gregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 523 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 58717 times:
Looks like they deviated a bit to flyover CLE on their way to the east coast.
Currently just off the coast of New Jersey making their way south towards Washington
congaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 58702 times:
Had a biz trip to SEA earlier this week, and took a ride past BFI. There they were, on the north end of the field, at least six B787's in the gathering twilight. What impresses me most is how large this plane is when something to scale (like people and vehicles) is right next to it. I took a lame picture with my iPhone...
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1786 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 57748 times:
According Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf" one of the 787 test aircraft will visit AMS.
Scheduled is a flight from the USA toward Paris, thereafter the aircraft will be landing at AMS at November 5.
On November 6 the return flight is scheduled.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 57131 times:
Quoting gregarious119 (Reply 2): Looks like they deviated a bit to flyover CLE on their way to the east coast.
Avoiding Canadian airspace.
Most gorgeous aircraft: Tu-204-300, 757-200, A330-200, 777-200LR, 787-8
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 57075 times:
LY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 851 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 56898 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
Question: how difficult it is to arrange a country fly-over/fly-through? Especially for a experimental plane like the 787 test birds.
For example, ZA006 is over Canada as I write and looks to fly over several more countries en route to CDG.
My guess would be that the previous flight on ZA004 was when the airplane was under test conditions, and the flight for ZA006 is a ferry flight. That likely impacts whether or not it's acceptable to overfly another country - or whether or not the pilots bothered arranging the overfly prior to flight. Obviously, the ZA006 flight plan was to go over Canada, etc, so they planned for it as opposed to ZA004 maybe not expecting to have to overfly anything other than the US.
bikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1596 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 56840 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8): Certainly treaties have made this a matter of routine, but filing paperwork might be enough a deterrence to avoid it if you can.
Along with paperwork, isn't there a fee for overflight? If that is the case, then avoiding a fee is as good a reason as any.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 56498 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8): Question: how difficult it is to arrange a country fly-over/fly-through?
It depends on the country. Canada/US is really (really really) easy.
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8): Especially for a experimental plane like the 787 test birds.
Under an experimental ticket, the special conditions on the ticket define where you can and can't fly. If you go outside the jurisdiction of the issuing government (outside the US in this case) you need to tell the regulator of the countries you will overfly as well.
Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 9): My guess would be that the previous flight on ZA004 was when the airplane was under test conditions, and the flight for ZA006 is a ferry flight. That likely impacts whether or not it's acceptable to overfly another country
Boeing stated publicly that ZA003 was doing testing to/from Farnborough, so it's obviously not an impossibility to test over another country. The certificate is the same, even if the operations are different.
Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 9): whether or not the pilots bothered arranging the overfly prior to flight.
That's not something you can do without prior coordination with the regulator, and it's hard to do in flight...the only reason you'd overfly a country you didn't plan to would be an emergency or a navigation error.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 56366 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8): For example, ZA006 is over Canada as I write and looks to fly over several more countries en route to CDG.
Should be there by now, yes? Glad some more of our fellow a.nuts get to see this beautiful machine. Hope the guys in AMS get a chance to go out to check it out as well. I'm so spoiled living in the Seattle area, we see them zipping around the skies over Puget Sound regularly.
Hope to see some reports from our French and Dutch members in the next couple days
pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 55863 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 11): Boeing stated publicly that ZA003 was doing testing to/from Farnborough, so it's obviously not an impossibility to test over another country. The certificate is the same, even if the operations are different.
And that trip alone covered a number of countries. Canada and the UK for sure, and while I don't remember the exact flight path, Greenland (Denmark) and Iceland were also likely.
EstorilM From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 55545 times:
Quoting tbloemink (Reply 17): Im probably going tomorrow, can't wait to finally see it!
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5156 posts, RR: 49 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 55513 times:
EstorilM From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 55425 times:
Hmm how can I tell if any of them will make their way over here to IAD? I'm trying to narrow things down on flightaware / flightstats to no avail.
tbloemink From Netherlands, joined Mar 2010, 114 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 54979 times:
She was in hangar 11, which we saw from the road. We saw a tail with a 7 on it, but nothing else because of a concrete wall. Then we went to a spotter place at the Polderbaan, which we stayed for an hour and saw her take off Wonderful, so quiet when comparing with a 777.
mdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 54539 times:
According to http://787flighttest.com/ the four Roll-Royce flight-test aircraft ZA001-04 have surpassed the 2000 flight hour milestone.
25 Gordomatic: Didn't see this anywhere else on ANet. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/09/boeing.dreamliner.emergency/ ATLANTA (CNN) -- A new Boeing 787 Dreamliner
26 Stitch: 787 Test Flight Evacuated Due To Smoke (by ScarletHarlot Nov 9 2010 in Civil Aviation) (looks like the mods killed the other one)
27 nomadd22: Appears there won't be many flight tests to report for a while. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/business/11boeing.html?src=busln "Boeing halted test
28 mdword1959: Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) reports ZA004 was being ferried from BFI to PAE on Friday evening. http://kpae.blogspot.com/2010/11/787-update-november-19.html
29 Ronaldo747: According to Matt Cawby, LN023 (JA822J) of JAL gets its engines (GEnx) installed now or in the next few days. It that the plane (or one of the product
30 Rheinbote: Would make sense - ZA001 to ZA006 are very likely to have conformity issues, i.e. they are not fully "production representative" - LN20 onwards is the
31 Stitch: I could see how LN23 could be helpful both for GEnx certification and for giving Boeing a baseline how the "Tranche 20" airframes will compare with th
32 Ronaldo747: But this should/could mean good news on further flight tests in the near term, isn't it?
33 dynamicsguy: Probably a poor choice of words, but since these airplanes were built under the same production system they should have no non-conformities which are
34 mdword1959: Matt Cawby (KPAE blog) reports that ZA003 (N787BX) was ferried from PAE to BFI on Sunday. Possibly a sign that flight-test will be resuming soon? See:
35 mdword1959: AirlineReporter.com reports that ZA001 was ferried from BFI to PAE on Friday, there's a photo gallery link as well. http://blog.seattlepi.com/airliner
36 JoeCanuck: Dangit...no matter how many times that beeoch lies to me, I still love that bird. Get these damned things in the air, already...
37 Rheinbote: May be. What is clear is that LN1-LN6 are not fully representative of the production standard, neither are ZY997 and ZY998. At some point the FAA is
38 tdscanuck: Theres not really any such thing as "production standard"...every aircraft is at least a little bit different. The key is whether the system under te
39 kanban: also every piece of test hardware, penetration, sensor, cabling, software change, is documented .. and the out of sequence manufacturing plans have b
40 mdword1959: Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) reports that the fuselage of the static test airframe (ZY997) was removed from Bldg. 40-23 (where the testing was conducted) to
41 Rheinbote: Yes, but deviations have to stay within certain limits, otherwise there would be no point in type and production certificates. Yes, but you cannot de
42 kanban: Changes are all cleared with the FAA, do they need to retest or test each change, no .. no more than because each customer has a different paint sche
43 tdscanuck: For the type certificate, there is a limit, but they won't get anywhere close to it with the test vs. delivery airplane configuration differences. Th
44 mdword1959: Today marks the first anniversary of the Dreamliner's maiden flight, one wonders if Boeing will have anything to say.
45 mdword1959: Guy Norris (AWST) posted " 787's first year of flight tests - a retrospective' in his blog yesterday: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...186f57-90
46 JoeCanuck: Here's hoping but that's along way from believing...
47 jetfuel: Boeing said it had installed updated power system software and conducted rigorous reviews to confirm flight readiness after it was forced to halt test
48 mdword1959: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2013749588_dreamliner24.html See also Press Release from Boeing: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=
49 United787: Has there been any new news regarding the 787's return to certification flight testing? NYC787 was hoping that might happen today... http://nyc787.blo
50 sasd209: Looks like it may have: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20110103/1930Z/KBFI/KMWH
51 catdaddy63: Looks like ZA004 diverted to PAE according to flightaware on her return from MWH. Appears to have originally filed for BFI.
52 NYC777: I don't think it's a return to certification test flights but rather a continuation of Boeing test flights. ZA004 diverted to Paine Field after leavin
53 PlanesNTrains: Then it looks like it went on to BFI afterwards, arriving at 3:03pm. -Dave
54 JoeCanuck: While I understand Boeing keeping mum until they have some reliable information, it still sucks that we don't know their plans. It's a real tease havi
55 nomadd22: You'd think they'd realize the importance of this place, what with all the experts who know more about the planes and program than Boeing does. I'm s
56 okie: One would assume part of the test procedures would require deploying the RAT which in turn would require a landing to restow the RAT along with the t
57 catdaddy63: ZA001 scheduled to fly today! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1
58 abibus: I hope and would love to see that now everything will work. Wish Boeing and the 787 all the best. From a personal view i have a strange feeling when I
59 ER757: That link shows a flight four weeks ago now. Maybe today's flight isn't happening now?
60 mdword1959: Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) has posted a video of ZA004's departure from Paine Field yesterday. See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/01/paine-field-january-4
61 catdaddy63: After the false alarm yesterday in flightaware, ZA001 is on her third flight of the day! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1
62 starrion: They are racking up a fair number of hours for non-certification testing. Hopefully they will be back on the clock soon.
63 catdaddy63: ZA004 just arrived in Yuma. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE4
64 mdword1959: Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) has posted a video of the ZA001 taking off from PAE on a test flight for the first time since 12/3/10 on Wednesday. See: http:/
65 Stitch: ALL THINGS 787 is reporting that certification flight tests could begin in about a week and that ZA102 will be the first production airframe to fly, s
66 catdaddy63: ZA001 is currently in BIL, scheduled back to BFI. ZA005 is currently airborne from BFI on a short flight, flightaware shows 50 minutes total. ZA004 is
67 IMissPiedmont: Billings, again. Though it's nice to know they are flying again I wish one would make a jaunt down here to Tucson.
68 Stitch: Guy Norris is also reporting that the FAA appears ready to sign off on allowing Boeing to resume certification testing at the end of this week. ZA002
69 starrion: It's great to see them flying again. It's great they're starting certification testing again. I am starting to get a nasty feeling that another shoe (
70 Hamlet69: Boeing (and the FAA/EASA) need to verify that the fix is THE fix. I.e., that it is working like it is supposed to and there are no other hidden probl
71 Stitch: I imagine it depends on what the fix entails. If it's pure software, it should have effectively zero impact on ramp-up since they can just "flash the
72 Scipio: EASA sees (hopes for) certification in H2: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...g-787-approval-by-end-of-2011.html Since they are working very close
73 mffoda: OK there... This is the Title of the article - "European Safety Agency Sees Boeing 787 Approval by End of 2011" The schedule’s not clear because Bo
74 WarpSpeed: Couldn't Boeing deliver frames LIFO fashion (i.e. fresh off the line first) to incorporate mods inline to lessen the parallels to the SOB and HorzSta
75 Stitch: Boeing have stated they will possibly delver some later-build frames before some early-build frames due to the earlier frames possibly needing some a
76 jnj561: Looks like the 787 was doing touch and go's at DEN yesterday - wish I would have been able to know it was coming in advance! http://denver.cbslocal.co
77 KPDX: From the article: "DENVER (CBS4) – One of only 20 new massive jumbo jets in the world landed in Denver on Tuesday. Pilots took test runs with Boein
78 DocLightning: Approval and EIS are two different things. Approval must happen before EIS. Thus, if approval happens 4Q2011, then EIS would be 1-2Q2012. And that as
79 dynamicsguy: A 5.5 year delay is EIS of November 2013. We're not nearly that bad... yet.
80 tarheelwings: You're tying EASA approval to EIS...........correct me if I'm wrong but EASA approval is not needed for the early 787s that are scheduled to be deliv
81 b78710: I would assume it would have to be EASA approved before it can fly into an EASA member state. I'm not sure where the early operators intend to fly th
82 tdscanuck: To my knowledge, there is no need for EASA type certification for ANA or any of the other early customers. FAA type certificationl alone is not suffi
83 hannahpa: Any word on the progress of the 787-9??? First flight??? Just getting a little impatient....
84 Stitch: NH and JL will use them domestically within Japan at least at first for crew familiarization. The Japanese Aviation Authorities will not allow ETOPS-
85 DocLightning: We're looking at 2012 now. That's less than two years off the total 777 development time. Over 60% of it. Truly impressive. That does not necessarily
86 Stitch: Clearly you don't need ETOPS for Japan-EU operations except for the short hop across the Sea of Japan. What I was noting was that for NH and JL, it d
87 bikerthai: Time to nit pick . . . ETOPs are with respect to "flying time from an emergency or diversion airport." But your point is taken by most here cause I d
88 Scipio: If you read the article that I linked to in its entirety and without any bias, you will understand that EASA intends to certify the B787 with minimum
89 MarshalN: What's wrong with landing in China? Their airports are a lot nicer and newer than, say, American ones, for one.
90 328JET: For some people, every place in the world outside the US or Europe, is crowded of people which still spend their lifes on trees...
91 gregarious119: Just read on twitter that ZA102 is scheduled for first flight on Monday Jan 17. Reg has been updated to N1006F. Excellent news...I hope it can get thr
92 mdword1959: Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) posted photos and video of L/N 9 (ZA102) on his blog Saturday. See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/01/787-update-january-15.htm
93 JBirdAV8r: And then there are those who realize that China consists of much more than just places like Beijing and Shanghai.
94 328JET: Yes, how many towns with a population of more than a million has china...? And how many international served airports...?
95 JoeCanuck: Indeed...and how right they would be. It also consists of huge swaths of desert, mountain ranges, jungle and swamp.
96 WNWatcher: According to Flight Global, Boeing will be Resuming Flight testing of the 787 on Monday, the 17th of January, 2011. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/
97 tdscanuck: They resumed flight testing more than a week ago. This article is about resumption of *certification* flight testing. Still a very important mileston
98 COS777: Set up an alert on FlightAware to send you a notification whenever an airplane files a flight plan with aircraft type B788 and a destination of KDEN.
99 simpilot459: No flight plan yet on Flight Aware. They did an engine run around on it around 10:30 this morning. For anyone interested, Ethiopian 772 and unpainted
100 OldAeroGuy: Over the past ten years or so, the usual process has been same day FAA/EASA (or JAA) cert for new airplanes or major derivatives. I expect the 787 wi
101 AirlineReporter: ZA102 engines were running for a while, then shut down. Left engine cowl was opened and seemed like they were working on it. Weather is starting to ge
103 tristarsteve: There is no requirement for EASA approval until an aircraft is delivered to an EASA airline. Under ICAO rules and aircraft approved in an ICAO countr
104 tdscanuck: They haven't changed. If the 787 gets FAA approval it's welcome to fly into Europe *unless* EASA specifically blacklists them. Although possible that
105 SCL767: Initially, LAN will deploy the B787-816s on new routes to Europe from South America and on existing B767-316 operated routes e.g. SCL-LIM-LAX, SCL-ME
106 catdaddy63: Flightaware shows a flight plan filed for ZA102. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE102 ZA001 currently airborne on its second flight today. BFI-MW
107 mdword1959: ZA102/LN9/N6066Z/JA802A made her maiden flight today. See: http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/236326.asp#comments
108 brons2: Where can I find a video of this? I guess 787 first flights are starting to become old hat, eh? Looked on Boeing.com and YouTube.
110 markalot: From this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38619847@N05/5372134368/ Is that a normal gear configuration?
111 tdscanuck: Depends if the gear is positioned by a tilt actuator (in which case it's a weird configuration) or aerodynamically (in which case it could be normal)
112 mdword1959: Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) has posted a video of ZA102 performing a touch and go and auto-landing at PAE . See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/01/paine-fie
113 United787: Looks like ZA006 flew again for the first time since being in Amsterdam in early November...hopefully we will see ZA003 up again soon! Boeing has real
114 ER757: Man, I just love the sound of those engines!
115 JoeCanuck: Maybe it's just the time release cold capsules kicking in, but I am getting very optimistic about the 787. Even the fire thing really didn't seem like
116 328JET: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...eptember-handover-set-for-787.html Delivery of the first B787-8 to be in september - so at the end of the third
118 catdaddy63: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE5 ZA005 on her way to LPB for high altitude testing!
119 tdscanuck: And it looks like ZA003 is finally about to head back up as well...I think that would mark the return of all 6 original test aircraft to flying status
120 Kaiarahi: What are the Chilean requirements for ETOPS certification?
121 tdscanuck: ETOPS-180 would cover all the routes to Europe. SCL-AKL is ETOPS-330 if you go great circle, but can be done ETOPS-180 if you bend to the north. Tom.
122 gregarious119: Busy day indeed for the flight tests - lets see if I can figure out all my Flightaware alert emails: ZA001 > 3 Hr. flight BFI - BFI ZA002 > 1 Hr
123 Kaiarahi: Sorry, my question wasn't clear. I was really wondering if the Chilean aviation authorities will allow ETOPS on a new type from day 1, as post 105 se
124 Part147: http://www.aviationbusiness.com.au/n...787-program-not-in-a-loss-position "We are currently operating at two per month production rate in final and de
125 Stitch: It's still a higher rate than any other widebody model and the 787 has front-loaded a significant number of orders, so the initial backlog is immense
126 SEPilot: That is assuming that there will be no further rampup, which is not the case. That is probably why they are building the second line in Charlestown.
127 Bogi: A solution more: In Wischhafen / Stade / Germany is the world's first industrial recycling plant for CFRP components went into operation: http://www.t
128 A340Spotter: And is scheduled to be coming back to the US with an 18hr stopover in IAH Wednesday evening-Thursday morning. JSD
129 catdaddy63: Spotter alert!! ZA005 flying to IAH today! Returning to the USA from LPB. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE5
130 bikerthai: Was that the first time the 787 visited South America? bikerthai
131 hiflyer: Guess the IAH stop on return is so the boys at the new United can kick the tires....guess their first one should be coming down the line soon. Matt's
132 spacemanuk: Well its looking pretty good and hopeful it all goes to plan B-) . http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2011/02/flying-wings-off.html
133 catdaddy63: Just a guess that the fresher built frames are much closer to flight ready when they come off the line. Adds credence to the rumor that some of the n
134 dynamicsguy: It is likely that these airplanes are being prepared for ferry flights to San Antonio where change incorporation and rework will take place. It is fa
135 Ronaldo747: On twitter: I think that ln23 will join the flight test program soon, for additional etops-testing as a GE-powered bird. Would make sense.
136 nomadd22: It never occured to me to wonder until reading Jon's latest, but does ETOPs testing involve actually flying the whole distance on one engine?
137 tdscanuck: Yes, repeatedly. You need to prove that the whole system (engine + airplane) can operate for the certified ETOPS duration on a single engine by actua
138 sunrisevalley: How many minutes are they going for? 330?
139 tdscanuck: I've never seen an outright public statement that they're going for 330, but reading between the lines in this Boeing Aero article, that's what it lo
140 NYC777: No, Boein has told me that this airplane will NOT be joining the flight test program..They're perfectly happy with the 7 that are flying right now.
141 Stitch: Is the A330 family's ETOPS-240 rating still EASA-specific, or has the ICAO adopted it?
142 328JET: ETOPS 330 for the airframe is nice to have, but which airline is certified for ETOPS 330? None! The maximum certified limit is ETOPS 207 in the momen
143 Stitch: The A330 was certified, at least by EASA, for 240 minutes ETOPS in 2009. I do not know if any national regulatory body has approved an airline to ope
144 kanban: found this video with interesting crew comments filmed in Houston Also in the first night landing I've seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jDldCEg5os
145 kanban: a mini report that the test plan is on schedule to allow 3rd qtr deliveries http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...tests-fancher-says.html?cmpid=yhoo
146 regliner: yes, went down there for high altitude testing
147 N328KF: How many 787s are fully assembled now? Looks like we're having a 747-style stacked delivery going on here.
148 tdscanuck: ZA003 arrived in Fairbanks, Alaska this morning: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20110215/1500Z/KBFI/PAFA Tom.
149 sunrisevalley: Depending what you mean by "long way". Quote from a recent posting by Aerobnz. Under NZL EDTO rules NZ's 772s are already qualified for EDTO 240 as t
150 N14AZ: I was just asking myself if there are any news about the 787 production but I saw that the 787-production-thread fell into a snow white sleep since n
151 kanban: Matt Cawby reports that Friday "Air conditioning packs were moved to stall 119 for installation on Air India VT-ANB 787 line 26." that could be a sign
152 Rheinbote: Neither have I. It always was 180min out-of-the-box with design provisions for 330min. Air conditioning packs are neither BFE nor 'big ticket items'
153 kanban: don't want to quibble about what constitutes a "big ticket"... However the AC packs arriving now and not having been previously noted as a constraint
154 Stitch: Per All Things 787, the 787 test fleet has performed more than 1,000 flights and will likely cross the 3,000 flight hour tier this weekend.
155 fpetrutiu: Boeing reporting that flight tests required for the RR engined 787's is over 80% complete while the GE one 60%. That sounds like they are on target fi
156 mffoda: Update.... TOTAL 1026 Flights & 3,008 hrs., 05 min. as of today.
157 starrion: So a bit of math shows that Boeing expects to be complete at about 3000 hours for the rolls, and 1000 hours for the GE. That leaves almost exactly 100
158 Gordomatic: I don't think there a 787 Production Thread...JA822 won't be used for testing, IIRC. FYI - 1st JAL 787 FF http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/03/jal-787-ja8
159 Stitch: I think we did have one, but it's rolled off into the archives so might as well just use this one.
160 JoeCanuck: 4000 hours in the air...damn that's good news. I can hardly wait until this plane is just another boring number at the world's airports. This really i
161 tdscanuck: That also bodes well for a Q3 delivery...maybe this is the schedule that will stick. Tom.
162 JoeCanuck: I am also heartened by how quickly the last big problem, (power panels), seems to have been solved. It is getting difficult to temper enthusiasm with
164 SCL767: It is extremely exciting and exhilarating. I can't wait to see the B-787-816 in LA's colors at SCL and finally fly on the B-787-816 hopefully by Q4!
166 N14AZ: Thanks for the pic! I assume they will change the livery of the tail fin before delivery, right?
167 Gordomatic: Hmmm, interesting. I didn't even think about it. The crane is back, right? JAL New Livery? (by staralliance38 Feb 27 2011 in Civil Aviation)? I don't
168 United787: Not just you! I think this is a big milestone since it is the first 787 to fly that won't be used for testing. I would love to see them make all of t
169 NYC777: ZA101 and ZA102 have interiors installed and perhaps ZA100.
170 Gordomatic: I guess interiors will done in San Antonio - at either Lackland AFB and/or at the former Kelly AFB. I read Boeing will begin ferrying 787s sometime th
171 Ronaldo747: Only two days after first flight ZA177 (LN23) will be heading to Lackland AFB today for re-work. http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE177 It's awe
172 gregarious119: Looks like they may've had trouble? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE177 Supposed to head off to San Antonio and diverted right back to PAE. Anyo
173 Newark727: Anyone know what the deal is with this? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE3 Seems they sent one to San Bernardino. Seeing as this is the closest a
174 Gordomatic: Same aircraft appears to be heading out & around Catalina right now. KSBD -> KSBD. -Gordon
175 NYC777: Nope all interior installation will be done in Everett. Only change incorporation and rework will be done in San Antonio then the airplane is flown b
176 Gordomatic: Thanks for the correction. That makes sense - and really was the plan all along. Interesting how the earlier projection for 6(?) aircraft to be rewor
177 JoeCanuck: Indeed...it's almost as if they are getting serious about producing the darned thing.
178 rj777: With all these airplanes sitting around, it seems like they could deliver them all simultaneously!
179 Gordomatic: Heh heh...No doubt. My day just got better. I FINALLY saw a 787 in the flesh. OK well, I saw the lights - it was dark. But seriously, you can not mis
180 tdscanuck: At the time you wrote this, it was actually on the way: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20110304/1600Z/KPAE/KSKF They arrived about
181 MCIGuy: The original plan called for delivering ZAs 001-006 to customers, before they became unsaleable. They were going to be sent to San Antonio for refurb
182 Stitch: That is what struck me - how quiet it is. Much like the A380. And the Trent 1000 makes a unique sound. Like nothing I have ever heard. The GEnx sound
183 dynamicsguy: Only airplanes 1-3 won't be delivered, for now at least. The original plan was for more than just the first 6 to go to San Antonio. It was somewhere
184 ER757: A good point about the LED strobes - you're right, make the plane instantly identifiable at night. Living in the Seattle area and along one of the fl
185 tarheelwings: Speaking of original plans, when Boeing started flight testing they said they would need approximately 3300 hours to reach certification, as of today
186 Stitch: Per Boeing, they have completed over 80% of the flight-tests on the Trent 1000 configuration and over 60% on the GEnx configuration.
187 hannahpa: Last I heard was 4000 hours, which means as of today they are 79% complete. That's only what I have heard; I could be wrong though.
188 boeingbus: Check out: http://787flighttest.com/ Scoreboard TOTAL 1070 3,112 hrs., 25 min. Airplane Flights Hours ZA001 350 927 hrs., 45 min. ZA002 206 615 hrs.,
189 starrion: They're running about 300 hours a month in testing, so they should have all the flight testing done by about june. That gives them July and August to
190 United787: All for NH, have we seen any photos? Do we know what the configuration is? Also, what is ZA005 doing in Kona, HI?
191 kanban: wet weather tests? we've only 16 inches of rain here since March 1...
192 tarheelwings: Would this have anything to do with ETOPS testing?
193 Pohakuloa: could be. KOA is also pretty hot and humid year round, so it could be a combination there of.
195 kanban: Well what were you doing (generically and don't say "flight testing"). I know that since Jim Blue retired you weren't there because someone on the te
196 catdaddy63: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE4 ZA004 was back in the air today, does she have the package "B" Trents installed?
197 Stitch: Per All Things 787, this is planned to happen between March 18th and April 6th.
198 regliner: We were there for dry air climb checks
199 kanban: well you could not have done those in Seattle this month.. I'm showing 17 inches of rain now since Mar1 and 90% humidity between storms.
200 StressedOut: Attention all spotters in and around Cheyenne, WY the 787 is headed this way at this moment for flight testing here in Cheyenne.
201 trigged: Saw pictures of it on the Cheyenne Facebook site! Absolutely awesome!!
202 ER757: Did anyone hear anything about a lightning strike recently on one of the test aircraft? I was speaking to someone who works at a charter company who B
203 BEG2IAH: I was lucky to be on board ZA003 last November and asked the test engineer if any test 787s were ever hit by a lightning. He said it did happen and e
204 kanban: does anyone have a schedule for engine installation for all the planes on the field... one would think there would be some activity soon.
205 Stitch: ZA004 is supposed to receive Package B Trents in April as the 787 program moves from certification tests and on to functionality and reliability test
206 MCIGuy: Minor milestone: A 787 has now flown for over 1000 hours. ZA001 now has 1002 hours on the frame.
207 clemsonaj: Is ZA006 in Charleston? Boeing filed a plan that has it originating in CHS, headed to Lackland. Was just there yesterday and would have stopped had I
208 justloveplanes: Maybe they were referring to the panel fire and this was a misinterpretation.
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