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West Atlantic Launch Customer For A320 Cargo  
User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

AerCap Holdings today announced that it has placed the first converted Airbus A320s freighters from its fleet on lease with European cargo operator West Atlantic. ... West Atlantic will become launch operator for the A320 P2Fs by taking an initial three aircraft on lease from AerCap with deliveries between 2012 and mid-2013, with the option of a further four aircraft by 2015.

http://www.afc.aero/FNCMSFiles/mood_news.jpg

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...ircraft-from-aercap-105258963.html

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

I'm not understanding this correctly. Are these new A320's that are going to be converted once delivered, or used A320's that already served in the pax market?


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

B6JFKH81

We speak here of second hand planes.AerCap has ordered 30 A320/321s second hand to be converted as freighter.


Who is West Atlantic ? Which country ?


User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

The rear cargo door really looks distinctive.

The 321 is quite interesting as B727 replacement.


But who is the first customer...?


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

ATWOnline says West Atlantic is a Swedish Goteborg based freighter airline.

Is West Atlantic the new name of West Air , or a new airline ?


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ays-certification-of-a320-ptf.html



More about A320PTF.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1241 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

West air merged with an English carrier called Atlantic.
New name West Atlantic.

Have seen many BAe ATP freighters operating for them. Not a small freighter company.
Must be one of Europes largest independent freighter airlines?



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Quoting 328JET (Reply 3):
The 321 is quite interesting as B727 replacement.

The 727s that have mostly been replaced by 757s?  



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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 7):
The 727s that have mostly been replaced by 757s?

Exactly that one...

An A321P2F has much lower operating costs than a B752F.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3207 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Interesting development.
An A320 cargo outfit is gonna do much better than a 737 frieghter for the simple
reason the lower deck is already cargo container hold ready, and the upper deck is wider, and
does not taper forward in the main cabin towards the front (read more consistant usable space volume
wise) as the 737 does.

As for the 757, that one is interesting. 757s are going to probably be cheaper to buy (though they are in
demand because of their range) and 757s are going to offer much higher takeoff weights, something
that will definately appeal to certain cargo markets. But if Aircraft Utilisation is low, as is often the case
with frieght aircraft (lets say it only flys about 4 hrs a day... say 2 x 2 hr segments at night, or 4 x 1 hr segments
to link up a frieght up) then will the fuel savings make it worthwhile?

Of course one would expect being newer the A321 to have a longer service life so that may help offset the investment
required to convert the aircraft.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
We speak here of second hand planes.AerCap has ordered 30 A320/321s second hand to be converted as freighter.

Copy that. I was thinking that was the case!



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User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4029 times:
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For those unfamiliar with West Atlantic, here is a photo of one of their ATPs. Most of their fleet is still in West Air or Atlantic Airlines colors.

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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

That's a very big step up from flying small 30+ year old props around Europe.

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 9):

Very correct, also where will there price of fuel in the next few years?



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2964 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

what are possible routes for an A320F within Europe?

User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Quoting 328JET (Reply 3):
The 321 is quite interesting as B727 replacement.
Quoting gkirk (Reply 7):
The 727s that have mostly been replaced by 757s?

So they will replace some 757s in that case?

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 10):
Copy that. I was thinking that was the case!

P2F stands for Pax to Freight.



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 15):
So they will replace some 757s in that case?

Smaller capacity, less range?



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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 3421 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 15):
So they will replace some 757s in that case?

In the medium to long run most likely yes, as there is no alternative to the A321 in the freighter market.


 


User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Looking at the Flightglobal article, these P2F conversions look as though they will be excellent value for money. $9-11mil per unit including conversion cost will probably be very attractive to the likes of TNT and Air Contractors, especially as they have greater capacity than their current 737's.

I wonder how much lower the operating weight will be compared to the pax version?



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