serves me right,CP was shortly after put into creditor protection to jettison some of it's debt before AC merged it's operations into it's own. What we essentially have here is a repeat and start of another trans-border relationship. It's no surprise that a deal has been made considering WS must have read the same news we have about the pending AC/UA trans-border joint venture which I consider significant in how it could change the landscape.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 1):
I guess DFW and ORD are now a given for WS expansion into the lower 48.

Probably not. It's not necessary. AA already serves both ORD and DFW from WS' two largest operations in YYZ and YYC.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5948 times:
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Hey! How about WS and AS signing a commercial agreement!!! Probably not all that value-added, but would be cool! WS could fly SEA-YVR, SEA-YYC, SEA-YEG for combined service and put QX resources elsewhere. Then SEA-YYZ just to give AC a run for its money. LOL! I'm dreaming...I know.

User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

[more dreaming]Now all we need is QF to come to the party and for them to fly MEL-YVR and SYD-YVR once the 787s come online and it's good bye LAX transfers for Canadian-bound traffic, completely avoiding the US altogether.... win win win for Australian & Canadian OW travellers.[/more dreaming]

How long before WestJet goes down the Virgin Blue path - that being dumping the LCC image and going upmarket (so to speak)?


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 16):
How long before WestJet goes down the Virgin Blue path - that being dumping the LCC image and going upmarket (so to speak)?



WS has not really been a LCC as Canadians really don't trust LCC's since the Jetsgo fiasco of a few years ago. If you fly with WS, you will see service and a smile. They are more expensive for me though so I don't really get to fly them as much as I would like.



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 13):
news we have about the pending AC/UA trans-border joint venture which I consider significant in how it could change the landscape.

Could you (or anyone else) provide more details. How does this new agreement differ from the current one?


User currently offlineLonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4979 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 13):
If memory serves me right,CP was shortly after put into creditor protection to jettison some of it's debt before AC merged it's operations into it's own.


It was a threat to the creditors, (although the debt was less than CAD 1B at the time), but CCAA was never actually entered. For those south of the 49th, CCAA is the Canadian version of Chapter 11. AC did however out CP into a precarious situation during the merger, as it took over the two greatest profit areas .... YYZ-NRT, and YYZ-LHR ... from CP.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
Probably not. It's not necessary. AA already serves both ORD and DFW from WS' two largest operations in YYZ and YYC.


I agree. AA already has a huge presence in Canada with feed from any point worth serving in the country to its hubs. I would imagine this deal is in response to the AC/UA announcement, and is most likely a marketing/code-share arrangement.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 1):
I guess DFW and ORD are now a given for WS expansion into the lower 48.

Probably not. It's not necessary. AA already serves both ORD and DFW from WS' two largest operations in YYZ and YYC.

What this could lead to is great frequencies or larger aircraft out of ORD and DFW to the major Canadian gateways. Back in the days of the AA/CP codeshare, AA used to fly MD-80s from ORD to YYC, because it feed traffic to CP. With no codeshare, that service is now with the Canadair 700.

With an interline agreement, connecting to WestJet at YYC becomes far easier. Over time, AA could upgrade the aircraft from the Canadair to an MD-80 or 738.


User currently offlinerailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
WS could fly SEA-YVR, SEA-YYC, SEA-YEG for combined service and put QX resources elsewhere.

If that was the case, they might go SEA-YYC and SEA-YEG, but they wouldn't cut into SEA-YVR, for the same reason they don't fly YVR-YYJ (and why I'm surprised Air Canada flies an A320 that route). You barely get up to 8,000 feet and you're already turning final for your next airport -- except that you have to fly halfway up the island and make the turn over Duncan to line up for the runway in YYJ, only reason the flight is so long. Wouldn't be very ... economical for larger aircraft, Q400 does it fine.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
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Quoting railker (Reply 21):
they wouldn't cut into SEA-YVR

Why not? AS does it now and Pacific Western did it with 737-200's back in the day.


User currently offlinedrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 16):
How long before WestJet goes down the Virgin Blue path - that being dumping the LCC image and going upmarket (so to speak)?

That boat has long since sailed.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting drgmobile (Reply 23):
That boat has long since sailed.

I would have to agree. The impression I get is the new CEO was brought in to map out and execute a plan for that transition. With his AS background,expect something along those lines with Virgin Blue as a possible guide to it's evolution.


25 GlobalCabotage : AA uses many RJs for ORD to YYC (seasonal) and YYZ. WS can easily fly ORD-YYC year round and bring jets back to ORD-YYZ, with frequency (but without F
26 Viscount724 : In a heavy business travel market like that, few passengers are going to fly WS with a very poor frequent flyer program and no premium class service
27 GlobalCabotage : I flew WS from YYZ to YUL a couple of years ago, and you get what you pay for (or your company payes for). On short segments, I don't think F service
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