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AF Comes To Cambodia After 35 Years  
User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

According to www.airlineroute.net Air France will introduce service to Phnom Penh after 35 tears of suspension. Initally A343 will operate later switiching to B772. Nice to see Cambodia getting its first long haul service. The article doesn't mention whether AF will have traffic rights between BKK and PNH.

http://airlineroute.net/2010/10/21/af-pnh-s11/#more-26231

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11548 times:

Quoting kevin (Thread starter):
The article doesn't mention whether AF will have traffic rights between BKK and PNH.

Traffic rights are available for these tags and the BKK PNH BKK sectors are already available for booking.


User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11267 times:

Press release:

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...h-nouvelle-destination/?no_cache=1



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User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11124 times:

That's why I am proud of AF! Maybe the airline and CDG are not perfect, but at least, AF has never been conservative with its network by covering a huge range of destinations and has never been afraid to develop new "original" and "remote" markets in many regions (in the Carribean, in Africa i.e Equatorial Guinea (Malabo and Bata), Port-Harcourt, Pointe-Noire in Congo, in few days Port-Gentil in Gabon, Freetown in Sierra Leone, Monrovia in Liberia, in the past in Latam and in the Pacific etc.)
DL has also such spirit now, as being since Pan Am a precursor to serve again Africa from the US.
Congratulations to AF and Cambodia! This amazing country which has suffered a lot, deserves this direct flight to Europe.


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11076 times:

Would hate to see what the visa on arrival queues will be like after a widebody arrival. I've only ever arrived there on a B734 or A320 and it can be bad enough then. Hopefully they will push the e-visa a lot more.

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10987 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
Traffic rights are available for these tags and the BKK PNH BKK sectors are already available for booking.

I'm surprised that AF routes it through BKK as it is not a SkyTeam hub and it reduces opportunities for connections. Although one can always come into BKK using KL or KE and connect, if needed.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

1-3-5-- CDG. 19h30 ---> BKK. 11h50 / 13h20 ---> PNH. 19h30 AF274 A343

-2-4-6-- PNH. 20h15 ---> BKK. 21h30 / 22h55 ---> CDG. 06h10 AF273 A343




This flight will be operated with newly configured B772ER (J/W/Y) starting May/June 2011.

[Edited 2010-10-21 08:15:15]

User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10621 times:

Wow that's great news! I'm in Cambodia again this year and what a sight it would be to see an AF A343 lifting off! May even have to use it PHN-BKK. Well done to airfrance and Cambodia as a whole.


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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9583 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):

45 Minutes turnaround in PNH only?!?


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9200 times:

This is certainly good news and is shows that the economy of Cambodia is growing. It is good to see Air France grow in it's destinations and not resend routs and codeshare like many other airlines.


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User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 456 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 8):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):

45 Minutes turnaround in PNH only?!?

It doesn't take 6 hours to fly from BKK - PNH

Flight schedules between Paris and Phnom Penh
Paris-CDG / Phnom Penh
AF 274, on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays
Departing at 19:30, and arriving in Bangkok at 11:50, the following day,
Departing for Phnom Penh the same day at 13:20, arriving at 14.35

Phnom Penh / Paris-CDG
AF 273, on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays
Departing at 20:15, and arriving in Bangkok at 21:30
Departing for Paris the same day at 22:55, and arriving at 06:10, the following day.

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...h-nouvelle-destination/?no_cache=1

The aircraft will spend 6 hours in PNH and then fly back to BKK.

It's good to see Cambodia getting a service like this, it may not be a direct link to Europe but its a start. I was there 2 years ago myself and the airport is really new compared to the rest of the city, I had a flight to Ho Chi Minh on a Saturday and the airport seemed empty at the time.

Grimey


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

Now Air France , way to go to Vientiane !

User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

I suppose this new service is to counter the soon to be terminated tag-on flights to HAN and SGN from BKK. HAN is going to be terminated (and AF will code share with VN on the route) on 30 October 2010, while SGN will be served non stop from CDG beginning 3 November 2010.

Following the same pattern, since this new service is going to be only 3 weekly, will AF introduce another tag-on flight from BKK (with a 4 weekly frequency like they did with HAN and SGN)? If they do, what another new destination will it be? KUL perhaps?


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 12):
If they do, what another new destination will it be? KUL perhaps?

If AF is to fly back to KUL, it will be nonstop or nothing I believe.

In th 80s, AF was the very 1st European Carrier to get back to SGN after the collapse of South Vietnam.


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8241 times:

I always thought that Cambodia would be able to sustain a direct flight to Europe, although I hoped that I might have been on a Cambodian Airline!


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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8111 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 13):
If AF is to fly back to KUL, it will be nonstop or nothing I believe.

I guess it's about time AF ends its long standing 'cold treatment' towards Malaysia (with the epic resistance towards MH's entrance into Skyteam being the major stumbling block) starting with a 4 weekly flights to KUL via BKK. KUL handled 30 million passengers in 2009 but is currently being served by only 2 European airlines - KL (daily B77W/B772 from AMS which then continues on to CGK) and LH (4 weekly B744 from FRA via BKK). Passengers traffic's growth in KUL for 2010 so far stood at 20%.

[Edited 2010-10-21 13:24:21]

User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8111 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 14):

Hmm as good as that would be i would think thats a good few years off yet unfortunately! Arnt VN backing a new Cambodian start-up? How is that coming along?



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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 15):
guess it's about time AF ends its long standing 'cold treatment' towards Malaysia

Agreed, but the norm on such a route as CDG-KUL would be at least 5 flights a wee, nonstop, with a 772...


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7746 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
1-3-5-- CDG. 19h30 ---> BKK. 11h50 / 13h20 ---> PNH. 19h30 AF274 A343
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 8):
45 Minutes turnaround in PNH only?!?

Sorry for the typo ...

Correct schedule is :

1-3-5-- CDG. 19h30 ---> BKK. 11h50 / 13h20 ---> PNH. 14h35 AF274 (A343)

-2-4-6-- PNH. 20h15 ---> BKK. 21h30 / 22h55 ---> CDG. 06h10 AF273 (A343)


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1849 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7370 times:

This is really great news    and, in fact, I "predicted" it   last april in a thread started by FlySSC announcing the new non-stop flights to Vietnam and the BKK terminator flights (see post #2 of the following thread).
AF To Resume CDG-SGN Nonstop Winter 2010 (by FlySSC Apr 3 2010 in Civil Aviation)

For a tag for the 4 other days of the week, if this happens, KUL is the most likely IMO but of course it all depends if MH joins finally Skyteam or not. VTE could be nice also, but I think the market is way too small and too low yield, or max 2 to 3 times a week
Too bad, I'm going to PNH in january on AF & PG via BKK, so before the start of this new flight   , although flying PG is never a bad moment.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1640 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6929 times:

With the long ground sit in Cambodia, what of the crew operating the tag on? Surely the CDG originating crew will layover in BKK after the flight from Paris, so with the new set of crew joining in Bangkok, will they layover in PNH or will they just have a really long sit in Cambodia (which I'd imagine wouldn't be fun at all). That said, this will be a long pattern for the AF crews that operate it!

Incidentally, does AF have a BKK crew base? If they did I suppose this would make crewing these flights a hell of a lot easier...



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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6364 times:
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Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 20):
With the long ground sit in Cambodia, what of the crew operating the tag on? Surely the CDG originating crew will layover in BKK after the flight from Paris, so with the new set of crew joining in Bangkok, will they layover in PNH or will they just have a really long sit in Cambodia (which I'd imagine wouldn't be fun at all). That said, this will be a long pattern for the AF crews that operate it!

Incidentally, does AF have a BKK crew base? If they did I suppose this would make crewing these flights a hell of a lot easier...

Ia Orana !

It would most probably be the same as when the AF crew do the SGN and HAN and MNL in those days. We used to stay onboard and rest and watch movies in Business Class. When I did my flights to SGN both from BKK and SIN I went in the terminal and had a walk in the shops.

Also I am very happy to see that AF is opening new routes left and right ! Expansion is a good sign !

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



Ia Maitai to tatou tere !
User currently offlineRoyalOrchid773 From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

Does that mean AF will terminate its codeshare agreement with PG on the BKK-PNH route as PG's departure time is almost at the same time as AF flights?

> PG933 BKK-PNH 13.30-14.40
> PG936 PNH-BKK 20.00-21.10

thanks  


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 20):
Incidentally, does AF have a BKK crew base? If they did I suppose this would make crewing these flights a hell of a lot easier...

The only AF Crew base beside CDG are PPT & PTP (for the local Caribbean Network).
AF has no other Crew base in the world.
The Crew Base of NOU (ex-UT) was closed already several years ago when flights were transferred to Air Calin.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 20):
With the long ground sit in Cambodia, what of the crew operating the tag on? Surely the CDG originating crew will layover in BKK after the flight from Paris, so with the new set of crew joining in Bangkok, will they layover in PNH or will they just have a really long sit in Cambodia (which I'd imagine wouldn't be fun at all). That said, this will be a long pattern for the AF crews that operate it!

The Crew will not stay in PNH. They will do :

DAY 1 : Depart CDG
DAY 2 : Arrive BKK
DAY 3 : BKK
DAY 4 : BKK-PNH-BKK
DAY 5 : BKK
DAY 6 : Depart BKK
DAY 7 : Arrive CDG


User currently offlinesscaf001 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 23):
The Crew will not stay in PNH. They will do :

As it was in the past for some routes such as CDG-IAH-MEX.

Do you know if is the case for CDG-LOS-PHC ?


25 grimey : Holy s*!t that is some time away from home for just 1 number return trip even though they are doing an extra short haul in between. Grimey
26 FlySSC : Crew is doing : Day 1 : CDG --> LOS ---> PHC Day 2 : Depart PHC ---> LOS ---> Day 3 : arrives CDG
27 MAS777 : Apart from the mentioned CDG-BKK-KUL route discussed - If AF really wanted to return to KUL - they could theoretically also do CDG-SGN-KUL but i think
28 SR4ever : Never say never. On the one hand, AF has to ensure that yields remain at an acceptable level, but on th other hand, more capacity on offer through ne
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