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Do Airbus Builts Military Jets?  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 908 times:

I'm not sure if this topic fits the Civil Aviation forum.

But I'm wondering do Airbus builts military jets? (like KC135)

The reason why I'm asking this Q, is because I saw this report.


Translated in English:
French and German government has announced that they'll order a improved-Airbus military-use transportation jet during the Le Bourget Air Show later this month. This was announced on June 12, during a conference between the 2 countries.

At least 9 countries are expected to order Airbus A400M Military-use transportation jet during the Air Show, which starts from June 16 to June 24.

Germany will be the largest customer for this jet. Germany has issued a statement that they'll buy 73 A400M. The total order for the 9 countries will be 223 jets.

Besides Germany's 73 order of A400M, France will order 50, 27 for Spain, 25 for UK, 20 for Turkey, 16 for Italy, and the rest will be ordered by Portugal, Belgium, and Luxembourg.


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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 879 times:

Please point out that should this post move to Military jet forum or not.

The reason why I'm not sure, because I don't think Airbus ever builts military jets.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

The A310 is widely used as a military transport.

The Luftwaffe ones can be frequently seen at ORD or ELP.


User currently offline767-322ETOPS From United States of America, joined May 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 866 times:

They don't make them yet, but in a few weeks they are planning to roll out a military transport called the A400M.



User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 704 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Airbus does not make purpose built military jets. Some of their passenger planes are used as military transport.

However, Airbus is owned by two European aerospace companies: European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS) and BAE Systems. Both companies are heavily involved in the military market and their main source of revenues are military sales and government contracts.

By the way, some people claim that Boeing "subsidizes" their commercial airplane operations via huge government contracts in their military branch. Well, exactly the same is true for Airbus. The difference is that Boeing is openly in the military market, while in case of Airbus the funds flow through the parent companies. But Airbus benefits from military and government contracts as much (or more) as Boeing.



User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 847 times:

Dear Katekebo,

I see that one more time you want to introduce an A vs B war.
Do you have facts and numbers for what you say ?

"But Airbus benefits from military and government contracts as much (or more) as Boeing"


User currently offlineBOS-CDG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 835 times:

Airbus will launch a military transport A/C.
We are talking about an Airbus entity part of AIC, not a structure EADS related outside Airbus like mentioned
previously...
See http://www.airbus-military.com/

E.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 827 times:


Katekebo,

EADS gets most of its profits from Airbus, not the military projects.



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 828 times:

Sebolino,

Like you said, let's not start an A vs. B war, but you can have a look at EADS's and Boeing financials on the web.

EADS earned 59% of their money from military/government contracts in 2000. Since EADS was only recently created, they don't have earlier statements.

Boeing earned 66%, 66%, and 61% of their revenue from commercial aircraft in 1998, 1999 and 2000, respectively. 2000 was a bad year for Boeing - Military contracts stayed constant, but commercial sales took a hit due to labor problems.

http://www.finance.eads.net/ekey.html

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/financial/finreports/annual/00annualreport/pdf/2000_financial_sec.pdf

Charles


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Oh, poop. Sorry, that should have read: "EADS earned 59% of their money from commercial aircraft in 2000"

Should proofread more often...:o

Charles



User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 704 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 822 times:

I am not interested in any kind of A vs. B war. The fact is that both EADS and BAE are primarily military contractors and most of their business is in the military area. For more info, you can read publically available information about these companies:
http://www.baesystems.com
http://www.eads.net
http://www.boeing.com

Go to Investors Relations and do some numbers.

Combined BAE and EADS sales are $40b. Out of that, 42% comes from commercial airplanes (Airbus).

Boeing sales are $51b. Out of that, 58% comes from commercial airplanes.

All numbers based on official 2000 Annual Reports (rounded to nearest billion).

In addition to the fact that most of the revenues of Airbus parent companies come from their military business (contrary to Boeing), Airbus has been openly subsidized by the European governments to gain independence from the the American monopoly in aerospace industry.

There is no doubt that Boeing benefits a lot from military and government contracts. But the same is even more true for Airbus.

Just to set the facts straight.




User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 704 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 817 times:

details are:

BAE:
sales: $18b
commercial airplanes: 22% ($4b)

EADS:
sales: $22b
commercial airplanes: 59% ($13b)

total BAE+EADS:
sales: $40b
commercial airplanes (Airbus): $17b (42%)



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 815 times:

Getting back to the original topic......

With the exception of those conversions and New built A-300/310 aircraft. Airbus does not now have in production or will have in production a specifically designed military Jet.

Can I be sure of this......Yes.......Why you ask?

In it's latest form the A.400 is a Turboprop not a jet. Smile/happy/getting dizzy



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 810 times:

Remember that Airbus is simply the commercial jet branch of EADS. The A400 is the first diversion of that principle. Military products have not been part of Airbus' portfolio because the parent company(ies) keep that for themselves - not because Airbus is some kind of green, peace-loving organization.


Charles


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