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New Zealand Aviation Thread #86  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19186 times:
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Welcome to the #86th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread, In thread #85 New Zealand Aviation Thread #85 (by NZ1 Oct 11 2010 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- JQ agent arrested for assalt
- More NZ 'wish lists'
- NZ introduces 'Ricco' for its new B77W adverts on youtube.
- Is NZ considering a MAN service?
- Is NZ considering adding extra long haul lift? Ex SQ B772s?
- NZ/DJ commit to maintaining/adding extra services on routes affected by their codeshare
- Rob Fyfe announced CEO of the year for Asia Pacific region
- NZ announces suspension of TBU-APW-LAX services effective January 2011
- NZs TIU-WLG-TIU routes - upgrade to Q300s?
- B77W ZK-OKM - first picture

That was the round up of thread #85 so enjoy #86

Edit: Link to thread #85 wasn't working

[Edited 2010-10-23 17:16:53]

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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2246 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19058 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
B77W ZK-OKM - first picture

I have to admit that the fuselage does look rather plain without the Pacific Wave on it.

NZ1


User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19030 times:

ZK-OKM needs some more colour on it, its too white, ! won't it get dirty a lot quicker? and it means a lot more time in the hanger being cleaned!


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6395 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18980 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 2):
won't it get dirty a lot quicker?

Well to be honest, the other aircraft don't seem too dirty whenever I see them and there are only a couple of strips that make the difference between that and the 744.. Plus, you're not going to notice a slightly dirty white plane from far away as you would with a different colour like dark blue, similar to what you notice between colours on cars.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24974 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18977 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 1):
I have to admit that the fuselage does look rather plain without the Pacific Wave on it.

I agree. Is this it, or can the wave be applied later as a decal?

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6395 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18972 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 4):

Is someone going to plan a petition to NZ or something? 

Oh well, at least we all know the interior will look great. Lets hope it doesn't stay in its current form for tooooooo much longer...



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24974 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18961 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
Is someone going to plan a petition to NZ or something? 

LOL.

I'm always a bit wary of jumping to conclusions about things like this - maybe they're planning some other thing. Was the "Lord of the Rings" a decal - a very big decal?

mariner



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12400 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18941 times:

It will look great when it finally enters service. Has NZ announced what configuration the aircraft will have when it enters service?

What line number did it have?


User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18939 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 4):
I agree. Is this it, or can the wave be applied later as a decal?
Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Was the "Lord of the Rings" a decal - a very big decal?

My undertstanding was that the wave was painted on when fresh from the factory and then decals when the aircraft were getting repainted.

and the LOTR were big decals


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7126 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18904 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
It will look great when it finally enters service. Has NZ announced what configuration the aircraft will have when it enters service?

yep - it's on the website...


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18903 times:

Guys, here is the first 777-300ER for Air New Zealand! Enjoy !  
NZ's first 77W



Keep flying, because the sky is no limit!
User currently offlinemattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18874 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 10):
Guys, here is the first 777-300ER for Air New Zealand! Enjoy

Why did you cut the watermark off my picture?



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 18749 times:

Have we got some updates on the NZ A320 delivery schedule in 2011?

User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 18738 times:

Quoting mattcawby (Reply 11):
Why did you cut the watermark off my picture?



I did not cut it :/
I just took it up from facebook and put it in here.
Sorry!



Keep flying, because the sky is no limit!
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 18705 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
I'm always a bit wary of jumping to conclusions about things like this - maybe they're planning some other thing. Was the "Lord of the Rings" a decal - a very big decal?

Decals was my recollection. I just hope they don't plaster Hobbits all over it later. Turkish have used a grey stylised Tulip on the rear fuselage. Perhaps something similar would work for Air NZ.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
What line number did it have?

Appears to be L/N 902.

http://www.777fleetpage.com/777fleetpage8.htm

PA515

[Edited 2010-10-24 06:20:04]

User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 18445 times:

think the 1st brand new A320 is due in Feb wearing the 'all blacks'' colours. they seem to go mad either they get a plane thats all white or a plane thats all black. hahaha


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2716 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18372 times:

Quoting mattcawby (Reply 11):
Why did you cut the watermark off my picture?

There is another copy of it here. With watermark.

http://paineairport.com/kpae3231.htm



Flown 905,468 kms or 2.356 times to the moon, 1296 hrs, Longest flight 10,524 kms
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18247 times:

Just reading the airline quality website and it seems that a couple of the latest flight reviews aern't the greatest. What got me was a customer posting about the new TT product (4 choices thing) and saying it now no longer made NZ the legacy carrier it used to be etc... Has anyone heard many other reviews about the new scheme from passengers or in general?

I'll leave my opinion out of this at this stage, just curious what the people that booked and flew the new scheme actualy think.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 18157 times:

Someone on SQTalk says the SIN-AKL-SIN 77W and 77E flights will be replaced with an A380 from Northern Winter 2011. On present schedules that would have EK and SQ A380's in AKL at the same time. AIAL has said the new pier can take two A380's at a time.

PA515


User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6395 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 18153 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):
Someone on SQTalk says the SIN-AKL-SIN 77W and 77E flights will be replaced with an A380 from Northern Winter 2011. On present schedules that would have EK and SQ A380's in AKL at the same time. AIAL has said the new pier can take two A380's at a time.

Wouldn't that be a sight to see! Well knowing how delayed EK 412 can be, SQ 286 can sometimes be out of AKL by the time it arrives. But bad news for those who like the night flight to SIN so they can have a full day in Singapore without having to pay for an extra night's accommodation. Sounds like it could delay any upgrade of EK406/434 to an A380 if there's any slight clash in times.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineash185 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 18131 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):
Someone on SQTalk says the SIN-AKL-SIN 77W and 77E flights will be replaced with an A380 from Northern Winter 2011. On present schedules that would have EK and SQ A380's in AKL at the same time. AIAL has said the new pier can take two A380's at a time.

Would be great but It might not happen because SQ282 leaves after 1am and offers connections from SIN that doesnt require the long wait that would be required flying on SQ286 after 1pm. I think if it does happen it the A380 will just replace the 77W and the 772 will continue the second flight, but its a whole year away so its a wait and see.

Does anyone know what the loads like at the moment particularly on SQ286? I havent been on SQ in ages, but everytime I went it was full in all three classes when the 744 was used on the route. There must be some shortage of capacity right since i think the 77W holds 297 pax, whereas the 774 had a lot more capacity and was always packed.

[Edited 2010-10-25 04:33:17]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18121 times:
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):

Never thought an airline would offer all their daily (except NZ if they ever do order it) AKL flights as A380s. Is the Northern winter from January 2011 or December 2011?

Could understand during the RWC but never daily


User currently offlineash185 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18107 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):

Never thought an airline would offer all their daily (except NZ if they ever do order it) AKL flights as A380s. Is the Northern winter from January 2011 or December 2011?

Could understand during the RWC but never daily

The post just says northern winter 2011, here the link: http://www.sqtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10239&page=3
I think it would probably be DEC 2011 just because JAN 2011 is a bit too soon really and it would have been better to do so around Nov-Dec


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7126 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18066 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):
Someone on SQTalk says the SIN-AKL-SIN 77W and 77E flights will be replaced with an A380 from Northern Winter 2011

It has been on the cards for a while. SQ merged flights for CDG & ZRH into a 388 so it was only a matter of time.

Quoting ash185 (Reply 22):
I think it would probably be DEC 2011 just because JAN 2011 is a bit too soon really and it would have been better to do so around Nov-Dec

No rumblings from the engineers yet, so it's not really possible until late next year. Usually they're first to know cos they require type training.. I think SQ would need a few more aircraft delivered first too.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):
AIAL has said the new pier can take two A380's at a time.

Technically it could have 4 potential A380s at any one time .... With a 388 capable layover spare(see below answer to explain)

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Sounds like it could delay any upgrade of EK406/434 to an A380 if there's any slight clash in times.

Not necessarily. EK often is required to tow the A380 off from Gate 15/16 (388 terminal gates) so that the gate can be vacant for mid-afternoon hub arrivals/dep by NZ/QF/DJ/EK/JQ. The aircraft tows off to Layover 17 (and 18/19 are also 388 capable hard stands). EK406/407 and EK434/35 also currently tow off their respective gates to layovers due to their extended turn times so they don't occupy a gate at peak times. I'm sure EK would have minor adjustments to the schedule if it meant they could drop another A380 (or two) in

Technically gate allocation could work something like this....(I've touched up a few times to suit)

1115-1315 SQ G15 turnaround
1250-1350 EK413 arr G16---->tow off to L17
1350-1715 EK406/7 arr G15 turnaround
1435-1815 EK434/5 arr G16
1730-1900 EK412 tow G15



On a related note, A6-EDM operated to AKL today - that was only delivered last month. It has been to AKL several times already.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7126 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18059 times:

Also keep in mind that SQ would likely completely re-time their schedule to suit system-wide A380 services due to only having a fleet of 11 (soon 13) to operate SYD/MEL/LHR/ZRH/CDG/HKG/NRT and AKL.

SQ has a far greater scope for schedule change than EK... They could retime to a night time flight like SQ282, or an early morning flight a la the original timing of SQ282 or they could push it back to a mid afternoon departure.


25 BlackLabel : I hope not, the choice of the two SQ flights is very useful for me and most of my colleagues who are regular pax on the SIN flights. I often need to
26 Post contains images aerokiwi : My work finds that too - both for our travel and guests from abroad. The frequency is extremely useful and I doubt SQ would give up on that advantage
27 NZ107 : Yeah, it'll need a little tweak. I guess I can never see that far from landside or stay at the airport long enough to see EK 412/3 come and go on the
28 ash185 : It would be cool to see that happen but I think we have seen the last of NZ at SIN, they dont even codeshare with SQ anymore. I would like to see EK
29 NZ107 : Well, not really that much switching.. AKL was only served by EK418/9 for the extra capacity the 77W brought and instead of sending the 77W to CHC, i
30 ash185 : True that. I would still prefer to do a one-stop on EK to SIN than direct flying on SQ which is weird. SQ is way better than EK but for some reason i
31 Post contains images NZ107 : Nobody operates the 774. Oh, if you were meaning other aircraft, CX are going back to operating the 744 again on CX107/8 over summer..
32 ash185 : lol my bad i meant 744. It would be cool just to more 4 engine aircraft at AKL like the A345, A346, and 744.
33 ZK-NBT : Why might I ask? SQ are unlikely to use a mix of 77W and A380 on the same flight due to the difference in Suites and First. It will be one ir the oth
34 aerorobnz : SQ aircraft at AKL use NZ engineering... As you say passenger services is handled by menzies..
35 Post contains links 777ER : Rob Fyfe talks about 'Ricco' http://simpliflying.com/2010/exclusi...d-mascot-with-an-edgy-personality/
36 alangirvan : 774 could be a brilliant prediction by you - the 777 NG perhaps? This is the month that EK asked Boeing to tell them if a 777 with improved payload m
37 zkojh : and hopefully by 2017 we have a second runway at AKL!! any more news from the jetstar camp yet on other services within new zealand, i.e ROT, IVC, DUD
38 Post contains images aerorobnz : hahahahaha what a sense of humour you have...
39 Post contains links NZ107 : The 77W safety video has been released. Starring Rico of course. It's cringeworthy stuff if you ask me! http://www.youtube.com/airnewzealand In a way,
40 ash185 : Man you gotta love the team at AIR NZ!! Rico is just too funny! I wonder if this will actually be used as the actual safety vid as Air NZ have said th
41 aerorobnz : the second 77W is almost out of the shed as well...
42 NZdsgnr : It is a very disappointing video, especially after the bare essential and rugby ones, and yes i did cringe, but mostly from seeing the first male FA
43 Post contains links kiwiandrew : Wonder if this will cause heart failure for one of our regular posters http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/road-...growth-chinese-mice-market/5/69239 ....A
44 zkojh : oh here we go , another play at the china market... at the moment they got 7 flights per week, so which one gets the lucky increase. I would have to g
45 PA515 : That suggests the 744's will go on AKL-PVG/PEK. There aren't enough 77E's for extra frequency and PEK slots are hard to get. PA515
46 NZ1 : 744's definitely are not planned for China. NZ1
47 DavidByrne : Rumour on the Australian thread that QF will drop SFO in favour of DFW, using their 744ERs. If that's the case, I predict that NZ's AKL-SFO will stay
48 xiaotung : Shanghai based crew are not trained to operate on a 744 so they can't. I think capacity increase means frequency increase.
49 777ER : I'm certain someonee here said that AKL-SFO is being changed to B744s. Maybe the spare B772s will go to China?
50 Post contains images PA515 : Thanks. That narrows it down a bit more. PA515
51 zkojh : would the 763W make PVG? since the pacific islands are getting the chop, shift the 763 accross to the asia market?
52 kiwiandrew : As far as I was aware all that is getting the chop is a single weekly AKL-TBU-APW-LAX return flight , so that doesn't free up a whole lot of capacity
53 zkojh : Air New Zealand in January 2011 is to operate Boeing 767-300ER aircraft on Auckland – Noumea on selected dates. The 767 service is replacing A320 on
54 aerorobnz : Should have the range to do AKL-PVG. Whether or not it'd have the payload/cargo space is another thing... I'm sure the Business class wouldn't be tha
55 KiwiRob : Surprising since the kiwifruit is native to China.
56 NZ107 : But remember the name Kiwifruit was a marketing move by NZ. Maybe if it was called the Chinese Gooseberry, it could prosper but the whole point would
57 777ER : If thats the case then why use a B763 only twice?
58 aerorobnz : true - I read it as a schedule change...likely just high season...possibly in line with the jazz festival thing they have up there every year /school
59 Post contains links 777ER : NZ are looking for a man who made an in-flight call on his phone from CHC-HLZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...ch-for-man-who-made-in-flight-cal
60 v2fix : From another thread : -------------------------- BA ordered six 77Ws of which G-STBC is the third. The order was negotiated to compensate for the late
61 TravellerPlus : Telecom is also tracking this guy down. They want to know how he got cellphone coverage south of Taupo...
62 Post contains links NZ107 : Just what we've been waiting for! Air Asia X announces new CHC-KUL service Well it was either AKL or CHC, I guess CHC seemed logical as there wouldn't
63 777ER : HAHA, thanks for the good laugh!!! Nice to see the route offically announced at long last!
64 zkojh : how will NZ respond to the tax increase ex LHR from the 1st of Novemeber, I've just tried to do a booking for next May and gave up when I saw the amou
65 zkojh : From 31OCT10, Shanghai Airlines terminates its membership with Star Alliance, as the airline is realigning operation after the merger with parent Chin
66 Post contains links PA515 : Some clarification: YQ - Fuel Surcharge GBP218.00 This goes to the airline and is really part of the fare. XA - U.S. Animal and Plant Health Inspecti
67 PA515 : Regarding the possibility of two Air NZ 744's being retained beyond 2012. I understand there are four alternatives being considered to address a capac
68 Post contains links ash185 : Yep definitely direct flights between Kuala Lumpur and Christchurch starting around March 2011, with 4 return services per week. http://www.stuff.co.
69 gemuser : Ok, it's a direct flight, but is it a non stop flight? Gemuser
70 NZ107 : No mention of OOL, I suppose you'd leave it out if it were a non-stop flight or it might get people interested about the prospects in also flying to
71 zkojh : well done to CHC, just love how the media say '' AirAsia X flies Airbus A330-300, A340-300 and A350-900 aircraft!! really did not know the aircraft ha
72 xiaotung : CA only operates limited number of flights out of PVG as its main hub is PEK. I suspect most PVG pax are O&D anyway. However nothing has stopped Q
73 NZ107 : Don't forget that they can also fly via HKG.. Plenty of frequencies to places from there too.
74 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Another link on the CHC D7 announcement.. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/region...-links-south-island-by-air-to-asia LOL. I've never heard a company ta
75 alangirvan : According to some other threads Air Asia X is keen to fly to Paris. If they get their hands on a couple of A340-300s, they could introduce CHC-KUL-ORY
76 koruman : UK departure tax is now so high that Air NZ should consider copying BA1/2 and route NZ1 via Shannon to allow passengers to pre-clear US customs and im
77 kiwiandrew : Based on my understanding of how the ADP works If the pax were ticketed LHR-LAX or LHR-AKL then that level of ADP would apply even if the aircraft ma
78 alangirvan : If you travel from London or other UK port to Dubai on EK, you would pay an APD based on that distance. My reading is that you must stay at an interm
79 koruman : The airlines need to find some way around UK APD, because these new levels are absurd. For my part, given that I pay to take my family with me often w
80 koruman : Just reviewing the new UK APD: Passengers stopping in LAX pay £60 tax in Economy, £120 in PPE or BP. Passengers stopping in HKG pay £75 or £150. P
81 777ER : Catching the Eurostar to Paris and flying from Paris will cost more unless you can find a really cheap airfare from Paris then it will cost less comp
82 gemuser : Don't know from NZL but from Oz the logical thing to do would be an "open jaw" ticket routing (say) SYD-SIN-LHR-(off ticket)-FRA(or where ever)-SIN-S
83 koruman : One of the problems that Air NZ has not yet had to contend with is that the 70% of passengers to/from the UK who don't reside in the southeast are alr
84 MillwallSean : This British tax is very high and will strike rather un-proportionally against Oceanic carriers. I compared it to the German tax that's being introduc
85 koruman : Sean, last northern summer I flew into Manchester, Edinburgh and Newcastle and was surprised to find that the BA long haul void had been filled by fli
86 TravellerPlus : The APD is based on the ticketed journey and not the actual journey. If one flies from the UK to Europe on one ticket, then ex Europe on another, the
87 Knid : I agree, people are simply resigned to the fact that they will need to pay tax, if the tax affects all carriers equally its not really the individual
88 planemanofnz : What a smart idea. This actually might become a real possibility if the rumours about EI joining Star Alliance eventuate; EI Regional has many connec
89 alangirvan : If you look at the Earlybird Offers from Singapore Airlines, you will see a range of airfares to European cities, all fairly close together - and tho
90 777ER : Yes I did a Contiki tour in 2008 and totally loved it. Contiki's tours let you depart from Paris. Mostly all NZ booked tickets have you going via LHR
91 zkojh : is this a great time to release a new product then?? will it effect loads up the front that much? lets look for another plan, a,b,c,d,e, ummmmm maybe
92 anstar : Well you CAN avoid LHR but it means not flying NZ. But you still choose to. So what incentive is there for NZ to take that risk and start a new route
93 FlyingSottsman : There is so much ANZ can do with that livery if they realy use their heads. The Pacific wave was a nice touch and broke up the livery a bit. I just d
94 NZdsgnr : they had another livery planned but it was put on hold due to the recession. and I believe that they removed it because they had issues with it, and
95 aerokiwi : I'm in the UK now and it actually led, or was in the top 2 stories of, the news for at least 12 hours (an eternity under the 24 hour news cycle) unti
96 Post contains links pugsley : Air New Zealand has welcomed AirAsia X plans to operate flights from Kuala Lumpur to Christchurch. http://www.travelweekly.com.au/getat...c1-412b-a591
97 zkojh : so rules out NZ flying its own services to KUL now,
98 cchan : KUL-CHC won't be in direct competition with NZ, so why not have the courtesy to welcome them?
99 sunrisevalley : The D7 service at 4x weekly and 70000 passengers a year suggests ~ 175-passengers per flight in and out. Certainly it is not going to be non-stop with
100 nzrich : Also i bet NZ have put in a bid to do their ground handling
101 NZ107 : They would have known long ago that D7 was coming to NZ.. Not only that but I replied to an earlier reply in the last thread that the thought of MH n
102 alangirvan : The new Air Asia X service has been picked up by the Otago Daily Times Regional section today, with a very strange comment from the Chairman of Queens
103 Post contains links NZB : The last days of ZK-NBS. Looks like it's on the final chopping block. Photo's a month old so probably cut up by now. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Un
104 ZKSUJ : Yea I saw that, kinda sad TBH
105 Post contains links and images NZ107 : It deserves more justice than just a link: View Large View MediumPhoto © JayDeeKay
106 CHCalfonzo : All sources so far seem to have sugested a direct service. D7 operates some 230t MTOW A333s I believe which have a range with max pax (according to A
107 timb777 : Another thread has reported that an EK a380 performed a flyover of the Melbourne cup today: Does anyone know how this was timetabled? Does SYD now get
108 zkojh : seems Japan is doing some good at the moment. Just days after Air Asia X come out with CHC then ANZ do this.. In Northern Winter 2010 season effective
109 Haggis73 : EK412-EK413 (SYD-AKL-SYD) was cancelled about 3 weeks ago according to the email that we got from Menzies. I thought it was for maintenance, but obvi
110 timb777 : Ah ha, interesting. I wonder what they did with the pax booked on the AKL-SYD flight. I guess those booked through to DXB would have been put on the
111 777ER : sad day (moment) in New Zealand aviation history Certainly looking forward to their launch fare sale! Already decided if the price is too good to res
112 DavidByrne : Not actually extra services - if you check the schedule, you can see that it's just the "normal" KIX flight put back by 1h 10m on these days . Becaus
113 xiaotung : China Southern didn't eventuate their BNE-AKL plan but China Airlines now have. CI from 1 Jan 11. CI053 TPE2350 – 1035+1BNE1215+1 – 1825+1AKL 333
114 planemanofnz : That's great news! 2011 is going to be a stunner of a year for long-haul aviation in New Zealand with: AKL-BNE-TPE on CI, AKL-SIN on JQ, AKL-HOU on C
115 NZ107 : Probably one of the worst airlines from China/Taiwan that could fly here haha. But an A333 nonetheless. Might have to put that on hold because Boeing
116 zkojh : whats the plan ''if'' Boeing come up with another delay on the 787 - which looks like its going to happen, can NZ keep saying ''oh yea will hold on''
117 Post contains links zkojh : Air New Zealand has signed a one-year agreement, extendable up to five years, for Pratt & Whitney's EcoPower engine wash service, which will help
118 zkojh : the **PINK FLIGHT IS BACK** Air New Zealand’s Annual “Pink Flight” in 2011 is scheduled on 04MAR11. Boeing 767-300ER is operating extra flight o
119 777ER : From a thread about BA announcing its top 5 list of airlines it would like to purchase/merge with I noticed this interesting comment Has NZ purchased
120 Post contains links and images 777ER : Credits to Derek Quinn for taking the picture and letting me use it
121 777ER : Does anyone know if an NZ flight from CHC-WLG on Monday morning was cancelled due to a cracked wind screen?
122 nz1 : Haven't heard about that one Jase. NZ1
123 aerorobnz : NGO I think was the aircraft concerned. I only noticed it in passing so I'm not sure routes etc..
124 777ER : I heard a rumor about a WLG flight being cancelled but hadn't heard anything on here so thought I would ask. Thanks for confirming.
125 Post contains images fxramper : Will NZ roll out special 'The Hobbit' liveries soon on any of their fleet?
126 777ER : Only new liverys coming soon is the All Blacks A320 for the rugby world cup and the long awaited new NZ livery (if it ever happens). Would be interes
127 Post contains images fxramper : I guess they will have to wait for the artwork to officially be released before they can make it happen. Will be exciting to see the Hobbit livery on
128 Post contains images aerokiwi : Minus the hairy mutant feet, I hope
129 b767erwinglets : FJ410 AKL-NAN today apparently encountered bird strike on take off. Anyone got any more news or pics from it? Heard it destroyed the nose cone........
130 aerorobnz : Can't wait to see the pics on monday then... all the interesting stuff never happens on my shift...hahaha
131 777ER : Isn't that really a good thing thou, leave all the extra work for someone else?
132 aerorobnz : An interesting busy day is always better than a quiet day ..lol
133 Post contains links and images NZ5 : ZK-OKM was planned to have first flight today but only went through taxi testing. Click here to see today's video of ZK-OKM Photo credit of course to
134 darenw : WOW great video, thanks for sharing
135 ash185 : Just a question on the latest possible 787 delays and CO. Could this mean that their auckland to houston route be pushed back? Im not sure about the f
136 Post contains images kiwiandrew : There is also the little problem that UA/CO don't have any 772LRs in their fleet
137 Post contains images ash185 : lol true dat, was thinking of DL
138 Post contains links alangirvan : Air Asia X To Launch KUL-ORY 4 X Per Week (by dennys Nov 6 2010 in Civil Aviation) Link shows that AAX will be starting Orly four times weekly on Feb
139 NZ107 : Fingers crossed DL want to come to AKL.. I'd love to see a 764 down here from LAX.
140 alangirvan : Great Circle Mapper shows that IAH-AKL is not such a long distance as some other sectors already operated by CO with 777-200ERs out of EWR to HKG, DE
141 kiwiandrew : Does a 764 have the necessary range ? Looking at the Boeing website and bearing in mind the need to be able to reach an alternate it seems to me that
142 zkojh : great to see on the UA website the link to the ''new zealand'' site again, shame thats its blank when it loads. think UA are concernd about houston, c
143 NZ107 : Just the thought of a 764 from anywhere would be nice.. Even HNL. Nevermind, it looks as though the 764 has less range than the 763.
144 ash185 : Would be cool to just see some US airlines back in NZ...I wouldnt fly on them lol especially when NZ's 77W arrives
145 sunrisevalley : True. At the time I noted a westbound timetable time of 14hr 40m which suggests an ESAD of ~6700nm. However this time has to assume that the 788 has
146 777ER : Even thou flying UA to IAH would be easier for East Coast connections, it wouldn't be easy to book on CO, just hope NZ decide to launch ORD soon.
147 ash185 : Just asking why might it not be easy booking on CO? I wonder if it would prove popular for passenger from Oz making a one-stop in AKL, it beats stopp
148 777ER : Always prefer flying long haul with NZ, but if UA/CO was cheaper or they had a good Y+ product then I would seriously consider them
149 koruman : To be frank, that entirely depends upon the ability to connect on NZ's widebody Tasman services rather than the appalling A320 product. Many of us in
150 777ER : The only time I've past throu SFO was while I was running to make it to NZs AKL flight after arriving on a very delayed UA DEN service and I found SF
151 ash185 : Is it the same as the 767s? Im not a fan of narrowbody aircraft nor do I like travelling on them but surely its not that bad is it??? Would definitel
152 v2fix : Spotted on another thread that AI has 3 777LRs for sale and only 12 K on the clock. Cost : approx 300M US$ What would be the incentive or opportunity
153 Knid : AKL-PER-LHR !!!
154 NZ107 : I thought I've heard on here that any sector over 6 hours and the 77L is more efficient than the 772. Therefore deploying it to anywhere such as YVR
155 aerorobnz : This was discussed on a previous NZ thread when I raised the possibility of fleet capacity increases to cover the 787 delay debacle.. I'd like it if
156 777ER : I'm certain another NZ employee announced that extra B777s are being discussed in HQ to cover the shortfall and to enable new routes to start
157 Post contains links NZ107 : Auckland Airport builds on Asia success strategy MH going 6x weekly AKL-KUL from March but instead of having all flights operating at the usual "Asia
158 aerorobnz : If being the operative word. I expect Air Asia X to take a large chunk of traffic on those days it does operate.
159 NZCH : Hi all, I was just looking at Air New Zealands, Schedules, and tonight, there are 2 flights scheduled for AKL-CHC via WLG. First flight NZ6226 departi
160 NZ107 : Indeed. What I'd be interested in is the number of passengers booking return flights CHC-AKL-CHC who seem to be flying D7. Only then can we more accu
161 aerorobnz : Without knowing for sure I'd say they'd be heading down to CHC to be refitted from 8/144 to Y171. The 'rollout' is in 10 days time. I've been on the
162 NZCH : True, i have heard that the re-fit is being done down here in CHC. But why would the aircraft be going via WLG? NZCH
163 aerorobnz : to get revenue on the way down?? possibly flying AKL-WLG to sub the aircraft that then goes WLG-CHC?? I don't know exactly... I'll try and remember t
164 777ER : I noticed those flights last night. Can't be an A320 doing a domestic as no flights (unless an emergency or VIP) can land/take off at 3.30am. Wonder
165 nz1 : These flights are to re-position A320's due to the delays caused by the storm in SYD last night, and thefact that OJC was U/S all day casing flight c
166 NZCH : Hey NZ1, cheers thankyou for giving me the answer to my question. I couldnt figure out why today's Emirates flight to CHC had been cancelled. but now
167 Post contains links 777ER : An NZ and JQ flight were cancelled this evening due to a threat being made via telephone against a CHC bound flight from AKL http://www.stuff.co.nz/na
168 Post contains links 777ER : Extra Asia flights raise spinoff hopes Extra flights from Asia to New Zealand were announced yesterday, offering yet more routes for tourists to visit
169 Post contains images NZ001 : a bit of topic, but I can't wait to got to NZ in a few weeks. Looking foward to my travel with the fantastic Air New Zealand
170 koruman : NZ001, don't fly on an A320 service or your illusions will be shattered. Don't pay for IFE as it is invisible when the person in front reclines. Don't
171 zkojh : sounds like this single class on the A320's is going to need a rethink by the end of the year??!!
172 zkojh : jetStar from 13DEC10 is adjusting operational schedule on Auckland – Gold Coast route. From Auckland, Thursdays and Sundays departure moves to eveni
173 CHCalfonzo : This is to accommodate JQs new OOL-ZQN and MEL-ZQN flights which begin next month.
174 zkojh : VS are to fly from MAN to SFO, so time to wack another codeshare on the ANZ flight from AKL? so if and when NZ start MAN means we can rule out SFO the
175 777ER : Sounds like you simply got a not so working table seat. the IFE depends on how tall you are Why? If its being done to match the DJ offering for their
176 koruman : The new A320 product doesn't match DJ at all. Their boss John Borghetti has made it crystal clear that no DJ jet will ever operate in an all-economy c
177 NZ001 : lol please don't shatter my illusions. My Dad being a business man has experienced it all - of all the major airliners, SQ, EK, CX .etc. He always sa
178 ZKEOJ : What NZ A320 have you been on? I just got back from APW, and it was a normal flight. Nothing great (and yes, I prefer the B767 as well - we had it on
179 NZ001 : Ye I have seen on NZ website and reviews what they have. Believe me, that is a very good short haul service! Just got back from New York, and flew on
180 koruman : NZ001, Air NZ long-haul is great but the problem is that medium-haul has just been reduced to all-economy 30 inch pitch, whereas previously frequent f
181 ZKSUJ : Hope the flights go well and you post a trip report. I'm not the biggest fan about the whole so called 'cheapening' of the NZ brand with the choose t
182 Post contains images NZ001 : Ye me too. I have been looking forward to flying on NZ Business Premier for a long time. Will do trip report Ye I couldn't agree more, although I am
183 ZKSUJ : PPT, up to HNL and a few japan routes I think. I understand what you mean with BA long haul is not as 'great' etc, but my point is NZ won a few award
184 767er : You will not be disappointed. When are you flying and what route are you taking.? The crews are great, excellant food and booze and the IFE is mind b
185 nz1 : Not sure why they were routed this way, but I know there was a positioning flight to ZQN also later the following day due to OJC going U/S in CHC. Wa
186 KiwiRob : Maybe you should do some short and medium haul flights around Europe before you knock NZ's A320's, my two main airlines are SAS and LH neither has IF
187 NZ6 : I might take back my earlier comments about the new short haul products. I think this may fail in it's current format. How about you do a trip report
188 Post contains links zkojh : The pilot of a plane that crashed on NZ in September, killing nine people including two Australians, tried to pull out of a dive before hitting the gr
189 koruman : I have done lots of flights within western Europe: this year I flew Economy Class on the following flights: Frankfurt - Edinburgh (1034 km) Edinburgh
190 KiwiRob : I've done the following flights this year Frankfurt - Moscow (2048km) St Petersburg - Frankfurt (1748km) London - Baku (4007km) Riga - Baku (2621km)
191 aerorobnz : AKL-KIX at around 11h45min Has anyone except me actually been onboard the Y171 airbus?? While I'm not overly keen on it, I never was overly keen of t
192 koruman : KiwiRob, all Air NZs flights on the Tasman exceed 2100 km: the only longer flights you did were from Europe to Asia (Baku), which is a destination whi
193 KiwiRob : koruman so it's still a flight from Europe on a single aisle airliner where I sat for 3+ hours without IFE in a cramped seat. You expect more than wha
194 Solent : Recently I have travelled LHR - FRA BA 321, FRA -IST-FRA LH 321, and CDG - LHR BA 320, they were all reasonaby squeezy load wise, and no entertainment
195 koruman : My point is simply this: Tasman passengers have a choice: Three carriers offer LCC service, with luggage and food as extras and poor legroom, one of w
196 NZ001 : I am flying on NZ1 on 8th December. I've heard all about this award winning airline from my Dad who is a frequent flyer with them. My Dad has preferr
197 mariner : I would seriously question that number. It suggests a BELF - break even load factor - of 98%. I don't know any airline that is predicated to be profi
198 767er : Koruman might know this one but I don't think there is Star lounge at Cairns. Fairly basic on NZ as the flights are fairly short. Over to you Koruman
199 NZ001 : Ok thanks and also random question, but if I want to have a shower at Koru Lounge AKL, then do I need to book in advance?
200 Post contains links 777ER : This link has all the information and locations of the International koru lounges http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/international-lounge-directory, and
201 Post contains images NZ001 : thanks Not sure what to do this time at LAX because there's a 2 hour stopover and by the time you get through customs you have 10 minutes in Koru Loun
202 767er : It very much depends on whether the NZ flight beat the VS and AF flights into LAX ( all 3 use Terminal 2). Last Sept I flew into LAX on NZ from LHR.
203 NZ001 : hmm I'll take that on board. As a Brit I am not a fan of BA. As a kiwi, are u a fan of your international airline?
204 767er : I am actually Australian and am a huge fan of NZ. It's the only airline I fly Long Haul
205 NZ001 : oh ye forgot to look lol I am greatly impressed with the long haul. Will find out about the short haul in a month
206 koruman : I flew Qantas SYD-BNE yesterday, and it is a good product for a one hour flight. One x 23 kg bag is included, and on board there was a drinks service
207 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #87 (by 777ER Nov 11 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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